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Old 01-31-2013, 09:20 PM   #76
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Get the proper stage two mods first and go from there. 37 here BTW and have had my share of loud cars...

It doesn't count but I did the same thing on my 03 wagon and am very happy with the minimal noise. The exhaust got a bit throatier but that was it. It was total stealth.

I went further with an STi axleback for a bit more flow and EL headers and it is perfect. Quieter than any aftermarket setup and plenty fine for me. Axlebacks are easy to swap in comparison to a downpipe, which isn't really that bad either.
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:21 PM   #77
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Cobb's catback is around that same as the SPT. The Q300 is known for it's drone... not sure if you want that
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:13 PM   #78
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Got my Tactrix cable and RomRaider/ECUFlash software installed. Did a few test logging runs to make sure everything worked before ordering up a Stage 1 e-tune. Played around with the RomRaider Dyno function and also used Virtual Dyno on RomRaider log files. Pretty cool stuff. Should have the new map loaded soon, and will post up results.
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:22 PM   #79
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Yay for an opensource tune! I knew he would.
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:49 PM   #80
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Got my Tactrix cable and RomRaider/ECUFlash software installed. Did a few test logging runs to make sure everything worked before ordering up a Stage 1 e-tune. Played around with the RomRaider Dyno function and also used Virtual Dyno on RomRaider log files. Pretty cool stuff. Should have the new map loaded soon, and will post up results.
Look into high speed SD card logging. No laptop required to log your car. It is THE logging solution.
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:00 PM   #81
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Stage 2 for old men I love it! I am also 40 booster seats in the back and the whole nine! Thank goodness for this thread I was looking for the exact same thing.
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:55 PM   #82
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Yay for an opensource tune! I knew he would.
Lol... Yeah, no disrespect to AP users, but in the end I felt I was "wimping out" not going opensource and taking on the challenge. Especially since I'm an engineer working for an embedded software company.

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Look into high speed SD card logging. No laptop required to log your car. It is THE logging solution.
Yup. 2gb micro SD card arrived today at home (Amazon Prime woot!) and I already have a logcfg.txt file created. Thanks for the feedback!

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Stage 2 for old men I love it! I am also 40 booster seats in the back and the whole nine! Thank goodness for this thread I was looking for the exact same thing.
Glad to hear you might benefit from this thread. I'll keep posting my upgrades and results as I move forward. Hopefully others will continue to post theirs. Thanks.

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Old 02-06-2013, 11:05 PM   #83
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Yay for another engineer!
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Old 02-07-2013, 03:01 PM   #84
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Woa, I need to look into SD card logging..

I thought I'd add my $.02. I am in my twenties... but I also wanted a refined exhaust that was not too loud. I bought one of the early batches of CBE from Nameless, when they only had magnaflow mufflers or no mufflers! I have to say, the sound is absolutely refined and I highly recommend it. The caveat is that I am running their CBE without the midpipe's resonator. I think it might get too quiet with just the axleback, but hey, they're exhaust is modular so you can buy the axleback alone first and if you want more sound get the nonresonated (or resonated) midpipe. The nonresonated mid lets through some subtle pops and burbles that I happen to really like.

Here's a video of my exhaust, just catback.

For overlays, Batmobile was mentioned, but I have the set from IAG. They've been perfect for 2 years now.



(If you turn this into a build thread I can take down these pictures, just wanted to give you a visual!)

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Old 02-07-2013, 03:04 PM   #85
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My ap came in yesterday, cool thing is if you get a tune withing 6 months of buying the ap you get $200 off at cobb. The idea is to accumulate the stage 3 stuf over the next couple of months and maybe a little extra then go get the protune and still have the AP to do all my own logging and what not.
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:14 PM   #86
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Why catted? go catless.

Why AP if your going to need a custom tune? go opensource with a tactrix cable, 100$ Assuming your an old guy who knows how to work a computer.
Little to no gain by going catless on a stage 2. Other than make the back of your car black, exhaust funk in the cabin, and F-up the enviorment more.

I agree with the opensource tune if you already own a laptop.
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Old 02-07-2013, 05:55 PM   #87
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:09 PM   #88
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Woa, I need to look into SD card logging..

I thought I'd add my $.02. I am in my twenties... but I also wanted a refined exhaust that was not too loud. I bought one of the early batches of CBE from Nameless, when they only had magnaflow mufflers or no mufflers! I have to say, the sound is absolutely refined and I highly recommend it. The caveat is that I am running their CBE without the midpipe's resonator. I think it might get too quiet with just the axleback, but hey, they're exhaust is modular so you can buy the axleback alone first and if you want more sound get the nonresonated (or resonated) midpipe. The nonresonated mid lets through some subtle pops and burbles that I happen to really like.

