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Old 02-21-2013, 08:58 AM   #151
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Shaded areas are high tensile steel.

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The vert is likely to be significantly floppier.
Interesting. Those are reinforcement frames for collision protection and not necessarily the chassis itself. As I said, yes, they will help add stiffness compared to a convertible. I'd challenge their robustness compared to other Subarus (i.e. hard for jaws of life to extract, thick).

I don't think the car will be a wet noodle (as much as ya'll are thinking) once it's released as a drop top.

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Old 02-21-2013, 04:16 PM   #152
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Can't wait. This is going to be unleashed w/ the new alfa romeo miata.

Oh 2015 is going to be a fun year! And I'll have money!
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:42 PM   #153
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Can't wait. This is going to be unleashed w/ the new alfa romeo miata.

Oh 2015 is going to be a fun year! And I'll have money!
Tell me about it. New miata, new mustang, better brz. I have money now too and hopefully my dream will come true of being able to own a car brand new from day 1 all the way until it dies permanently around 300k miles.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:18 PM   #154
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Tell me about it. New miata, new mustang, better brz. I have money now too and hopefully my dream will come true of being able to own a car brand new from day 1 all the way until it dies permanently around 300k miles.
It's a small dream of mine too.. I currently own an NA miata w/ 69,000 miles and a Saabaru that just turned 111k and playing the throw parts at me game .

I bought both cars used, at great prices--but I do want to experience the exciting sensation of a new just yours car that'd lose value quickly, but imo the BRZ/FRS vert would be a great, I'd figure over 5 years it'd lose 4k/year, maybe a bit less---which is quite reasonable to have a "new" car.

But I loved the way the FRS drove, it just has a damn small interior, and no hatch utility. If I were to get one, one of the first things I'd be doing will be installing a hitch and maybe try to see how to mount an iphone/ipad inside.
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Old 02-21-2013, 07:33 PM   #155
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Interesting. Those are reinforcement frames for collision protection and not necessarily the chassis itself. As I said, yes, they will help add stiffness compared to a convertible. I'd challenge their robustness compared to other Subarus (i.e. hard for jaws of life to extract, thick).

I don't think the car will be a wet noodle (as much as ya'll are thinking) once it's released as a drop top.

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SOA has said before that the BRZ has a reinforced ring frame - whether it's the same rigidity as the other ones, I don't know.

If they do it as a drop top... that could be interesting.
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:49 PM   #156
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I really like the idea of a BRZ convertible, and would strongly consider buying one.

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And the MR2/MR-S W30 up to 2007, which is crazy awesome when you think about it. A quick look online shows that these things hella hold their value
Ironically, a big complaint about this car was its lack of power. Why they didn't offer the 180 hp version of that engine in addition to the 140hp version is beyond me. My old roommate had a 2002 (still has it, actually) and I drove it quite a lot on mountain roads. It was an absolute riot to drive on tight corners if you kept the revs up.
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Old 02-22-2013, 05:29 PM   #157
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Ironically, a big complaint about this car was its lack of power. Why they didn't offer the 180 hp version of that engine in addition to the 140hp version is beyond me. My old roommate had a 2002 (still has it, actually) and I drove it quite a lot on mountain roads. It was an absolute riot to drive on tight corners if you kept the revs up.
I was seriously considering buying one used in ~2008 ..... along with a 2zz swap ..... and probably a turbo

seriously, I drove one and I guess 10 years of driving a wrx with bits added for extra power, or a sti has really spoiled me to driving a fast car.
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Old 02-22-2013, 07:26 PM   #158
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I contend that 200 lbs, a higher price, and 2 less seats on this car kills all of the great things going on with the coupe. If I'm wrong and it's the same weight, price, and only loses out on a little space, it could be great.

You *are* drinking kool - aid if you think the former is a good move for the platform, whether it was in the grand design or not. No reinforced ring, extra weight, higher cost = bad for brand image just so they can sell an even smaller percentage of a niche car.

If they "Magically" do all they say they will, keep the ring, implement for the same price and the same weight, then I'll eat crow willingly. But that's a lotta magic.
I highly doubt Subaru will offer the drop top. It wouldn't be as safe as a Subaru is supposed to be. It couldn't pass the roof crush test, but since it is still a BRZ they could still say that all of their models get the Top Safety Pick from the IIHS. My original thought was they wouldn't do it and sacrifice that allocade.

