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Old 02-13-2013, 10:01 PM   #51
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This poor kid is gonna hit the track talking about his 400 horse stock motor and get spanked by a real 400 horse car. Dynojets are ****, period.

If you want to post these new higher dyno charts your gonna need to have stock dyno charts to show the gains because that will not change if a base run and a tuned run is done on the same type dyno.

364/440 is what the numbers should be on a mustang. Your old dyno readings for a stock Sti was 200/200 so now you can see the gains.

I'd go back to the old calibration, there's no point of having a high reading dyno.
Everyone else seems to be using high reading dynos these days... that was the only point of switching. We still post the stock baseline numbers which are converted to the new calibration so everyone can see the exact differences. These are just numbers. The old calibration read like a mustang, the new calibration is 15% higher which reads like a dynojet. Simple as that.

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Old 02-13-2013, 10:02 PM   #52
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I trapped 117mph with my VF39 setup but I don't think my car made anywhere near these numbers. The highest I ever saw on a VD plot was 360whp/440torque.
We'll run a VD plot and post it up for comparison. We have a couple pulls on the road that we can run through it.

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Old 02-13-2013, 10:04 PM   #53
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So a stage 2 with e85 can make 170whp over stock? That just doesn't seem right? I'm confused
If you're talking absolute numbers on this dyno yes. In reality, it can make about 75% more power than stock. Use whatever absolute numbers you'd like .

And I feel like I keep saying this over and over but no one is getting it.

THIS CAR MADE 20WHP MORE THAN WE HAVE EVER SEEN ON A VF ON E85!

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Old 02-13-2013, 10:36 PM   #54
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I never realised e85 was that much of a power adder. Especially on such few parts. That incredible. I think the most I've ever seen e85 add was just around 100whp more. I need to get me some of that. I can jump from 415 to 585 off just fuel
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Old 02-13-2013, 10:42 PM   #55
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This poor kid is gonna hit the track talking about his 400 horse stock motor and get spanked by a real 400 horse car.

Dynojets are ****, period.

If you want to post these new higher dyno charts your gonna need to have stock dyno charts to show the gains because that will not change if a base run and a tuned run is done on the same type dyno.

364/440 is what the numbers should be on a mustang. Your old dyno readings for a stock Sti was 200/200 so now you can see the gains.

I'd go back to the old calibration, there's no point of having a high reading dyno.
These are ignorant statements. It's not the dyno's fault or inaccuracy. People get all hung up on well my Mustang dyno this and that....That's all chest beating BS.

Fact of the matter is Dynojets whether you like it or not are more the auto industry standard than not!

The fact is dyno's are tools to tune cars and not tools to create bragging rights. You want braggin rights and to verify your power, go put down some times, trap speeds and do some heads up racing, street racing etc...!

I want to see ET's and trap speeds from this car, then you can claim it's power level!
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:00 AM   #56
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I personally think 1/4 mile E.T.'s really tell the true story.
Unfortunately this is completely wrong.

ET is more dependent on traction and gearing.

Trap speed is the power/weight indicator.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:05 AM   #57
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These are ignorant statements. It's not the dyno's fault or inaccuracy. People get all hung up on well my Mustang dyno this and that....That's all chest beating BS.

Fact of the matter is Dynojets whether you like it or not are more the auto industry standard than not!

The fact is dyno's are tools to tune cars and not tools to create bragging rights. You want braggin rights and to verify your power, go put down some times, trap speeds and do some heads up racing, street racing etc...!

I want to see ET's and trap speeds from this car, then you can claim it's power level!
If people ever got out of the narrow minded Subaru world and looked around they'd see quite a few things are different in the real world.
I agree with your whole post except again ET is also not a true Indicator of power though it is largely effected by power.
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:06 AM   #58
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These are ignorant statements. It's not the dyno's fault or inaccuracy. People get all hung up on well my Mustang dyno this and that....That's all chest beating BS.

Fact of the matter is Dynojets whether you like it or not are more the auto industry standard than not!

The fact is dyno's are tools to tune cars and not tools to create bragging rights. You want braggin rights and to verify your power, go put down some times, trap speeds and do some heads up racing, street racing etc...!

I want to see ET's and trap speeds from this car, then you can claim it's power level!
That's my point, people need to know the difference. As I mentioned this guy is gonna hit the strip against a real 400+ hp Sti and get smoked.

Numbers mean nothing if there isn't a baseline. There's no reason why EQ changed their calibrations because some pussies don't like how they get treated on the interwebs with lower numbers.

If someone is so sad over their low numbers get tuned by Ed then go to someone with a dynojet such as 034 Motorsport and post those numbers.

I have seen more "enthusiasts" prefer a heart break dyno over one that gives you warm fuzzies by changing a couple of numbers.
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That's my point, people need to know the difference. As I mentioned this guy is gonna hit the strip against a real 400+ hp Sti and get smoked.

Numbers mean nothing if there isn't a baseline. There's no reason why EQ changed their calibrations because some pussies don't like how they get treated on the interwebs with lower numbers.

If someone is so sad over their low numbers get tuned by Ed then go to someone with a dynojet such as 034 Motorsport and post those numbers.