Here's a video of my exhaust, just catback.
Nameless Catback 2011 WRX Hatch - YouTube

For overlays, Batmobile was mentioned, but I have the set from IAG. They've been perfect for 2 years now.



(If you turn this into a build thread I can take down these pictures, just wanted to give you a visual!)
Great info! I've been talking with Ryan at Nameless and he's been very helpful. I'm still seriously considering the NP TBE w/ the Magnaflow muffler. The other one I'm looking at is the Maddad Whisper CBE and downpipe. People say he's hard to get a hold of, but Rich answered my questions within a day or two and was extremely thorough... really terrific feedback. He mentioned the shorty dp option which keeps your stock midpipe and saves money, but I think I want to go stainless front to back to help deal with the upstate NY winters. Tough decision... BTW, how's the Magnaflow packing hold up after some use? Have you had it long? Does it get much louder or blow out? Thanks!

Thanks for the taillight pics too.

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My ap came in yesterday, cool thing is if you get a tune withing 6 months of buying the ap you get $200 off at cobb. The idea is to accumulate the stage 3 stuf over the next couple of months and maybe a little extra then go get the protune and still have the AP to do all my own logging and what not.
Great info on the $200 savings... Did not know that.

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Little to no gain by going catless on a stage 2. Other than make the back of your car black, exhaust funk in the cabin, and F-up the enviorment more.

I agree with the opensource tune if you already own a laptop.
Yeah catted is a no-brainer for me. Opensource has been working great. Did a few sdcard standalone logs and brought them up fine in Virtual Dyno. Fun stuff. TBH, opensource is a little confusing at first but you'll get it eventually after some interweb searches and playing around.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:49 AM   #89
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BTW, how's the Magnaflow packing hold up after some use? Have you had it long? Does it get much louder or blow out? Thanks!
It's broken in for sure, meaning it has gotten a bit louder, but I wouldn't call it blown out at all. The tone is still very controlled and quiet, esp at low rpms.
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:34 PM   #90
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Quick update... TBE ordered. I'll post more info after the install, which might be another week or two. Looks like I'm skipping right to stage 2.
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:49 PM   #91
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You won't regret it. I'm on my way there with a protune in a month or so. We'll have to compare notes once we're both there.
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Old 02-27-2013, 11:48 AM   #92
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Some updates: My TBE exhaust arrived late yesterday. And I painted my tail lights over the weekend. First, the tail lights: I used VHT Night Shades Red and Duplicolor Clear Acrylic Lacquer. I won't go into too much details since there are many how-to threads floating around, but ended up applying two light coats and then one medium coat of the VHT, followed by 4 coats of the Duplicolor. I needed to get the lights back on my car to get to work the next day, so I only wet sanded one of the fixtures as a quick test. The polish I had was old and not very good, so I will be picking up some new stuff this weekend. TBH, the orange peel effect isn't too bad on the lights if you are careful when applying. The wet sanding does smooth it out of course. I will finish sanding and polishing them at some point in the near future.

I ended up going with the Maddad Whisper CBE and Metal V2 DP. I put a lot of thought into the cost/benefit of going this way or the another, but I ended up here. I was a bit worried that Rich at Daddy SSCP was going to be unresponsive after reading several complaints on various forums, but it turned out to be exactly the opposite. Rich replied to my numerous questions extremely thoroughly and in a timely manner. I was very impressed and it helped me make my final decision to go with his products. Almost three years ago, just before picking up my WRX I had done similar research and decided on the Whisper back then... so I've sort of come full circle after considering many different options in the mean time.

I was also exchanging many emails with Nameless performance sales and engineering. They were also very helpful and professional. Unfortunately, the only pictures I could find of their TBE with Magnaflow muffler showed some of the pipe hanging a bit low. I don't know if it would scrape on anything, but I didn't like the looks and other solutions were tucked up a bit more. It could be the pics were old and Nameless updated the design, but I did not get enough feedback to change my decision on the Whisper. I think Nameless has quality products for a good price, but they just didn't fit my needs as closely as the Maddad even if it was a few hundred cheaper. (So much for saving money!)

