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Old 03-12-2013, 11:33 AM   #101
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:45 PM   #102
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Old 03-13-2013, 01:03 PM   #103
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Have the ratios been decided upon yet?
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Old 03-19-2013, 07:27 PM   #104
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Cost been decided upon?
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Old 03-23-2013, 11:41 AM   #105
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Based upon the other thread for the dogbox gearsets it looks like we synchro'd guys wont be seeing these until fall this year. This makes me sad. Might have to go another route so I can compete in autoX this year.
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Old 03-23-2013, 12:05 PM   #106
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Have the ratios been decided upon yet?
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Based upon the other thread for the dogbox gearsets it looks like we synchro'd guys wont be seeing these until fall this year. This makes me sad. Might have to go another route so I can compete in autoX this year.
They won't be done for a bit, with a complete redesign I was told 6-8 months for engineering and production.

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Old 03-23-2013, 02:32 PM   #107
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found you on facebook, phil...and i have been spreading the word about these trannies.

expectations are high.
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:49 PM   #108
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found you on facebook, phil...and i have been spreading the word about these trannies.

expectations are high.


I've been here the whole time,

Don't tell everyone what weird stuff you're into

Thanks Jake!

I'll give you the same deal I gave Ron (unagoober) Sell 6 units get one free!


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Old 03-25-2013, 08:42 AM   #109
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So, is there going to be a website that will have this information?

I currently run a PPG dogbox since 2003. But I would be interested in a synchro'd option. I'm getting old.

But I can't possibly believe that having a helical cut gear would be a good idea. I witnessed what happened to others helical PPG dogboxes, it wasn't pretty.

I'm interested in the specs, ratios, options, and price. FWIW - I wouldn't make the ratios any shorter than OEM. That's the only good thing the 5-speed has over the 6-speed.
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Old 03-25-2013, 11:10 AM   #110
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I wouldn't make the ratios any shorter than OEM. That's the only good thing the 5-speed has over the 6-speed.
And that statement is only true for someone going in a straight line.

For road course, hill climb, time trials, etc; I'd want a stretch first and a tighter 2-5 stack...still ending around the same fifth gear ratio. This allows the gear stack to shift into more overlapped ratios if used gears, as who uses first gear anyway for these events?!

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Old 03-25-2013, 01:12 PM   #111
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I do go in a straight line! Hahaha

I would be okay as long as the 4th gear was 1:1
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:11 PM   #112
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I do go in a straight line! Hahaha

I would be okay as long as the 4th gear was 1:1
Exactly, which is the same as the fifth (well 1.02) in 6-spd. Put the fifth gear as a .82 or .84.
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Old 03-26-2013, 05:58 PM   #113
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I think a tall first is a pretty universal desire
5th in the 0.82 range makes sense, as anyone who wants to give up a strong 5th for MPGs can use stock 5th, which opens up the market a bit for what is bound to be a pretty low volume product.

The other ratios probably become pretty much limited by what's strong for the given spacing. There's only so many possible tooth counts.

That gives everything a 5 speed can give. It leaves out autocrossers who might want a short 1st or 2nd, but it's not too hard to get ahold of a used Forester 4.44 final tranny / diff to fix that.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:18 AM   #114
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Unless you break your's and need a stronger gear set...
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:01 AM   #115
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Unless you break your's and need a stronger gear set...
And this comment is in response to...?
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:42 PM   #116
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I own a FXT and broke my trans. I autoX so I'd like to keep the ratios short for my next gear set too.
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:40 PM   #117
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All ratios are short with a 4.444...



You don't really need to downshift to 1st ever do you? If not, a tall 1st, similar 2nd is a good thing. I have a FXT box too. I can't imagine needing a much shorter 2nd, but I would like a 3.0-3.2 1st instead of the 3.45 just so the shift to 2nd isn't quite so huge.

