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Old 02-15-2013, 12:23 PM   #1
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Default 2004 WRX - Where to find shallow speakers?

Ok I've gone through the FAQs, I've tried the search, but there doesn't seem to be any good info on where to get shallow speakers. Or what kind are shallow enough to fit. Finding the depth info was hard enough. 2" 3/8 max using spacers and without cutting iirc.

I'm trying to find speakers (preferably pioneer) that are shallow enough to fit my 2004's front doors. Those pockets are damn shallow.

I see all these people that slap in a 6.5 with a 3/4 spacer but I can't find a 6.5 shallow enough to do something like that. Most of the ones I look at are around 7" deep. Dropping down to 5.25's helps, but I still come up long.

Thoughts? Suggestions? Beratement? Abuse? Google it? OMG another thread talking about speakers just go to iaperformace.com?

BTW, I would not post if google had helped me, most searches point here anyways. And iaperformance.com has spacers, but not speakers. Or I missed them.
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:59 PM   #2
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JBL is popular for making shallow mounted speakers.
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:41 PM   #3
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I've been doing a lot of searching lately for speakers and all things stereo for my car and http://www.crutchfield.com has been pretty useful to me. Not sure how you'll like it. I don't think they have the best prices but they have good info.

Hope that helps
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Old 02-15-2013, 09:27 PM   #4
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The idea is to go to iaperformance, get the spacers, then use normal depth speakers w/o any issues...

I used the IAPerformance spacers, then padded those out from the door even more using about 5-8 layers of thin matting material, then used longer screws from the hardware store to squeeze it all into place. I fit 2.75" depth speakers into 2000 GC doors w/o any issue =)

You should be able to grab anything around 2.5" depth and fit it easily.



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Old 02-18-2013, 09:08 AM   #5
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JBL is popular for making shallow mounted speakers.
Not a fan of JBL at all, know any other brands that might work?

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I've been doing a lot of searching lately for speakers and all things stereo for my car and http://www.crutchfield.com has been pretty useful to me. Not sure how you'll like it. I don't think they have the best prices but they have good info.

Hope that helps
It does, I likely will not buy from them, but I forgot about how much info they also have. Thanks


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The idea is to go to iaperformance, get the spacers, then use normal depth speakers w/o any issues...

I used the IAPerformance spacers, then padded those out from the door even more using about 5-8 layers of thin matting material, then used longer screws from the hardware store to squeeze it all into place. I fit 2.75" depth speakers into 2000 GC doors w/o any issue =)

You should be able to grab anything around 2.5" depth and fit it easily.
Is 2000 GC a 2000 Grand Caravan? I'm not familiar with GC as an abbreviation yet...

Anyways, even once I get spacers, the main problem I am having is finding speakers that are less than 4" in depth. All the ones I start to like a 4" depth or greater. It makes me every time.

I was also wondering what size and brand of speaker you have there.
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Old 02-21-2013, 02:02 AM   #6
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To the OP:

I love my 8" JBL subwoofer and JBL is one of the better mass market audio manufacturers in business imho.

Crutchfield may not have rock bottom prices, but they do have excellent customer service and are actually authorized to sell everything they list, unlike a lot of other online retailers.

GC is the chassis code for the 1st generation Impreza coupe. AcquaCow Dave's speakers look like they're Pioneer Premier 720 PRS's, a beefy 6.75" component set that have been discontinued.

The 02-04 Imprezas are a pain to deal with in terms of front speaker depth. Idk what car speakers you we're looking at that were 7" deep. In order to get speakers approaching only 2.5" deep to fit without hitting anything you have to run 1-inch thick spacers in addition to spacing your door card off the inner door panel. I hesitate to recommend anything specific, without knowing more about your budget or the rest of your system, but a good starting place to look at imo are the Polk db/DXi and the Kicker Ks series.

I used to run Polk db6750 and Pioneer Premier D720 components in my 04 WRX. I have since ditched the extended door pins and extra set of half inch spacers and invested in a set of truly shallow (1-2/3" deep!) components. https://www.massiveaudio.com/product...nent-speakers/ In hindsight, I highly recommend doing the same and getting really slim speakers from the beginning. My original polks were 2-3/8" deep and still hit the window with a 1" spacer.

