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Old 08-19-2004, 12:36 AM   #26
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A brand new car doesn't require a yearly $30 emissions test, or, for that matter, a yearly $20 safety inspection. It really makes me not so happy, to say the least..
Um you know when you buy a new car you pay for the state inspection/emissions test . In PA it's part of the pre-delivery inspection. Even though you think it's a free-bee you still pay for it....

Now i feel the whole OBD2 emissions test is a scam (and i have to do them every day)...but they come down to if the CEL is on your car "should" fail the tailpipe test. Now have i ran 96-up cars on the old machine with a CEL and they passed(before this whole OBD2 crap went into effect)....yes..But i also can if i needed to get my 5.slow big cammed rich as can be at idle with no cats to pass the "sniffer" test...Having no cats is a federal no no..But with the OBD2 "scan" if your car goes through and passes i could give a crap if it has cats or a cel fix...The state never updated the recertification classes since the last updated sniffer test so ..The new machines don't ask to verify that all the emissions equipmet is hooked up IN ENHANCED EMISSIONS countys.

The state charges me to get an emissions licence(IIRC$40 every 2 years),they charge my work $4.15 to make a phone call for each test,and the new OBD2 machine cost my work $7000....Now to put in prospective what i make hooking up your car to the new or old machine $4.65 .... I think at work we charge like $24.00 for a test ...

Now the emissions program is crap in PA if you ask me ..Having safty inspections i agree with ..I've seen some scary things come in for safty inspection.

IDK the state needed funding they adopt the OBD2 test ...they win..and in some ways we win/lose depending on how you look at it....Catless 02-03's with cel fixes pass .Catless MY04- throws a P0139 and fails well as of right now i have till the end of sept to get past that.
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Old 08-19-2004, 07:25 AM   #27
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Sorry, I phrased that poorly - a brand new car, does by law require a safety inspection and an emissions test - but there's no reason to perform those tests other than another stealth tax. Does a 2005 STI fresh off the lot REALLY need to be inspected for safety and emissions? That's what I was trying to get across - there's no reason to perform these tests on a new car, or even a car that's a year or two old.

And you bring up a good point, the shops doing the emissions testing DON'T make much money off them - the shop I'm associated with had a $450 MCI bill last month - since MCI charges ~$4.15 per call for each time the modem on the emissions testing machine dials out. Who's making out here? Just like with safety inspections, it's the state that picking your pocket. Garages LOVE the safety inspection, because it brings a great deal of money into the shop. Emissions tests, on the other hand, only really benefit the state - the shop that does the work rarely picks up the volume of work that the safety inspection generates.

It's a racket, whaddya gonna do?
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Old 03-10-2013, 05:24 PM   #28
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After reading some of these posts, I am curious as to what would happen if you took an ECU off of a car that is 100% and put it on your car right before the test, what would happen. I guess it would reset and u would be screwed, but it was just a random thought. Haha.
I'm trying to figure out if a 95 Impreza lx with the OBD2 port has to only do.the sniffer because its a 95, or if it has to do the obd test since it has the port. Most say that it just has to do the sniffer. I hope that's right cuz I'm about to buy one. Lol
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Old 03-10-2013, 05:26 PM   #29
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After reading some of these posts, I am curious as to what would happen if you took an ECU off of a car that is 100% and put it on your car right before the test, what would happen. I guess it would reset and u would be screwed, but it was just a random thought. Haha.
I'm trying to figure out if a 95 Impreza lx with the OBD2 port has to only do.the sniffer because its a 95, or if it has to do the obd test since it has the port. Most say that it just has to do the sniffer. I hope that's right cuz I'm about to buy one. Lol
95 gets a sniffer test if your in Philly region otherwise it gets a visual check to make sure everything and there and a gas cap test
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:23 PM   #30
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I'm from jersey so not sure of the differences. I bought a fraudulent sticker years ago because I figured my racecar would never pass. Went fine till two weeks ago, I got pulled over. The officer told me he could tell it was fake. I don't argue, he took a picture and scrapped it off. Gave me a 500$ ticket for fraudulent inspection. I asked him how he knew it was fake. He said the color was wrong. Essentially he was fishing because the color was correct. So he told me that if I go through inspection before my court date, pass or fail, the prosecuted would drop it down to 150$ for failure to inspect. So I went into my COBB and unchecked monitor system readiness. Took it through a state facility. They have a camera that you drive over to look at your exhaust. The car is fully built for race so no cats no rear o2. But I do have a wideband in place of a rear o2. Car is cam'd out and idle reflects that. 1300cc injectors. They hook up obd2 and check readiness while staring at my exhaust on a HD camera. The next guy can't even get the car started. I yell...give it some gas! Starts up...pulls it up to me and gives me a new sticker. I'm amazed to say the least. If the ecu says my rear o2 is working, then my cats must be working...
No codes...car is working right. NJ is looking for ecu readiness...that's it. And I fooled NJ by unchecking a box in my ROM.

To finish the story, I go to court the following week. I present my past inspection from a state agency and the prosecuted agrees to lower the fine from 500$ to 100$ for failure to inspect. I agree...to plead guilty.

In front of the judge I explain that I didn't know the sticker was fraudulent, but being responsible for the car I accept the guilty charge. He then explains that fraudulent stickers have become an epidemic and that shops sell stickers just to get paid. He then lowered my fine from 100$ to 50$ plus court cost...33$. I paid the ticket.

I thought I was gonna have to part out. I am a happy Subaru owner.
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