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Old 03-05-2013, 01:17 PM   #10326
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I love the look I get from my 85 f/1.8. I would like to do a comparison between my new 70-200 f/4 though.
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Old 03-05-2013, 10:24 PM   #10327
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I guess that cheating is the wrong word. I meant it more in that I'll shoot at 200-300mm wide open (Which is f/5.6) since I don't have a fast lens longer than 50mm. If I had an 85mm prime or similar, I'd love to do a comparison sometime.
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I love the look I get from my 85 f/1.8. I would like to do a comparison between my new 70-200 f/4 though.
Just remember that it's pretty rare for even the most expensive lenses to have the best sharpness wide open. Thus, while your DOF will be razor thin wide open on a 85mm É1.8, the overall sharpness will be a little better if you stop down a bit (I personally like using É2.2 or É2.5 on that lens).
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:33 AM   #10328
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I really like this spot even though the reflections of the deck are really hard to manage on the glass.


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Old 03-06-2013, 09:35 AM   #10329
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Just remember that it's pretty rare for even the most expensive lenses to have the best sharpness wide open. Thus, while your DOF will be razor thin wide open on a 85mm É1.8, the overall sharpness will be a little better if you stop down a bit (I personally like using É2.2 or É2.5 on that lens).
Yeah I usually shoot my 85 at 2.2-2.8 for my auto stuff. I haven't had a chance to put the new zoom through it's paces yet. There is a track event in a few weeks where I think it's going to really shine!

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I really like this spot even though the reflections of the deck are really hard to manage on the glass.
Nice shot! The reflections personally don't bother me or distract me from the over all image. This is the first pic since you got the car painted that I can REALLY see how SHARP those body lines are! Looks great.
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Old 03-06-2013, 10:40 AM   #10330
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I really like this spot even though the reflections of the deck are really hard to manage on the glass.
I want to take photos like this when I grow up!

Great photo! I agree that the reflections don't bother me, but I'm also not a follower of the "remove every possible reflection" style of editing either.

The new paint looks fantastic, by the way.
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Old 03-07-2013, 12:14 PM   #10331
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I really like this spot even though the reflections of the deck are really hard to manage on the glass.
I really don't mind the reflection at all, it's the bit of odd distortion on the car that bothers me more. It might just because of where you're positioned, but the passenger side of the car is relatively straight, but the driver's side seems like it has a distinct curve to it. I don't know why it's there since you shot this at 70mm, but for some reason it really sticks out to me. Otherwise, I think this shot is fantastic!
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Old 03-07-2013, 12:55 PM   #10332
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Yeah I usually shoot my 85 at 2.2-2.8 for my auto stuff. I haven't had a chance to put the new zoom through it's paces yet. There is a track event in a few weeks where I think it's going to really shine!
No need to wait until the track day to put the new lens through its paces! My own 70-200 is my go-to for most of my regular automotive work
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Old 03-07-2013, 12:56 PM   #10333
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For those of you who want to learn more about taking rolling shots, check out this guide written by my good friend and mentor, Josh Mackey:

http://motivelife.com/topics/knowled...by-josh-mackey

I've got a few guest appearances in there too
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Old 03-08-2013, 02:58 PM   #10334
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No need to wait until the track day to put the new lens through its paces! My own 70-200 is my go-to for most of my regular automotive work
You're right! I guess 13 inches of snow is a good time to play with the new lens!




Here is a cooler toned version as well. I like both





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Old 03-10-2013, 09:39 PM   #10335
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You're welcome! Yeah, on the first photo I"d say the angle is a bit too much. It actually might not be so bad if the car was on the right side of the frame, but because it's on the left side and it's facing left, it looks like the car's on its way to fall out of the frame. Remember, generally you want to have the car look like it's coming into the frame rather than leaving it, since people's eyes tend to follow the perceived path that the car is taking.

The night shot definitely has better white balance, but you've got another problem that often happens with night shots -- uneven lighting. The front of the car in particular is a lot darker than the rest of the car since the main light is to the rear of the driver's side. To fix this, most people either position the car so that more even light hits the car, use their own artificial lighting (strobes or light painting) or get really creative (often too much) with post-processing. Either way though, nothing quite replaces a big ball of fire 93 million miles away, especially in terms of making things look natural.