Speaking of money... I set out to find a relatively quiet and not overly expensive way of getting to stage 2. I wanted some improvement in exhaust sound, but not much more volume. I learned along the way that if I wanted the absolutely quietest and cheapest option, a shorty DP (like the one from Maddad or similar) is the way to go. I replaces only the portion of the exhaust that yields the biggest gains but leaves the rest in place including the stock catalytic converter. For a few hundred bucks you get near stock sound and decent stage 2 power when tuned.

The exhaust arrived from California (I'm guessing it is manufacturered by Stromung...?), and was packaged nicely. There was a hole in one box where a hanger pushed through, but it was padded up nicely with foam wrap so no apparent damage. The muffler has a shallow "dent" in it that looks worse in the picture than in person. The welds look solid, but not nearly as nice as the ones I've seen from Nameless. You can also see the "fake" heat shield that the Metal V2 comes with. Here are some pics:




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Old 02-27-2013, 11:55 AM   #93
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wow, that exhaust looks really good. so the DP has two hi-flow cats and it's a full 3" TBE in this config.?

i like it. do they or did they advertise average gains from this set up? *just curious.
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Old 02-27-2013, 12:02 PM   #94
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wow, that exhaust looks really good. so the DP has two hi-flow cats and it's a full 3" TBE in this config.?

i like it. do they or did they advertise average gains from this set up? *just curious.
Just the one 300 cell metal substrate cat, the "second cat" is just a heat shield that might fool the casual observer into thinking the stock cat is still there.

They don't really advertise any gains other than saying you will see similar performance when compared to other high quality catted DPs. At stage 2, the rest of the exhaust doesn't matter a huge amount so the Whisper probably doesn't help/hurt there. If going with bigger mods down the road, I ordered the full 3" front to back (no donut gasket for DP connection) so it should flow pretty well. There's pages and pages of forum posts discussing DP design and which is superior (e.g. divorced wastegate vs bellmouth), but for what I'm doing I don't think it matters much. One reason I decided to order the entire TBE package was so I would have a brand new, high quality, stainless steel exhaust that will hopefully make it through many upstate NY winters.

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Old 02-27-2013, 12:14 PM   #95
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yeah, i read, read and read some more. as i posted previously in your thread.

my cobb DP tapers down to 2.5" and mated up up to the OEM exhaust no problem.

i picked up a used Greddy SP Elite from another member. ordered a new donut gasket and 2 more grimmspeed 3" gaskets so i can throw it on soon. *among other things on my laundry list.

i hear you on the NY winters. i'm in MA but i spent 7 long years up state @ Ft. Drum / Watertown. good times.
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Old 02-27-2013, 12:53 PM   #96
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Watertown is definitely "upstate"!

Those Greddys look really nice. Best of luck with your new exhaust.

I'm planning on putting mine on this weekend.

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Old 03-01-2013, 04:45 PM   #97
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KMA2 - great choice on DP and exhaust! I'm running the same MadDad on my hatch, and feel it's perfect for us older guys (52 here). I hope it meets your expectations.

As I'm sure you're aware, these upgrades are just the beginning. I started out with a MadDad shorty and Whisper CBE last year with a Cobb pro-tune. Then the modding bug hit me, and it hasn't stopped. One benefit for some of us 'older guys' is that resources are available to continue adding power and suspension upgrades.

My wife also enjoys the entire experience in the car, and looks forward to a long drive every weekend. It's a DD for me, so I enjoy it every day. I hope you do also.
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Old 03-03-2013, 04:18 PM   #98
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DP2, thanks for the feedback! Yeah, I'm really hoping I don't get the bug... at least not right now. I'm so busy and really shouldn't be spending the money, but I understand it's a risk. Based on your experience, did you notice a change in the exhaust note over time? I installed it yesterday, and it seemed to get slightly louder after a little driving. I'll keep an eye [ear] on it.

I plan to update my original post with videos and pictures so stay tuned. For now, here's a little Virtual Dyno comparison of stock vs Torqued Performance Stage 2:

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Old 03-03-2013, 05:25 PM   #99
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I would stay away from the magnaflow, I have a flow master which I find comparable and within less than a year, it's rusted badly. I'm in Mass, so I think the winters are comparable. I have a cobb which is still in great condition, I'd go with a cobb or a spt.

Why not go all out with a loud flashy exhaust I see a bunch of 40+ year olds with loud corvettes, and mustangs
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Old 03-03-2013, 09:31 PM   #100
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Nate, look a few posts up and you'll see I already pulled the trigger on a new exhaust.

Here's a video after the install, including a sound level meter to estimate "loudness".

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