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Old 02-19-2013, 04:46 PM   #1
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Default BMW M Boss Talks AWD vs RWD, Manaul Transmission and Turbocharging for the Future

Long live RWD + manual transmission!!!



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- No AWD cars
- Manuals for as long as people ask for them
- Turbo is just technology, no change in philosophy required

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BMW M CEO Friedrich Nitschke gave some insight into certain aspects of future M models when speaking recently to Autocar.

AWD vs RWD

While current non-SUV M models all remain RWD, as horsepower numbers climb for each successive generation of models, the question has arisen whether future models would benefit from AWD xDrive offerings, to help with traction and getting all that power down to the ground effectively; especially considering the AWD offerings from competitors - such as the E63/CLS63 AMG 4Matic and upcoming RS6/RS7 Quattro models.

To this, Nitschke reaffirms M's stance on RWD: "Our philosophy in regards to steering feel and precision is that rear-wheel drive is the best solution," ... "xDrive brings an 80-90kg weight penalty and the M differential is the industry's best rear-drive set-up."

Manual Transmission

The M traditionalists/purists/self-rowers' fear is that as BMW M's dual clutch M-DCT transmission gets better by each generation, and as manual transmission take rates decrease, manual transmission will be eliminated as an option altogether. It hasn't happened yet, as the current M5, M6, M6 Gran Coupe, as well as the upcoming F80 M3 and F82 M4 all offer (or will offer) manual transmissions.

To this, Nitschke basically says it's on us (as customers). "From a production aspect, it would be much better to only offer the dual-clutch gearbox," said Nitschke. "But as long as there is demand, we'll offer the manual."

This does however, somewhat contradict with a report last year in which BMW M's head of engineering, Albert Biermann let on that there are no plans to fit the next generation M5 or M6 with a manual transmission.

Turbocharging

Finally, regarding the move away from naturally aspirated engines, Nitschke said: "It's not a change in philosophy, it's a change in technology. Turbocharging is better for fuel savings and CO2."

The F80 M3 / F82 M4 has been confirmed to be powered by an inline 6 cylinder multi-turbo engine, which looks to output 415hp.
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:09 PM   #2
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and why is the next generation 1 series FWD?

http://www.bmwblog.com/2012/11/20/ru...inder-and-fwd/
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:18 PM   #3
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and why is the next generation 1 series FWD?

http://www.bmwblog.com/2012/11/20/ru...inder-and-fwd/
The article refers to M cars only.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:05 PM   #4
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my bad
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Old 02-20-2013, 01:47 AM   #5
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Pretty sure they would only bother putting a stickshift into sports cars (like the M3 or 1M). The new M5 is 4200+ pounds, ain't nobody about to claim that's a sports car.

Similar story with the M6, except it goes past 4500 lbs for the convertible. Grand tourer M6 gets a grand tourer transmission (DCT).
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:24 AM   #6
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One key statement here is "As long as there is demand". Unfortunately manual drivers are a vocal minority and we may not have enough buying power to keep it over the masses who buy otherwise.
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Though BMW says it's an open point, it's understood that the next M5/M6 likely won't have a manual option. But if they ever drop it from the M3, the universe may collapse.

There should be enough poor folk who can only afford the M3 and for whatever reason still want a stick (like me) to keep it out there.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:03 AM   #8
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But if they ever drop it from the M3, the universe may collapse.
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Old 02-20-2013, 01:01 PM   #9
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There should be enough poor folk who can only afford the M3 and for whatever reason still want a stick (like me) to keep it out there.
I think it's more than the price. People who want the M3 want a sports car, not a blingy 4200+ lb luxury yacht with wheels. The M3's audience is perfect for a manual. If I had enough money to buy an M6, I'd just buy an M3 and put a supercharger on that V8.
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Old 02-20-2013, 02:59 PM   #10
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There are plenty of wealthy-enough douchebags who don't care if the M3 has 3 pedals or not. Don't kid yourself. A real manual will live longer in the M3, but it will die eventually.
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Old 02-20-2013, 04:23 PM   #11
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I think this is sad but true. The rise of the electric car will be the last nail in the coffin of the manual.
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