Wow... I never would have thought of the car looking like its falling out of the frame. I knew something didn't quite look right, but couldn't quite put my finger on it. Great suggestion, Thank you!

I promise this is my last night shot without proper lighting... I realize there are so many things wrong with this photo (cars growing trees, composition, lighting, etc.), but my question is particularly about photographing headlights and making them look natural. It seems even with a smaller f-stop (high number), I get quite a glare from the lights as a result of trying to properly expose the rest of my subject. Any suggestions to this effect?


My other question relates to depth of field. I was expecting the trees in the background on this one to be much blurrier compared to the car. Is it perhaps too much backlight?


I was going more for something like this. The fencing in the background of this one is much closer to the car than the trees in the one above. How can I better control my depth of field?


Any other suggestions about how I could have better shot the second two? I think its time for a polarizer

Thanks as always!
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Old 03-10-2013, 10:42 PM   #10336
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Took some pictures of my buddies 5.0 today, let me know what you guys think!


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Old 03-10-2013, 11:24 PM   #10337
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Nice background choice! Much more interesting that mine lol.
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:40 AM   #10338
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Nice background choice! Much more interesting that mine lol.
Thanks man, I appreciate it. I actually found that spot when I was driving through town with my wife and decided I wanted to do a shoot there. It was pretty difficult managing reflections though. There's a busy road that runs on both side of that building, one of which was behind me so trying to make sure to take my time as to not capture a stray car driving by was definitely new. I would've loved to be able to get further back and blow the backgroud out but there was a rather large hill behind me and a bunch of obstructions that wouldn't allow for it. I still think they turned out pretty good though.
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Wow... I never would have thought of the car looking like its falling out of the frame. I knew something didn't quite look right, but couldn't quite put my finger on it. Great suggestion, Thank you!

I promise this is my last night shot without proper lighting... I realize there are so many things wrong with this photo (cars growing trees, composition, lighting, etc.), but my question is particularly about photographing headlights and making them look natural. It seems even with a smaller f-stop (high number), I get quite a glare from the lights as a result of trying to properly expose the rest of my subject. Any suggestions to this effect?


My other question relates to depth of field. I was expecting the trees in the background on this one to be much blurrier compared to the car. Is it perhaps too much backlight?


I was going more for something like this. The fencing in the background of this one is much closer to the car than the trees in the one above. How can I better control my depth of field?


Any other suggestions about how I could have better shot the second two? I think its time for a polarizer

Thanks as always!
headlights are tricky, at night i find myself snapping one photo of the car exposed right, then the headlights exposed right then you' just put the two together...otherwise just try to make sure that the lights are beaming right at the camera and you should be okay. another way is to close the aperture and slow the shutter down to get the most light you can in..

here are some of my best attempts, still not perfect but the angle effects it ALOT. also if you dont have a tripod at night just dont bother this was at a very low shutter speed and it was foggy out.



as for depth of field. well what aperture are you at?

lastly, try not to make the care the entire frame.
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I promise this is my last night shot without proper lighting... I realize there are so many things wrong with this photo (cars growing trees, composition, lighting, etc.), but my question is particularly about photographing headlights and making them look natural. It seems even with a smaller f-stop (high number), I get quite a glare from the lights as a result of trying to properly expose the rest of my subject. Any suggestions to this effect?

Thanks as always!
If you have a tripod and (ideally) a shutter remote of some variety, you could just dial your camera over to M, keep your ISO down around 200-ish, open up your shutter, walk over to the cars - either have the driver's side window already rolled down or open the door - turn the lights on for a quick flash, turn them off, close the door, walk over to the next car, repeat.

If you don't have a shutter remote you can just set your timer to 20 or 30 secs and be quick about moving from one car to the next. But, remotes can be had for cheap and they are so useful, both day and night. I highly recommend having one.

