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Old 02-15-2013, 05:41 AM   #6476
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No Cold air box?
nah no need really. this will be fine for now.
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:56 AM   #6477
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Just installed the Cobb SF Intake
Sound is AMAZING. 1000% better then stock, I actually have a turbo now! (By sound that is)
Still can't get over how quiet the stock intake sound is. BPV sounds like a MONSTER vent to atmosphere now.
Hmm now I want that Intake lol. But it's too obvious of a warranty denial mod. I think I'll wait til my warranty run out.
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:50 AM   #6478
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Hmm now I want that Intake lol. But it's too obvious of a warranty denial mod. I think I'll wait til my warranty run out.
That's what they all say. Attend a few meets and boom. Tbe intake intercooler on order lol. He's got the mod bug already
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Old 02-15-2013, 09:10 AM   #6479
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yep my boys at wrxatlanta.com are not helping LOL
Well, they are helping, but not to keep from modding

The only way your warranty gets voided from these things is if it's proven to be the REASON a component failed. Now that gets crazy and complicated when the motor blows, and it could have been anythings fault.
This is why you get to know the individuals who approve your warranty claims. Unless it involves the drivetrain or the crankshaft, odds are SOA won't get involved. If it has to do with the AVCS on the heads, or the crank, or the drivetrain (besides the clutch) they will want to inspect before approving the claim.

Everything else is approved locally by your dealers parts / service manager, get to know THAT person really well. Cut their lawn, fix their PC, sell em pot hell I don't know it varies obviously but that is why I am installing parts.

Oh and for the record, THEY ****ed up my intercooler when they installed my heat shield and everything else, THAT is why i'm getting a new intercooler WHICH by the way will be covered under warranty.
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Old 02-15-2013, 09:17 AM   #6480
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That's what they all say. Attend a few meets and boom. Tbe intake intercooler on order lol. He's got the mod bug already
I'm somewhat good at resisting those temptation that costs too much. My engine bay will probably be as stock as it could be lol because if I get that cobb SF Intake I will get it with the cold air box which will cost $300+ so I'll definitely be waiting for awhile.

DS you're somewhat luck out from that whole mess your dealer made. You get to have aftermarket parts with their warranty. Unfortunately when I talked to the Techs at my dealers they did not sound like they were any mod friendly. They said if I install the AP or anything that increase the engine performance it will most likely affect my warranty if my issue is related to the engine. Though I'm thinking about doing Cobb AP OTS Stage 1 map anyway as I can reverse it if need to be.

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Old 02-15-2013, 09:58 AM   #6481
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well just get stuff thats easy to put back to stock if it goes wrong, the cobb AP should be able to just flash back to stock before you take it in. i never understood the whole "wait til warranty runs out" when if you do it with warranty and something happens atleast you have a chance it will be covered. i hydrolocked my motor in my civic because of a CAI, i took the cai off, threw the stock intake back in, and called insurance...boom free motor.
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:19 AM   #6482
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I didn't know there was such a delay in getting 2013 WRX's. I called my dealer because I was interested in checking out a few cars, and he said he has a WR Blue WRX coming in on a truck. He's holding it for me, so I'll probably pick it up tomorrow.

Good timing, I guess.
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:43 AM   #6483
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well just get stuff thats easy to put back to stock if it goes wrong, the cobb AP should be able to just flash back to stock before you take it in. i never understood the whole "wait til warranty runs out" when if you do it with warranty and something happens atleast you have a chance it will be covered. i hydrolocked my motor in my civic because of a CAI, i took the cai off, threw the stock intake back in, and called insurance...boom free motor.
There has been to many discussion on this. It's all personal opion when it comes to whether or not you want to risk the warranty claim denial. There have been people or even self claim "Subaru Technicians", and Cobb Technicians confirming that they can verify the ECU has been reflashed some said there is no way to find out. It's hard to choose what side to believe. I'm somewhat conservative when it comes to warranty so I decided to go with the safer side of just waiting.
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Old 02-15-2013, 10:59 AM   #6484
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For anyone keeping tabs, my revised eta is 2/21. Just what a wanted to hear.. At least SOA is helping me out as much as they can. Ms. Cullen from SOA is a saint. Lol