Also, the current iaperformance spacers are garbage. I bought them originally, expecting solid pieces like the ones in Dave's picture, but they're now just thin hollow plastic. Kartboy made solid plastic 1/2" spacers, of which I bought 2 sets but I believe they're discontinued now as well. Paranoid Fabrications looks like they make something similar and offer varying thicknesses. http://www.paranoidfabrications.com/...-spacers-pair/

Hope this helps. Good luck!
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Old 02-21-2013, 12:58 PM   #7
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Is 2000 GC a 2000 Grand Caravan? I'm not familiar with GC as an abbreviation yet...
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=393672

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I was also wondering what size and brand of speaker you have there.
That is one of the "famous" pioneer 720PRS woofers
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...S-C720PRS.html

They aren't available anymore except occasionally on ebay, but I think these are the replacements:
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_130TSC1...S-C172PRS.html

Actually, now that I think about it, my spacers might be from paranoid fab...I bought them so long ago... bought a few sets just in case they went out of style =P

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Old 02-21-2013, 02:51 PM   #8
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The things I would do to get a Premier/Stage 4 setup. I used to have a premier setup in one of my older cars. Loved every minute of it. Thanks both of you for the info. I think it will be helpful as I move on with my project.

I don't have a firm budget on this, but Stage 4 is too much. I've got some major expenses this year and the audio budget can't go crazy. Though my HU is going to be the DEH-80PRS. Unless I find a double-DIN DVD unit that has the same quality audio components.

I often blare my music loud with the windows down on the hwy, so whatever I get at minimum can't distort at high volumes though I would prefer something that does accurate reproduction all the way across the board. Anything has to be better than the stock ones that give out at medium volumes and sound like mud.

The speakers I am looking at so far are the TS-D1302R and TS-D1602R

And where I was getting 7 in from was when I went to the extended product description (TSD1602R) it lists the Product Dimensions 15 x 5 x 7.5 inches I am used to that 3rd number being the depth. Only in this case I think it may be the box (kinda pointless info to me) as it lists a little further down, the depth is 2.38 inches.

No sub or amp yet though. Well, maybe an amp, but I haven't fully decided. Also, I was considering getting the package that includes a seperate tweeter and a crossover box. But I am not sure whether it will fit in the space where I currently have a factory tweeter. Any ideas on that?

Anyways, I have a lot to figure out still, I am just trying to shape out a rough form at the moment and then I'll fine tune more. Spacers sound like they will be a frustration, glad I didn't get the iaperformance ones a couple days ago. It would have really sucked had they been the cheapo plastic ones you mentioned.
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:34 PM   #9
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I have a similiar question. I am looking for a replacement for my car speakers. I currently have a set of 6.5" Infinity Reference Components that I purchased as an open box for $50. I am not happy with their low frequency production. At loud volumes I have to cross them over at 125-160 Hz.

I would like a woofer to play cleanly at extreme levels at a crossover of 80 Hz to blend better with a sub and minimize localization of the sub. I have a sound processor that I can control from my head unit that has up to 5th order cross over, Eq in 1/3 octave intervals, and time delay. I am suppling 100 WRMS/channel. The woofer needs to play cleanly up to at least 1, 000 Hz, preferably closer to 2,000 Hz. I can design a 2 way or 3 way dependant on the woofer.

I am interested in any woofer 8" or less with a depth less than or equal to 2.75" (70 cm).

The Morel MW266-4 ohm 8" Woofer Polymer Coated Paper Cone looks promising. How well does this perform in a car door? Any woofer that meet the above criteria that that will perform as well or better than this woofer at this price point or cheaper?

Here is a link to the 8 ohm version of this driver.
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=297-040

I've search this site and others. I've seen a couple reviews/comparisons for this woofer. The woofers in the comparison were to deep.

Thank you for your assistance.

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Old 03-24-2013, 06:39 PM   #10
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I have a set of Polk components in my fronts without any problems. I just used the spacer that came with the speakers. I don't know the exact specs but the sound quality out of them is great.
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:51 PM   #11
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...I often blare my music loud with the windows down on the hwy, so whatever I get at minimum can't distort at high volumes though I would prefer something that does accurate reproduction all the way across the board. Anything has to be better than the stock ones that give out at medium volumes and sound like mud.

The speakers I am looking at so far are the TS-D1302R and TS-D1602R

And where I was getting 7 in from was when I went to the extended product description (TSD1602R) it lists the Product Dimensions 15 x 5 x 7.5 inches I am used to that 3rd number being the depth. Only in this case I think it may be the box (kinda pointless info to me) as it lists a little further down, the depth is 2.38 inches.