Anyway, that's just my method to my madness. Everyone figures something out. Part of why I do it this way is that I know I'm not going home to photoshop so everything I want in my photo pretty much has to be captured in-camera, in a single exposure. I'm sure that after some trial and error you'll sort something out that works for you.
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:25 PM   #10341
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Thanks man, I appreciate it. I actually found that spot when I was driving through town with my wife and decided I wanted to do a shoot there. It was pretty difficult managing reflections though. There's a busy road that runs on both side of that building, one of which was behind me so trying to make sure to take my time as to not capture a stray car driving by was definitely new. I would've loved to be able to get further back and blow the backgroud out but there was a rather large hill behind me and a bunch of obstructions that wouldn't allow for it. I still think they turned out pretty good though.
No problem man! Ya I definitely think they turned out good. I'd love to find a few cool places like that to take a few shots. If I could offer one suggestion, it would be to get the shot from a little lower and try to avoid having the car painted on the wall look like its driving on the Mustang's windshield. I'm no professional, but for me, it takes my attention away from your subject. I'd like to see what you can come up with.
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:29 PM   #10342
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headlights are tricky, at night i find myself snapping one photo of the car exposed right, then the headlights exposed right then you' just put the two together...otherwise just try to make sure that the lights are beaming right at the camera and you should be okay. another way is to close the aperture and slow the shutter down to get the most light you can in..

here are some of my best attempts, still not perfect but the angle effects it ALOT. also if you dont have a tripod at night just dont bother this was at a very low shutter speed and it was foggy out.


as for depth of field. well what aperture are you at?

lastly, try not to make the care the entire frame.
Awesome shot! I definitely want to give this another try! Thanks for the advice! My tripod isn't the greatest, but if I shoot with a 2 second delay, I can usually get something decent.

My aperture was around 4.0-5.6 for those shots.
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:34 PM   #10343
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If you have a tripod and (ideally) a shutter remote of some variety, you could just dial your camera over to M, keep your ISO down around 200-ish, open up your shutter, walk over to the cars - either have the driver's side window already rolled down or open the door - turn the lights on for a quick flash, turn them off, close the door, walk over to the next car, repeat.

If you don't have a shutter remote you can just set your timer to 20 or 30 secs and be quick about moving from one car to the next. But, remotes can be had for cheap and they are so useful, both day and night. I highly recommend having one.

Anyway, that's just my method to my madness. Everyone figures something out. Part of why I do it this way is that I know I'm not going home to photoshop so everything I want in my photo pretty much has to be captured in-camera, in a single exposure. I'm sure that after some trial and error you'll sort something out that works for you.

Thanks Red. I'll give this a try too and see what I can come up with. Unfortunately, my 1000D won't work with a wireless remote. So it looks like I'll be running around like an idiot from car to car lol. Or I'll just make people sit in the cars to turn the lights on.
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:13 PM   #10344
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No problem man! Ya I definitely think they turned out good. I'd love to find a few cool places like that to take a few shots. If I could offer one suggestion, it would be to get the shot from a little lower and try to avoid having the car painted on the wall look like its driving on the Mustang's windshield. I'm no professional, but for me, it takes my attention away from your subject. I'd like to see what you can come up with.
Thanks again for the compliment! Yeah there's some pretty cool spots out here in the DFW area, the problem is this area is so huge it just takes a while to find them. I actually had my tripod bottomed out for some of the shots, but to be honest I could use a new one as it's just a cheap tripod that I bought to take with me when I travel. I also noticed the ghostbustermobile shooting out of the windshield after taking the shots, but I still don't think they turned out too bad. I'll definitely be going back to that spot and some others that I found as well, hopefully I'll have some results again soon.
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Awesome shot! I definitely want to give this another try! Thanks for the advice! My tripod isn't the greatest, but if I shoot with a 2 second delay, I can usually get something decent.

My aperture was around 4.0-5.6 for those shots.
yupp set to a delay and you should have minimal shake, just dont go jumping around.

and their's your problem. if you want those shallow DOF shots you gotta go to a lower aperture. 4.0f just wont get you those results.
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Thanks Red. I'll give this a try too and see what I can come up with. Unfortunately, my 1000D won't work with a wireless remote. So it looks like I'll be running around like an idiot from car to car lol. Or I'll just make people sit in the cars to turn the lights on.
Wired ones work just as well - you just have to run back to your camera to turn it off. Quick search "shutter remote 1000D", results starting around 5$. Got some wireless results back as well.
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You're right! I guess 13 inches of snow is a good time to play with the new lens!