Ordered 11/10
Estimated arrival 6-8 weeks
VIN - mid January
Revised estimated arrival 12-14 weeks
official eta - 2/11
Revised eta - 2/21

When ill actually get it, who the hell knows.
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Old 02-15-2013, 11:10 AM   #6485
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well just get stuff thats easy to put back to stock if it goes wrong, the cobb AP should be able to just flash back to stock before you take it in. i never understood the whole "wait til warranty runs out" when if you do it with warranty and something happens atleast you have a chance it will be covered. i hydrolocked my motor in my civic because of a CAI, i took the cai off, threw the stock intake back in, and called insurance...boom free motor.
Not everyone wants to commit fraud

And they can tell when an ecu has been reflashed back to stock so returning the tune back to stock is pointless.... and will likely make you look bad to the service manager.
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Old 02-15-2013, 11:10 AM   #6486
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tomorrow will be 11 weeks since ordering my base model STI with foglights

Ordered- 12-1-12
von- 12-1-12

Still no VIN or ETA
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:09 PM   #6487
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well just get stuff thats easy to put back to stock if it goes wrong, the cobb AP should be able to just flash back to stock before you take it in. i never understood the whole "wait til warranty runs out" when if you do it with warranty and something happens atleast you have a chance it will be covered. i hydrolocked my motor in my civic because of a CAI, i took the cai off, threw the stock intake back in, and called insurance...boom free motor.
Good point actually. The chances your engine is going to give you trouble in the first 60k is REALLY slim (why do you think they pick 60k), so you might as well mod it the way you want. And if you blow your engine then it's your fault but yeah there's a slim chance they cover it for you anyway.
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:57 PM   #6488
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Monday will be 7 weeks for me and I just received my VIN. The lady I previously talked to at SOA even called me instead of me having to call her. Great service!

Ordered: 12/31
VON:12/31
VIN: 2/15
ETA: 3/4

The wait just got so much worse

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Old 02-15-2013, 01:19 PM   #6489
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For anyone keeping tabs, my revised eta is 2/21. Just what a wanted to hear.. At least SOA is helping me out as much as they can. Ms. Cullen from SOA is a saint. Lol

Ordered 11/10
Estimated arrival 6-8 weeks
VIN - mid January
Revised estimated arrival 12-14 weeks
official eta - 2/11
Revised eta - 2/21

When ill actually get it, who the hell knows.
Can't wait for you to go pick it up man!
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Old 02-15-2013, 01:26 PM   #6490
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Can't wait for you to go pick it up man!
Oh me too man, me too!
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Old 02-15-2013, 01:31 PM   #6491
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Not everyone wants to commit fraud

And they can tell when an ecu has been reflashed back to stock so returning the tune back to stock is pointless.... and will likely make you look bad to the service manager.
only reason i did it was because i couldnt afford it myself. but hey...thats why we have insurance right?

and i wasnt sure about the COBB AP, i know the hondata flashpro could, so i figured it could too.

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Good point actually. The chances your engine is going to give you trouble in the first 60k is REALLY slim (why do you think they pick 60k), so you might as well mod it the way you want. And if you blow your engine then it's your fault but yeah there's a slim chance they cover it for you anyway.
exactly! and for some stuff i understand but it kills me when people are scared or dont want to risk voiding warranty in putting an exhaust on...lol
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Old 02-15-2013, 02:39 PM   #6492
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Got an email from my dealer today. Pretty awesome since it's only been 3 weeks since I ordered.

Of course, no real "news" but he did mention that he's seen vehicles with an original date of May get moved up to an earlier date. Mine apparently still says June... hopefully that at least bumps to May.
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Old 02-15-2013, 03:56 PM   #6493
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not trying to defend this, so if you don't believe me who cares.

I am an electrical engineer for a living, designing a PCB with IC's, a few ground layers, few voltage layers and some NVRam for storing flashable data is NOT hard.

