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Old 02-26-2013, 11:42 AM   #76
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VW's success is no wonder. Their cars are absolutely beautiful to drive when they are working correctly. The car sells itself during the test drive. No salesman required.

It's after the sale that VW owners are screwed. But they love the car so much because of how well it drives that VW owners give the car, the dealership, VWoA, and so on an aweful lot of slack.

I get it. I loved my 2010 Golf TDI when it was working correctly. Give me a choice between driving my TDI on a good day vs. driving my Impreza on a good day, and I would choose the TDI. Don't get me wrong--I like driving my Impreza a lot; it's a very good car to drive. But the TDI was a great car to drive on a good day.

The problem is that there were enough bad days that I couldn't trust the TDI. And for a daily driver, that's just not acceptable to me. I'm not as willing to cut a great driving car slack as many VW owners are, which is why I'm now hanging out on this fine forum with you guys.
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Old 02-26-2013, 03:14 PM   #77
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VW's success is no wonder. Their cars are absolutely beautiful to drive when they are working correctly. The car sells itself during the test drive. No salesman required.

It's after the sale that VW owners are screwed. But they love the car so much because of how well it drives that VW owners give the car, the dealership, VWoA, and so on an aweful lot of slack.

I get it. I loved my 2010 Golf TDI when it was working correctly. Give me a choice between driving my TDI on a good day vs. driving my Impreza on a good day, and I would choose the TDI. Don't get me wrong--I like driving my Impreza a lot; it's a very good car to drive. But the TDI was a great car to drive on a good day.

The problem is that there were enough bad days that I couldn't trust the TDI. And for a daily driver, that's just not acceptable to me. I'm not as willing to cut a great driving car slack as many VW owners are, which is why I'm now hanging out on this fine forum with you guys.
My high school auto-shop teacher once told me, "never buy a VW unless it comes with a warranty"

After owning one, I know why lol.
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Old 02-26-2013, 03:27 PM   #78
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My high school auto-shop teacher once told me, "never buy a VW unless it comes with a warranty"

After owning one, I know why lol.
Yeah. Mine had a warranty, so all of its failures were covered. But it still cost me a lot of stress, time, inconvenience, and anger. Sold it with 6k miles left on the warranty.

It would be interesting to take a survey of car buyers, like this:

Would your rather buy a:
  • Car that's great to drive but needs to go to the garage every 4 to 6 months for repairs, adjustments, recalls, etc., or a
  • Car that's very good to drive (but not great) that never requires anything more than routine preventive maintenance?


I wonder how that survey would turn out. Because that very question is the key to VW's success.
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Old 02-26-2013, 07:27 PM   #79
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Yeah. Mine had a warranty, so all of its failures were covered. But it still cost me a lot of stress, time, inconvenience, and anger. Sold it with 6k miles left on the warranty.

It would be interesting to take a survey of car buyers, like this:


Would your rather buy a:
  • Car that's great to drive but needs to go to the garage every 4 to 6 months for repairs, adjustments, recalls, etc., or a
  • Car that's very good to drive (but not great) that never requires anything more than routine preventive maintenance?


I wonder how that survey would turn out. Because that very question is the key to VW's success.
I have had prob over 20 cars, (get bored quick) and I can honestly say the best car I have ever owned was my 1992 VWGTI 16v. Car was perfectly balanced, no electronics to break, ie roll down windows, sunroof, best handling car IMO and great on gas. That was a simple, well engineered car that was awesome to drive. I had very few issues with that car, but even if I had, I would take that car even with problems. I choose option 1. Man I miss that car

You are correct, People buy European cars because the driving experience can be far superior to Japanese brands IMO. It all comes down to your pocketbook and what you want/need a car for???
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:21 PM   #80
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You are correct, People buy European cars because the driving experience can be far superior to Japanese brands IMO. It all comes down to your pocketbook and what you want/need a car for???
Precisely. I want a great driving car. But I need a reliable car. So I would take the second option in my survey above, which is exactly what I did when I bought my Impreza--gave up a great driving but unreliable car in exchange for a good driving and very reliable car.

This is why I'll be monitoring how the next generation of WRX does in terms of driving fun and reliability. I really like the BRZ, too, but I need four doors and more space.
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:58 PM   #81
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Precisely. I want a great driving car. But I need a reliable car. So I would take the second option in my survey above, which is exactly what I did when I bought my Impreza--gave up a great driving but unreliable car in exchange for a good driving and very reliable car.

This is why I'll be monitoring how the next generation of WRX does in terms of driving fun and reliability. I really like the BRZ, too, but I need four doors and more space.
Just want to say this... all car brands have lemons...Even Subaru, Just ask the oil thread guys.

I agree with you, I too chose the Impreza for personal practicality reasons, but my 2010 VWGTI was not unreliable in any way shape or form. Performed flawlessly and was beyond a super blast to drive. If only my Buick DD did not get totalled, I would still have her. But, that is the past.

So far I have a bit over 5k on the Impreza since 10/13/12, and reliability wise not one issue. I do have a list for the dealer though when car goes in soon for service. The dash rattles at low RPM (so annoying, getting worse too thankfully) the right front door speaker seems to be blown or loose or something, and has anyone else noticed the heater blower motor is beyond loud, and does not work well unless only in the low fan speeds?

Point is I truley think that all of the car companies, except GM IMO make very good products, there will always be lemons.
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Old 02-26-2013, 09:44 PM   #82
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Point is I truley think that all of the car companies, except GM IMO make very good products, there will always be lemons.
Agreed. But if you followed the VW MK6 TDI forums, you would know that those cars have a slew of pattern failures. I'm not talking about a random car that turns out to be a dud. I'm talking about every car that is prone to problems given the wrong fuel, or the wrong temperature/humidity conditions, or the wrong driving style, or....
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:47 AM   #83
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http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...ts-rankings#p2
Sedans, Compact:
Best: Subaru Impreza Premium. Worst: Volkswagen Jetta SE

Hatchbacks/Wagons, Compact:
Best: Volkswagen Golf TDI. Worst: Mini Cooper Clubman

I guess the impreza hatchback is too big to be a compact hatchback.



http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/m...2013/index.htm

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Subaru’s 2012 redesign breathed new life into the all-wheel-drive Impreza. Both sedan and hatchback versions are good, sensible cars, with nimble handling and a compliant, absorbent ride that rivals some luxury sedans. Fuel economy is impressive for an AWD car. And the roomy interior, spacious rear seat, simple controls, and refreshingly good visibility make it easy to live with. OK, noise isolation is so-so, but that’s no deal-breaker. Sedan $21,345; hatchback $22,345.
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:17 AM   #84
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Consumer Reports should add an asterisk next to the Golf TDI:

* The VW Golf TDI only ranks as best when it's running. In addition to the Fuel System problems that earn a black dot in our reliability tables, the TDI is also prone to intercooler icing, diesel particulate filter clogging, various kinds of emissions issues, and more. If you want a compact hatchback that's almost as good to drive as the Golf TDI while also being vastly more reliable, consider the Impreza 5-door hatchback.
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Old 03-12-2013, 05:46 AM   #85
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Have had mine less than a year. it has 23,000 miles on it. 5 speed impreza premium hatch avg 34mpg use mobil 1 oil and only subi filters.
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:33 AM   #86
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Have had mine less than a year. it has 23,000 miles on it. 5 speed impreza premium hatch avg 34mpg use mobil 1 oil and only subi filters.
Nice MPGs. Have you noticed any oil consumption on the Mobil1?
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