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Old 01-17-2011, 01:43 PM   #1
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Hey guys. So i finally got a set of HAT imagine components and was planning on sound deadening the front door. I'm currently not running rear speakers and have 2 jl 12w3s. I was going to use the 25% method and cover around 25-40% of the doors with something like damplifier or dynamat and a layer of foam or some soft. I was looking at luxury liner and ensolite and noticed that ensolite is cheaper. I'm not looking for the quietest car but just looking to make the speakers sound better. Will the luxury liner be so much better than ensolite or should i just go with ensolite?

Edit: I meant cover 25% with something like dynamat or damplifier.
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Old 01-17-2011, 02:20 PM   #2
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Luxury liner is MLV... Ensolite is CCF...

2 COMPLETELY different animals and products..

LL is a blocker, Ensolite is an absorber..

I think you should re-read the SDS site.. 25% coverage is geared mainly towards CLV tiles, where as LL would want as much coverage as possible..
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Old 01-17-2011, 03:03 PM   #3
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To expand on aarons comment ensolite is only an absorber at relatively high frequencies. It's best suited to act as a decoupler between MLV and the other surface. Or you can use it to try and minimize rattles by jamming it between the offending surfaces or as a seal between a driver and it's mounting panel.

LL already has a CCF attached to it whereas SDS you have to buy them separately. I personally prefer them separately just from an ease of install when it comes to overlapping sheets, but that's the only difference between the two companies.
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Old 01-17-2011, 03:40 PM   #4
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Just dynomat the doors, use dynomat and don't look back.
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Old 01-17-2011, 04:10 PM   #5
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Completely different type of noise attenuation. CLD by itself isn't the only thing that should be used, especially if your trying to kill road noise.
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Old 01-17-2011, 04:17 PM   #6
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Just dynomat the doors, use dynomat and don't look back.
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Old 01-17-2011, 04:33 PM   #7
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Just dynomat the doors, use dynomat and don't look back.
once again, showing you know nothing about the topic at hand.
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Old 01-17-2011, 04:38 PM   #8
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Hey guys. So i finally got a set of HAT imagine components and was planning on sound deadening the front door. I'm currently not running rear speakers and have 2 jl 12w3s. I was going to use the 25% method and cover around 25-40% of the doors with something like damplifier or dynamat and a layer of foam or some soft. I was looking at luxury liner and ensolite and noticed that ensolite is cheaper. I'm not looking for the quietest car but just looking to make the speakers sound better. Will the luxury liner be so much better than ensolite or should i just go with ensolite?

Edit: I meant cover 25% with something like dynamat or damplifier.
Aaron & Daishi are 250% correct.

What I like to do if $$ & or materials are tight, is take 4"x4" or 6"x6" squares & do a checkerboard on the backside of the outer door skin, LL on the back side of the outer skin, minimum. Then cover as much of the inner door skin (where the door panel mounts) with one solid layer of Peel-n-stick & CCF on the door panel side. best of all applications. that's what's worked best for me on reducing wind/tire/road noise. Also, random peel-n-stick on the door panel itself, & more CCF on the back of the door panel.

Any attachment point where 2 surfaces meet, CCF between panels where possible.

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Old 01-17-2011, 04:49 PM   #9
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Aaron & Daishi are 250% correct.

Rob
Thanks, although at least one of us went for the 98% coverage, single/double/triple/quad layer CLD/CCF/MLV method...
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well, Aaron, you know me, I do 2 total layers of Peel-n-stick + LL + CCF cuz I am a "retard" & like to "waste" materials... but my cars sound like a Mercedes when I close the door... go figure... <roll eyes>

Its like everything else in a system budget... Alarm, sounds, deadening, battery, wire, upholstery..... hmmm... no mention of a stiffy cap, no mention of crazy foo-foo install items.

just sayin...

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Old 01-17-2011, 05:33 PM   #11
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Well, I think you've seen my car, so I represent most of those remarks..
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well, Aaron, you know me, I do 2 total layers of Peel-n-stick + LL + CCF cuz I am a "retard" & like to "waste" materials... but my cars sound like a Mercedes when I close the door... go figure... <roll eyes>

Its like everything else in a system budget... Alarm, sounds, deadening, battery, wire, upholstery..... hmmm... no mention of a stiffy cap, no mention of crazy foo-foo install items.

just sayin...

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Not retarded...just diminishing returns on a CLD. I say cover every surface with MLV that's possible though!
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Old 01-18-2011, 02:36 AM   #13
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yep.. every layer is mo-betta

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Old 02-14-2013, 08:42 PM   #14
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So instead of starting a new thread I figured I could just add to this one with a few questions.

The other day at work I acquired about 100 sq ft of ensolite from the dumpster. Perfectly good rolls that haven't even been cut up yet. The road noise on my impreza is horrendous and I would like to make the most of what I have to work with. Would it be a total waste to throw in a few layers in the doors and rear cargo floor?

I'm assuming I should put a layer or two of MLV down on the metal and then layer ensolite over it correct? I'm not looking for perfection, just trying to make the most of what I have. Thanks for the help.
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