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Old 03-02-2013, 01:46 PM   #1
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My car passed a year old last month and has 19,840 miles. I had new tires installed last night and always get an alignment check afterwards. With this car being relatively new, auto service places like Precision Tune, Goodyear and Firestone didnít have the specs in their equipment to do the alignment so I had to go to the dealership, $100.74. I had a 4 wheel alignment coupon at Precision Tune for $49 too, bummer.

The results were surprising. My steering wheel is centered and there's no pulling to either side. I never hit the curves, ran into any potholes or turn corners fast. Yet, only the front left was near perfect spec. The Toe on the other three were not. The front right was out of spec, followed by the rear right which was close to being out of spec and then the rear left was halfway.

If you look at the picture below, the actuals should be near the middle of the specified range. The front should be at or close to 0.00 and the rear should be at or close to 0.10 The service tech said Subaru recommends the rear toe to be 0.11 and my old numbers show the tires would wear on the inside.

I picked up a tire depth gauge from OíReillys on the way back home ($3) and sure enough, the insides of 3 Yokoís are 4/32 and the outside 6/32. Iím going to have it checked again in 6 months. Like the other auto service places, the dealership will check it for free. At least the one I go to does.

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Old 03-02-2013, 02:48 PM   #2
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I have had an alignment on both cars Mine at 300 hers at 5000 when winter tires went on. During transport cars alignment gets wacked. I have always done alignments on my new car fors this reason. Also when I switch wheels I do an alignment. Potholes, bad roads, etc just a part of life I am afraid. I pay 75 I have a tire shop I go to that services the cars you see in top gear uk so they are one of the best in my area. You should get in the habit of doing an alignment once or twice a year just my own opinion

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Old 03-02-2013, 03:16 PM   #3
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Will the dealer check it for free if it is under warranty?
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Old 03-02-2013, 03:32 PM   #4
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You should get in the habit of doing an alignment once or twice a year just my own opinion
I agree now that I've seen how out of spec it can get after nothing major happening (that I know of)
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Old 03-02-2013, 03:45 PM   #5
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Will the dealer check it for free if it is under warranty?
The service writer didn't say anything about being under warranty. I elected to have them perform the service after they checked it and showed me the results.
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Old 03-02-2013, 04:00 PM   #6
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The service writer didn't say anything about being under warranty. I elected to have them perform the service after they checked it and showed me the results.
Ok, but they will check it for free, maybe I should do that
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Old 03-02-2013, 04:13 PM   #7
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I had a front end alignment 'adjustment' done by my dealer at my 30 day free service because the car was delivered to me with the steering wheel out of adjustment (turned to one side when the wheels were straight). They corrected the toe-in I think.
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Old 03-02-2013, 05:03 PM   #8
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Not trying to hijack but I think its related. How are you guys rotating your tires on the stock 17" Yokos? Just front to back, cross, something different?
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Old 03-02-2013, 05:18 PM   #9
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Not trying to hijack but I think its related. How are you guys rotating your tires on the stock 17" Yokos? Just front to back, cross, something different?
With what the manual says
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Old 03-02-2013, 05:19 PM   #10
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the two set of stock yokos are currently residing in my tire totes, I don't think they
are gonna make it back on the cars, EVER
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Old 03-02-2013, 05:30 PM   #11
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there's no pulling to either side.
That's because toe won't cause a pull!
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:23 PM   #12
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I had a front end alignment 'adjustment' done by my dealer at my 30 day free service because the car was delivered to me with the steering wheel out of adjustment (turned to one side when the wheels were straight). They corrected the toe-in I think.
My steering wheel was crooked when I test drove the car, so I told the salesman, a few times, to have a tech. check the toe and straighten the wheel before I picked up the car.

I stopped back to pick up the car, and was told that it was just low tire pressure causing the crooked steering wheel. I chuckled. Unfortunately, the service department was closed when I picked up the car, so I couldn't ask them to remedy the situation.

I wrote a nasty note about that experience on Subaru's survey and the dealer called me to ask me about it. So... I'm going to have them straighten everything out when I get my first, free, oil change.