I have seen more "enthusiasts" prefer a heart break dyno over one that gives you warm fuzzies by changing a couple of numbers.
Number hunting is masturbation.
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Old 02-14-2013, 01:06 AM   #60
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dang, my gt30r wasn't even close to those number at 21psi on e85, put down like 410 if i remember correctly! and a gt30 flows a bit more! not that i don't believe but it is hard to...
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:13 AM   #62
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Sounds like fun regardless of the #s. It would be a street killer
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:26 AM   #63
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No doubt the car is gonna be quick! Like I said the dyno graph curves look right for the VF, they are just inflated a bit. I made big power on my VF48 with a Jr tune and these are 60 hp & ft. lbs. of trq higher. I really don't think the numbers are close to reality but it's gotta be quick for shizzle!

I see today that there are more mods added to the list. I think you gotta keep adding things to the list and dial back the correction to make the numbers even close to believable! Your cf looks to be 20-30 hp higher than most dynojets.
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:42 PM   #64
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No doubt the car is gonna be quick! Like I said the dyno graph curves look right for the VF, they are just inflated a bit. I made big power on my VF48 with a Jr tune and these are 60 hp & ft. lbs. of trq higher. I really don't think the numbers are close to reality but it's gotta be quick for shizzle!

I see today that there are more mods added to the list. I think you gotta keep adding things to the list and dial back the correction to make the numbers even close to believable! Your cf looks to be 20-30 hp higher than most dynojets.
The CF is at 1.0. This is how the Dynocom dyno reads out of the box. Again, this car made about 20whp over what we have ever seen before for a similar setup. Please note that we are not claiming any uber special tuning or anything like that... just sharing a car that made numbers that none of us would have ever expected.

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Old 02-14-2013, 03:56 PM   #65
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409WHP is still like 40WHP higher than any other stock turbos I have seen. Most of those have more mods too. I think the 517LB/FT is more shocking to me, especially with no EL header. That's almost 80LB/FT higher than any other car out there.
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Fair enough, if the dynocom at 1.0 cf puts a stock 04-07 sti at 250 whp, that would add 30 whp to my vf48 360 whp= 390 whp. So like you said +20 over anything else you've dyno'd. The 517 ft lbs. of torque is definitely a big number. I made as much as 457 ft lbs. on that hot August day I was tuned.
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Old 02-14-2013, 07:38 PM   #67
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Fair enough, if the dynocom at 1.0 cf puts a stock 04-07 sti at 250 whp, that would add 30 whp to my vf48 360 whp= 390 whp. So like you said +20 over anything else you've dyno'd. The 517 ft lbs. of torque is definitely a big number. I made as much as 457 ft lbs. on that hot August day I was tuned.
This is also one of the highest torque readings I've seen on a similar setup. On the .85CF we used to run it did about 450ft-lbs. I've done that kind of torque before on a VF, but had to run about 25psi to do it.

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This car needs a billet wheel and amr 10cm hot side!!!!!
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:22 AM   #69
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You guys are so held up on dyno numbers and no disscusion on the 18.5psi at redline? That is 3 psi more than I could ever get my vf-43 to hold even when I was playing with the use of a helper spring. I think the turbo has a different wheel or something which would also make sense of the extra power this car is making.
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You guys are so held up on dyno numbers and no disscusion on the 18.5psi at redline? That is 3 psi more than I could ever get my vf-43 to hold even when I was playing with the use of a helper spring. I think the turbo has a different wheel or something which would also make sense of the extra power this car is making.
This car is running an MBC/EWG combo, so i'm sure that has something to do with how much it can physically hold at redline.
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You guys are so held up on dyno numbers and no disscusion on the 18.5psi at redline? That is 3 psi more than I could ever get my vf-43 to hold even when I was playing with the use of a helper spring. I think the turbo has a different wheel or something which would also make sense of the extra power this car is making.
you dont want small turbos to hold more boost at redline....more boost /=/ more airflow all the time.

You have to watch the airflow.....most of the time on small turbos trying to jack up the boost at redline doesnt actually increase the MAF.

If they put a EL header on this car, the airflow would increase and the boost would drop after 5200rpm.
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It's less of a flowing more air and more of a efficiency issue. Once you start blowing hot air you stop making power typically. E85 helps combat this with it's EXTREMLY rich afrs.

As for trap speeds.
My 2.0 on e85 made 335awhp 333awtq trapped 112 (Sti-RA gearbox baning off rev limiter in 4th)
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I could hold between 18-19 psi at 7000rpm with my vf39. That part is pretty realistic.
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Graph has a torque mountain! Nice!

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I also find it funny that no one said a word about the 250whp pump gas TD04 on the same kind of dyno just a couple threads down in this forum.

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My car made 245whp/275wtq with a catted downpipe and stock exhaust a few years ago on a Dyno Dynamics, which reads low to begin with.

Not sure if you saying that is high - or what ?
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Graph has a torque mountain! Nice!



My car made 245whp/275wtq with a catted downpipe and stock exhaust a few years ago on a Dyno Dynamics, which reads low to begin with.

Not sure if you saying that is high - or what ?
250whp on a TD04 on pump gas is pretty damn high. Dyno Dynamics read whatever the operator sets them to read based on the CF. Most DD plots posted on this forum are using a 1.15 or 1.2 CF.

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