That gentlemen, is what our Subaru ECU is, or a collection thereof.
Knowing how these components work, what "flashing" really means (in actual electrical terms) and understanding the bootstrap / NVRam flash area like the back of your hand (as the Cobb engineers have) means that you can answer this question accurately.

Therefore I am hereby answering this question accurately:
The dealer can tell you "unplugged your battery" if you flash your ECU, then return it to stock (AP Uninstall) before visiting the dealer for a warranty claim, or any other reason.


There has been talk of a CRCVerify run against the data. This is very feasible, most Subaru employee's don't even know what I just said, muchless what it means, muchless how to do it. On top of that, the CRC's would MATCH the factory .BIN they are comparing against. Hell they could even generate a SHA256 checksum against it it doesn't matter when you uninstall an AP the EXACT SAME 0's AND 1's are flashed back to the NVRAM flashable area that were there before, with the only exception being the temp tables (AF Correction learned, etc) which are populated as you drive.

Guys seriously can we please stop debating this, it's annoying as ****.
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Old 02-15-2013, 03:58 PM   #6494
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If you flash stage 1, blow your engine, uninstall your AP and go in for a warranty claim, they WILL check, and they WILL see you "unplugged your battery" and they WILL ask.

As long as YOU answer correctly (yeah I unplugged my batter, I do that whenever I perform routine maintenance to my vehicle as the engineering manual states to do) there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that they can prove otherwise.

Now back to my beer, happy friday.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:10 PM   #6495
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If you flash stage 1, blow your engine, uninstall your AP and go in for a warranty claim, they WILL check, and they WILL see you "unplugged your battery" and they WILL ask.

As long as YOU answer correctly (yeah I unplugged my batter, I do that whenever I perform routine maintenance to my vehicle as the engineering manual states to do) there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that they can prove otherwise.

Now back to my beer, happy friday.
Who woulda know the muscle heads actually know his sh@t? hahahah. Good read man. As a mechanical engineer with some background in pcp design I can see your logic. People should realize it's their car and they should choose what they want to do to it. Although all your actions will bear responsibilities and you'll have to decide whether you want to accept those responsibilities. Once you temper with your drivetrain Subaru HAS all the right to deny you of warranty claims related to the Powertrain. Is it the right thing for them to do? Probably not in all cases but if you were sell a product and people that abused it then bring it back to you to get it fixed for free what would you think about that? And yeah people will keep bringing this topic up no matter how many times it has already been discussed.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:18 PM   #6496
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Ha, who knew there were so many engineers in this order cycle! I'm materials/process myself, working mostly on flat panel displays and other similar technologies.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:38 PM   #6497
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Ha, who knew there were so many engineers in this order cycle! I'm materials/process myself, working mostly on flat panel displays and other similar technologies.
I do notice there're a lot of Engineers in this order thread. I switched to process engineer too =) lol
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:25 PM   #6498
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engineers like subaru's, what can we say hahaha

yeah they can def deny you on drivetrain or whatever for whatever reason, i'm just squashing the Cobb AP ECU rolling troll because it just bugs me. Let cobb make their money (they earned it) and let these guys get rid of the GOD AWFUL stock tune.

Fellahs, i'm not lying. Install your Cobb AP with the "Installed Stock Mode" map (meaning 0 changes, just marrys the AP) and do some data logging on the stock tune.
Hell you can form your own opinion after that, but you'll be flashing stage 1 i'll be a benjamin EACH of you on that right now.
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:38 PM   #6499
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If you flash stage 1, blow your engine, uninstall your AP and go in for a warranty claim, they WILL check, and they WILL see you "unplugged your battery" and they WILL ask.

As long as YOU answer correctly (yeah I unplugged my batter, I do that whenever I perform routine maintenance to my vehicle as the engineering manual states to do) there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that they can prove otherwise.

Now back to my beer, happy friday.
I wasn't trying to troll. I've just seen threads about it in the past and I thought that was he case. I have never seen the process thoroughly explained like you just Did. So not only do I stand corrected and retract my statement, but I appreciate you explaining.

Cheers for beers
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:38 PM   #6500
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As a mechanical engineer with some background in pcp design
pcp design?

brah, i been meaning to tell ya, u been looking a lil dusty lately...
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