Here is a cooler toned version as well. I like both
The new lens is treating you well! I'm torn on if I like the warmer or cooler version of the first shot, they're both very good. You are just a tiny bit off center though, just based on the center line going from the tip of the antenna to the Subaru badge on your grille. You did really well with the overall exposure for both of them, since the snow isn't blown out or anything.
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Wow... I never would have thought of the car looking like its falling out of the frame. I knew something didn't quite look right, but couldn't quite put my finger on it. Great suggestion, Thank you!

I promise this is my last night shot without proper lighting... I realize there are so many things wrong with this photo (cars growing trees, composition, lighting, etc.), but my question is particularly about photographing headlights and making them look natural. It seems even with a smaller f-stop (high number), I get quite a glare from the lights as a result of trying to properly expose the rest of my subject. Any suggestions to this effect?
Sure thing! As far as this night shot goes, it's important to take a step back and think about what you're asking your camera to do. You've got a dark scene overall, and then headlights that are the complete opposite of it. If you were just to look at a car in the headlights just your own two eyes, what happens? Given how dark it is, you end up squinting in order to make out details, but even then you can't really make out everything. This is taken more to an extreme when you try to do this with a camera. You can think of stopping down/making the aperture smaller as squinting, but then you've got a camera sensor that's nowhere near as sensitive as our own retinas. Thus, what you're asking for is pretty much impossible with one single exposure.

The trick most photographers do is take multiple exposures: one for the overall scene, and one to get the details from the headlights correct. Another trick is to just take a photo without the headlights on, and instead turn them on in post-processing. This other way is obviously the more complicated of the two. Either way though, you're more-or-less asking the impossible from your camera, especially if your own eyes can't do it.


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My other question relates to depth of field. I was expecting the trees in the background on this one to be much blurrier compared to the car. Is it perhaps too much backlight?

I was going more for something like this. The fencing in the background of this one is much closer to the car than the trees in the one above. How can I better control my depth of field?

Any other suggestions about how I could have better shot the second two? I think its time for a polarizer

Thanks as always!
Well, since there's no EXIF attached to either image, I can't say for sure, but it looks like you shot at a wider angle in the first shot compared to zooming in more on the second shot. Remember, DOF is affected by your aperture settings AND your focal length. The longer the focal length, the thinner you can get with your DOF. Shooting at wide angle, it's much more difficult to isolate a subject with a thin DOF, since you'd need the right hardware to make it work. Generally speaking, you'd need to be using a camera with a full frame sensor and an aperture of É2.8 or wider.

As far as improving the last two shots, I'd say the composition is a little too tightly cropped overall, and I'd probably prefer to see more sky instead of concrete since it's more interesting.
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Love the background! The first shot is a bit too up close and personal, since the lens distortion is making the car look a bit weird. Your third shot is composed well, but I think there's just a bit too much angle to it. The second shot is your strongest of the three, but I'd say the car is a bit too centered vertically and I might just straighten it in accordance to the background.

Overall though, I think your exposure is a little too dark for all three shots. The last shot comes closest to being correct, but even the white ghost in the background really isn't very white. I would venture to guess that the histogram on each of these three shots don't have very many peaks on the right (white) side of it.
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Love the background! The first shot is a bit too up close and personal, since the lens distortion is making the car look a bit weird. Your third shot is composed well, but I think there's just a bit too much angle to it. The second shot is your strongest of the three, but I'd say the car is a bit too centered vertically and I might just straighten it in accordance to the background.

Overall though, I think your exposure is a little too dark for all three shots. The last shot comes closest to being correct, but even the white ghost in the background really isn't very white. I would venture to guess that the histogram on each of these three shots don't have very many peaks on the right (white) side of it.
Thanks for the feedback, it's greatly appreciated. I was a bit torn with the first shot but I decided I liked it so I kept it. I can definitely understand the too up close and personal part of what you're saying though.

As for the angle, I'm definitely new to adding angle to my pictures so I'll remember to dial that down next time in PP. I'll play around with the picture some more in PS and see what I can get as far as straightening it out as well and also play with the exposure to see what I can get.

My camera was being a bit weird, I say that because I shot all of these in aperture priority mode and some were REALLY over exposed and some were pefect straight out of the camera, with minor adjustments to sharpness etc.

The thing about the whiteness is the white really wasn't that vibrant on the wall either. The wall art is actually on the side of someone's house and who knows how long it's been there. Like I said though, I'll keep playing with the pics and see what I can turn up. Again, thank you for the feedback!
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