No sub or amp yet though. Well, maybe an amp, but I haven't fully decided. Also, I was considering getting the package that includes a seperate tweeter and a crossover box. But I am not sure whether it will fit in the space where I currently have a factory tweeter. Any ideas on that?

Anyways, I have a lot to figure out still, I am just trying to shape out a rough form at the moment and then I'll fine tune more. Spacers sound like they will be a frustration, glad I didn't get the iaperformance ones a couple days ago. It would have really sucked had they been the cheapo plastic ones you mentioned.
I'm sorry, lemme make sure I understood what conditions you lined up...

You want to, not rarely, drive with your windows down at speed, and then expect your stereo to give you 'accurate reproduction all the way across the board' under this condition?

You have a more basic problem to resolve before even bothering with speaker depth concerns. First you have to define and then overcome the environment's limitations. In your case, that will be first (with the windows down) wind noise, followed by road noise, then mechanical vibration interfereance.

you address these by either 1:attenuating the noise they generate, or 2: exceeding them as an expression of signal-to-noise.

Since by you rolling down the window you're bringing in the wind noise, you're not going to do option 1. You have to exceed the wind noise. You need to find out how loud the ambient wind noise is inside the cabin (usually in dB), and then spec out your gear to exceed this noise level.
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Old 03-26-2013, 12:23 AM   #12
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If you don't want to purchase spacers, make your own. I did this very project last week on my GC8. Just as shallow of doors.


15 Year Old Paper Weight by blessthekellen, on Flickr


DIY Speaker Adapter by blessthekellen, on Flickr



Perfect Fit by blessthekellen, on Flickr



Alpine SPR17C components. Mounting depth 2 & 1/2"
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^I've done that hundreds of times.... it works great and makes it a lot easier to mount since you can attach it to the spacer at the bench and then it will bolt right up.
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Old 03-26-2013, 11:34 AM   #14
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Vibe Audio, Slick 6 component speakers - mounting depth 1.7-inch:

http://www.vibeaudio.co.uk/car/slick...ers-component/

I have one of their previous models, the Lite Air 6 - also with 1.7-inch mtg. depth - in my 2002 wagon. I still used a 3/4-inch mounting baffle, and a weather shield; got lots of clearance.

They're not the greatest speakers, but they are certainly not the worst either. I think mine perform at least as well as some of the more popular brands I've heard.

Hope this helps,
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Old 03-26-2013, 01:06 PM   #15
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I'm not sure I'd mount my door woofers with only 2 screws though... maybe that is fine at low volumes w/o much bass, but with higher volumes or more midbass, you'd get a lot of flex/vibration from that.
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The things I would do to get a Premier/Stage 4 setup. I used to have a premier setup in one of my older cars. Loved every minute of it. Thanks both of you for the info. I think it will be helpful as I move on with my project.

I don't have a firm budget on this, but Stage 4 is too much. I've got some major expenses this year and the audio budget can't go crazy. Though my HU is going to be the DEH-80PRS. Unless I find a double-DIN DVD unit that has the same quality audio components.

I often blare my music loud with the windows down on the hwy, so whatever I get at minimum can't distort at high volumes though I would prefer something that does accurate reproduction all the way across the board. Anything has to be better than the stock ones that give out at medium volumes and sound like mud.

The speakers I am looking at so far are the TS-D1302R and TS-D1602R

And where I was getting 7 in from was when I went to the extended product description (TSD1602R) it lists the Product Dimensions 15 x 5 x 7.5 inches I am used to that 3rd number being the depth. Only in this case I think it may be the box (kinda pointless info to me) as it lists a little further down, the depth is 2.38 inches.

No sub or amp yet though. Well, maybe an amp, but I haven't fully decided. Also, I was considering getting the package that includes a seperate tweeter and a crossover box. But I am not sure whether it will fit in the space where I currently have a factory tweeter. Any ideas on that?

Anyways, I have a lot to figure out still, I am just trying to shape out a rough form at the moment and then I'll fine tune more. Spacers sound like they will be a frustration, glad I didn't get the iaperformance ones a couple days ago. It would have really sucked had they been the cheapo plastic ones you mentioned.

Thats the size of the box it comes in

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