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Interesting. Those are reinforcement frames for collision protection and not necessarily the chassis itself. As I said, yes, they will help add stiffness compared to a convertible. I'd challenge their robustness compared to other Subarus (i.e. hard for jaws of life to extract, thick).

I don't think the car will be a wet noodle (as much as ya'll are thinking) once it's released as a drop top.

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Old 02-23-2013, 11:20 PM   #159
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Would be nice to see Subaru offer this (with better internals) as a BRZ STI. Would seem like a waste of R&D not to. Scion could offer the same model as a FR-S TRD.
Just a reminder.. they're producing the 200hp, sliding brake caliper, no-steering-wheel-button BRZ/FR-S/GT-86, that was introduced less than a year ago, at the factory's capacity to fulfill pre-orders made last March.

They aren't wasting a damn thing by not releasing a higher spec model right now... they're raking it in.. and in a few years when you can actually buy one off a lot (ie: sales fall below production) they will be wise to release an incrementally higher spec model... followed by a truly high-spec model.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:27 PM   #160
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This will never be a miata...
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Old 02-24-2013, 01:29 AM   #161
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.. and in a few years when you can actually buy one off a lot (ie: sales fall below production) they will be wise to release an incrementally higher spec model... followed by a truly high-spec model.

I think that may come sooner than you think! SOA asked for more cars, and I believe they are getting them. Right now, it looks like we will be able to earn an allocation of them within a few months. We had a wait list from hell, but they started to roll in faster and our last 3 all show to be arriving in the same month. ?????. Maybe orders slowed up enough for the factory to get ahead? Maybe those little work horses kicked some butt on the assembly line? Going to be interesting the next few months.
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Old 02-24-2013, 01:31 AM   #162
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You're right. It'll be better.
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Old 02-24-2013, 11:00 AM   #163
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http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html

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Old 02-24-2013, 02:17 PM   #164
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This will end up being like the STi and EVO over the years. Miata "lost" the first comparo, so they come back with some upgrades. Now it is Miata. BRZ/FR-S will come out with some upgrades the next go round and take it back. Will be fun to watch.
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:07 PM   #165
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At the MX-5 Club Specs price point, they should really be comparing it to the BRZ Premium which includes HID, better interior(subjective), and 21/28mpg vs 22/30mpg. People who really are interested in a brand new roadster will now be able to have the best of both worlds.

Autocar Review MX-5(retractable HT) vs BRZ vs 370z
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Old 02-25-2013, 06:25 AM   #166
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At the MX-5 Club Specs price point, they should really be comparing it to the BRZ Premium which includes HID, better interior(subjective), and 21/28mpg vs 22/30mpg. People who really are interested in a brand new roadster will now be able to have the best of both worlds.
Best of both worlds? What are you talking about?

What difference would comparing the Miata to the BRZ Premium instead of the FRS make?

There was almost no attention paid to equipment levels. This was strictly a "how it drives" evaluation.

Given that, how would the Subaru's HID lamps, garbage NAV HU and brittle, playskool interior change the result?

This time, the Miata takes the top spot despite the Scion's price advantage. And they really, really loved the Scion.
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With the (assumed) higher price point..I wonder if it would be released as a Toyota with all the features as the high spec. GT86.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30037

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Old 02-28-2013, 07:14 PM   #168
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Old 02-28-2013, 07:21 PM   #169
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This concept is production ready. Phone holder looks awesome in a tacky MINI way.
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Old 02-28-2013, 07:24 PM   #170
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HipToBeSquare can trade-up from his Miata, now.
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Old 02-28-2013, 07:39 PM   #171
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Will easily replace the Miata as the ultimate chick/hairdresser car for those who know no better...
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Old 02-28-2013, 07:40 PM   #172
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It would sell better as a Toyota convertible for sure. Caters more to that demographic.
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Old 02-28-2013, 07:45 PM   #173
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^^^^^ Agreed.

Toyota North America should admit defeat and just absorb Scion.

Scion: stupid idea, stupid brand.
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:30 PM   #174
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Wheels are Porsche ripoffs, but I kinda like em
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:34 PM   #175
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Oh god it's amazing...

Well I know what I'm going to be buying in 2015 for sure.

Iphone holder is def amazing and cute. Functional way to push a logo in your way.

Only downside is that it requires premium only, maybe it'd be support e85? Not a massively big deal, just a minor annoyance.

Also, it's going to be a soft top. Look at the trunk lines and that space behind the rear passenger seat.





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