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Old 03-07-2013, 04:03 PM   #26
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I bet there are a ton of people out there that love the looks of the car but don't want to put their child in such a lightweight car with 200 HP.
Because power is so scary, what with the inability to modulate throttle via some mechanism and all...

What kind of overprotective parent are you?
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:10 PM   #27
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hybrid wouldn't be bad if it got 50mpg like the prius. You could drive a hybrid that you would actually want to be seen in.
Unless it drives like a prius too... who cares what it looks like.

Get 40 mpg and make the driving fun.
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:21 PM   #28
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Seriously, the fact that the auto FR-S (which gets better fuel mileage than the manual) is a slow seller should really highlight to someone at Toyota that the market for small sports cars with automatics and good gas mileage is a tiny niche not worth exploring.
Do you think the convertible will sell better as an auto or manual? I'd put my money on the auto.
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:46 PM   #29
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I just realized that we all need to stop talking about the possibility of a hybrid. They'll see it as buzz and it will just make them want to do it more.

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In addition to new sheetmetal, the refresh will bring about a more powerful version of the car that will utilize either a turbocharger, a supercharger or a potent hybrid drivetrain to squeeze every last pony out of the flat-four.
Potent sounds nice, but let's hope they remember this is a sports car and go with a turbo or supercharger. It sounds like Toyota is all about superchargers, but those can be rough in the MPG department, so.. we're screwed, hybrid.

I'd prefer strung out N/A but that doesn't play nicely with MPGs either.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:16 PM   #30
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Now.. a Scion tC with the Camry hybrid drivetrain would be a hot seller.
200hp and 40mpg would sell like crazy.

I'm pretty sure someone at Toyota product planning is on meth since they haven't put that fantastic 2.5L HSD into the Lexus CT.
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Old 03-08-2013, 12:36 AM   #31
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so.. we're screwed.
I vote twin-screwed.
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Old 03-08-2013, 08:29 AM   #32
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Old 03-08-2013, 08:36 AM   #33
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I vote twin-screwed.
The funniest thing about it is how I didn't intend the pun. I'm special like that.
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Old 03-08-2013, 10:25 AM   #34
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As you also can't make the assumption that the hybrid drive would weigh 400 lbs. Civic hybrid drive weighs ~100 lbs, the Camry hybrid drive weighs ~ 260 ish. Not unreasonable to assume Toyota would make every effort, like you stated to incorporate lightening to compensate for the hybrid drive. No reason why it couldn't weigh around 100-150 lbs.
Kers in F1 weighs about 75lbs and adds ~80hp...
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:39 PM   #35
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Updated OP with some new info from Tetsuya Tada. Shooting brake!?! Maybe!
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:43 PM   #36
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Shooting brake with a hybrid system. Sure, make a nice nimble grand tourer. That's fine, just make sure I can get my BRZ as is right now in the future.
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:48 PM   #37
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I'd love a shooting brake.
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Old 03-13-2013, 04:38 PM   #38
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I'd love a shooting brake.
I'd consider one, just not the FRS based design that has been published. It just looks bad. I'm hoping it was just a bad artist rendering.
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Old 03-13-2013, 05:02 PM   #39
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the current use by marketing of the term 'shooting brake' really roils my loins.

that being said, I wouldn't mind seeing a 2 door hatch version of this car, I don't think it would look all that awesome though. certainly the artists rendering I've seen looks not very good.
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Old 03-13-2013, 05:14 PM   #40
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the current use by marketing of the term 'shooting brake' really roils my loins.
It makes me want to chew glass and drink alcohol.
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Old 03-13-2013, 06:20 PM   #41
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No worse than the term "dry carbon"
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Old 03-14-2013, 12:37 AM   #42
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the current use by marketing of the term 'shooting brake' really roils my loins.
What do you object to?
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Old 03-14-2013, 01:12 AM   #43
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They can butcher the English language all they want since you guys do the same regardless.
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They can butcher the English language all they want since you guys do the same regardless.
I say that irregardless of the butchering of the English language.

Some marketing guy decides that shooting brake sounds more mysterious than hatchback.

I also get the sale illogical desire to punch kittens in the face when someone calls my 08 sti a hatchback.
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Old 03-14-2013, 09:00 AM   #45
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What would you call your '08 STI? A trunk less sedan?
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Old 03-14-2013, 10:48 AM   #46
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No worse than the term "dry carbon"
What's wrong with dry carbon? I thought it was the easiest way to describe prepreg carbon composite as opposed to "wet carbon".. where it's basically just a bunch of epoxy, maybe some fiberglass or kevlar and some carbon weave on the top layer.. What's a better term?
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Old 03-14-2013, 10:58 AM   #47
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I say that irregardless of the butchering of the English language.
I see what you did there, I hope.

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Some marketing guy decides that shooting brake sounds more mysterious than hatchback.

I also get the sale illogical desire to punch kittens in the face when someone calls my 08 sti a hatchback.
This is about as close to the correct definition of "shooting brake" as you can get a Toyobaru, assuming Tada's version would be similar:

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I see a 2 door hatch back. Why does it need another term? Does shooting brake refer to RWD? Does it refer to a long hood. It is just a stupid non descriptive term.

It like calling something like an X6, "oh that is a flying popscile"
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Old 03-14-2013, 11:12 AM   #49
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Agreed, shooting brake makes me think of nothing. I think "Clown Shoe" is more appropriate for 2 door hatches with long hoods, but we all obviously see why they didn't coin that one.
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Old 03-14-2013, 11:21 AM   #50
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I see a 2 door hatch back. Why does it need another term? Does shooting brake refer to RWD? Does it refer to a long hood. It is just a stupid non descriptive term.

It like calling something like an X6, "oh that is a flying popscile"
Hey if you want to put this

in the same bucket as this

Then that's cool. But no really, you're right, it's almost just an automotive colloquialism used by an individual to point out that they're classy folk.
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