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Old 03-29-2013, 07:01 AM   #118
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Last AutoX I went to I was in my WRX and down shifted into 1st twice during my runs. Didnt get the chance to take the FXT before it's trans gave up 3-4-5.
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3.7 and 3.9 final WRX trannys are definitely too tall for autox, but 4.444 is a huge improvement by itself.

I'm not sure I'd expect a 5 speed gearset with RA type ratios to have much demand when there are so many importers with JDM 6 speeds available that fill that niche cheaper. The 5 speed niche is it's gearing, 6 speeds can get similar gearing, but that takes more money than a built 5 speed.
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Old 04-14-2013, 10:24 AM   #121
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3.7 and 3.9 final WRX trannys are definitely too tall for autox, but 4.444 is a huge improvement by itself.

I'm not sure I'd expect a 5 speed gearset with RA type ratios to have much demand when there are so many importers with JDM 6 speeds available that fill that niche cheaper. The 5 speed niche is it's gearing, 6 speeds can get similar gearing, but that takes more money than a built 5 speed.
+1^^^ swapped my ppg 5spd from 3.9-4.444 and NEVER looked back "was a DD/autox car, now being setup for hill climbs"

Swapped my forester 4.444 oem 5spd for a 08 6spd. "new DD/autox car" so far i love the gearing and have the SpecB 5th, 6th gears to highway driving is great. I havent have the chance too autox it with the new setup though.

Sorry too take this off topic. Ive been mentioning these new gears too everyone...

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Old 04-14-2013, 11:05 AM   #122
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I'm going to lunch with the M.E. possibly this week, if not when I get back from my honeymoon in Puerto Rico.

We're just waiting for the owner to sign off, we're still looking at Oct-Nov date, the main hang up is they have other jobs ahead of mine. A majority of the engineering has been done as far as measuring center distances, shaft size and case dimensions. ( the only way they are able to quote me so they know how much material, ect.

I promise as soon as there is a update it will be posted. I don't want to jump the gun here. I'm hoping to be at PRI in the EMCO booth showing off the Subaru stuff in DEC, I'll be there no matter what but possibly as a sales rep for my line. Still working those details out.

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+1^^^ swapped my ppg 5spd from 3.9-4.444 and NEVER looked back "was a DD/autox car, now being setup for hill climbs"

Swapped my forester 4.444 oem 5spd for a 08 6spd. "new DD/autox car" so far i love the gearing and have the SpecB 5th, 6th gears to highway driving is great. I havent have the chance too autox it with the new setup though.

Sorry too take this off topic. Ive been mentioning these new gears too everyone...

Ian,
After talking with Matt Monson and Micah the 3.90 is probably going to be the best option as the r180 in 3.90 are readily available. the 4.11 would be a great option too! I'll work with them on the ratios as soon as I get my final numbers. Gearing is going to play a role in overall strength of the gears as well so I want to make these as motorsport oriented as possible but keeping strength as one of the major priorities.

one step at a time here. With the EMCO stuff coming out, you will no longer have to sacrifice one thing for the other.

As these will be a complete gearbox. No ala carte billet selector fork options, transfer gear options, ect. All those items are included in one set price.

You guys are going to be blown away by the quality of these gears, I have now seen almost all aftermarket manufactures gear sets available for the Subaru and NONE of them compare to the actual exterior finish, of the EMCO Gears.

Smooth, mirror finish, no burring or sharp edges.




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I'm really looking forward to this release. I feel my stock 5speed gng to go soon. I have put a hold on any potential track runs to help save as much life but as my parts come in and power keeps gng up. This will be a great option as I think k the 5 speed with right gearing would be perfect for road course
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I have a 4.44 R180

So this weekend, since I'd never actually weighed them before, I decided to scale one of my 6-Spds vs a stock 02 WRX trans. They were 208 lbs and 125 lbs, respectively. Yes, an 83 lb difference, having weighed each of them twice with the same results.
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I can't Wait. Hopefully less than the Modena gear sets.
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