Crazy... Never had a new car with the alignment out of whack, but I also didn't know that simply transporting the vehicle can throw things out of whack.
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Old 03-02-2013, 08:18 PM   #13
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That's because toe won't cause a pull!
I was just pointing out how I wasn't having any steering problems. Now that I measured my old tires, a problem did exist. I just didn't notice it.
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Old 03-08-2013, 05:19 PM   #14
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I have the same inner wear problem on the OEM yokos....approaching 31K on my 12 Limited HB....had it in for the 30k service with the dealer, they noticed the wear and checked the alignment for free, said nothing was out of spec....all four are wearing exactly the same at this point......will probably let them go to 40K and then change them sometime late summer....I have had them rotated every 7.5K front to back
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I have the same inner wear problem on the OEM yokos....approaching 31K on my 12 Limited HB....had it in for the 30k service with the dealer, they noticed the wear and checked the alignment for free, said nothing was out of spec....all four are wearing exactly the same at this point......will probably let them go to 40K and then change them sometime late summer....I have had them rotated every 7.5K front to back
No cross? Factory pattern is front tires move back to rear on same side and rears cross to front
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I have the same inner wear problem on the OEM yokos....checked the alignment for free, said nothing was out of spec....all four are wearing exactly the same at this point.......I have had them rotated every 7.5K front to back
The car is setup and spec'd with negative camber on the front and rear from the factory. I know the manual says to rotate front to back only with no crossing, but with as much negative camber is in the car, especially the rear, I would do a rotation patter that would allow all 4 tires to be in a different corner of the vehicle after 4 rotations.

Something like...cross fronts to the rear, bring rear straight forward, or vice versa as long as you do it the same everytime.
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The car is setup and spec'd with negative camber on the front and rear from the factory. I know the manual says to rotate front to back only with no crossing, but with as much negative camber is in the car, especially the rear, I would do a rotation patter that would allow all 4 tires to be in a different corner of the vehicle after 4 rotations.

Something like...cross fronts to the rear, bring rear straight forward, or vice versa as long as you do it the same everytime.
which manual?
http://techinfo.subaru.com/proxy/695...213Ball_20.pdf

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Exactly, if the tires are uni-directional you must maintain rotation. You "may" be able to dismount & flip, then do a cross but not likely since a lot of uni-directional tires have an "out side" so just front to back / back to rear swaps.

As an aside, earlier radial tires REQUIRED you to maintain rotation. If you flipped them (even if not uni-directional) you ran the risk of separating the inner belts and damaging the tires. You would be able to lift a corner of the car, spin the tires and see the tread grooves "wiggle" where the belts had separated.
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That's because toe won't cause a pull!
Only if you let the steering wheel go where it wants, if you keep the steering wheel "centered", a toe that is off will cause a pull.
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Only if you let the steering wheel go where it wants, if you keep the steering wheel "centered", a toe that is off will cause a pull.
That's not a pull, that's steer ahead, but ok....a "pull" when talking about alignment is if you let go of the steering wheel and the car PULLS to one side or the other. I can put your car on an alignment rack and have the steering wheel turned 90 degrees and set the toe perfectly within specs. When you drive down the road your steering wheel will be crooked but the toe will be within spec.
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Old 03-09-2013, 02:26 PM   #21
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I have the same inner wear problem on the OEM yokos....approaching 31K on my 12 Limited HB....had it in for the 30k service with the dealer, they noticed the wear and checked the alignment for free, said nothing was out of spec....all four are wearing exactly the same at this point......will probably let them go to 40K and then change them sometime late summer....I have had them rotated every 7.5K front to back
Did they bring you into the service area to show you the current alignment on the screen? If a range is -.10 to .10, registering a .09 is technically in spec but it's a thin line to being out of spec. Since your tires wore on the inside too, you will be getting an alignment with new tires later this year, right?

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Old 03-09-2013, 06:22 PM   #22
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If a range is -.10 to .10, registering a .9 is technically in spec but it's a thin line to being out of spec.
Using those numbers .9 is WAYYY out of spec! But yes they should have given a printout of the alignment at minimum.
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I stand corrected! I swore I saw that in my manual though...oh well, getting old I guess!!

On second thought, I think it was in my 2011 Jetta TDI manual! I remember thinking why the heck would that be the recommended rotation pattern??

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Old 03-09-2013, 08:17 PM   #24
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Using those numbers .9 is WAYYY out of spec! But yes they should have given a printout of the alignment at minimum.
You right, I meant .09.
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Old 03-10-2013, 06:03 PM   #25
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I had my '12 Sport at the dealer this past Friday for an alignment. The service writer said that Subaru pays for the first alignment on new cars. So I got an alignment and a tsb fix performed at no charge! This is Carter Subaru in Shoreline, WA. YMMV!
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