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Old 03-11-2013, 09:57 AM   #151
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We're big fans of the turbocharged Ford Focus ST, and we're plenty excited that the Blue Oval will be offering a similar treatment on the smaller Fiesta here in the United States, too. We first saw the production-ready Fiesta ST five-door at the Los Angeles Auto Show last fall, and Ford has now released this video of a Euro-spec three-door ST being flung around the track.

But not just any track – the challenging Track 7 of Ford's Lommel Proving Grounds in Belgium. The course features 20 turns and plenty of elevation changes along its 2.7-mile loop, and David Put, a vehicle dynamic specialist at Ford, shows just how good the pint-sized Fiesta ST is at handling the lot, even getting the smallest ST up on three wheels every now and then.

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Old 03-15-2013, 02:00 AM   #152
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Wow I guess the uber-efficient europeans still like 3dr hatches... Hopefully I will be able to buy one of these...
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Yes, but with 5 doors.

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Old 03-15-2013, 12:08 PM   #154
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right... the churchlady look just isnt as big in Europe I guess.
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Old 03-15-2013, 12:23 PM   #155
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Yes, but with 5 doors.

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Which is rediculous since the Focus is already a tiny 5 door.. why would someone want something even smaller. 2 doors would make much more sense for the Fiesta ST buyer.
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Old 04-05-2013, 12:20 PM   #156
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April 01, 2013 / By Lawrence Ulrich


As host of the Cannes Film Festival, this city on France's Cote d'Azur is attuned to the pecking orders of stars. Ford, for its part, seemed to nail the lead role in hot hatches with last year's Focus ST, leaving little room for an understudy. But the Fiesta ST, when it premieres in America this August, will test the opening power of an action hatch on a smaller scale and budget.

After partying with the 197-hp Fiesta in the cinematic Alps above Cannes and Nice, the prevailing gossip may blow away Americans who assume the more powerful car is always better: It's the little Fiesta that proves the more, um, focused, fun-to-drive machine. Considering that the Focus ST rivals the VW GTI as the compact hatchback king, that's no idle flattery.

We had the advantage of back-to-back drives over three days in these Sports Technologies upgrades of the Fiesta and the Focus, something not afforded to any other journalists at this international launch. And the Fiesta instantly flaunted an edge in agility and sensation that's impossible to fake.


It helps to toss out nearly 500 pounds of performance-sapping ballast -- the vast spread between the 2754-pound Fiesta and the 3223-pound Focus. (That's for the four-door Fiesta that's exclusive to America. Europe's two-door version weighs about 130 fewer pounds.)

The door count, happily, is the only sop to marketing in U.S. showrooms: Euro and American Fiesta STs are blessedly identical in all key respects, including their stiffened spring and damper rates and 17-inch wheels and tires. Ford cites 19 more horses for the Yankee version, but only because it counts turbo overboost from the 1.6-liter Ecoboost engine. Available for 20 seconds at a throttle pop, at a max pressure of 1.45 bar (21 psi), that overboost is essentially the engine's full-time power anyway.

The ST toughens up the standard Fiesta with the signature, glowering grille of the Focus ST; a meaner chin spoiler and awning-sized roof spoiler; a sport steering wheel; alloy pedals; carbon-fiber dash trim; illuminated door sills; and available extra-chunky Recaro seats. Unique colors include a winning Molten Orange. A rear fascia blackened to look like a diffuser is one objectionable bit of fakery.

The car hunkers 0.6 inch lower. New steering knuckles goose the steering ratio to 13.7:1, which is five percent quicker than the standard Fiesta. Rear disc brakes step in for workaday drums. Front brakes get larger 10.9-inch discs and there are higher-performing pads all around and an enlarged tandem brake master cylinder.

The twist-beam rear axle is 75 percent stiffer. A six-speed manual transmission -- with a shorter throw than the Focus ST -- is take-it-or-leave-it. The Fiesta also adopts the Focus's brake-based Torque Vectoring Control, an electronic limited slip differential, and Sound Symposer. The latter plucks useful frequencies from the intake manifold and sends them through a firewall port into the cabin.

With 214 lb-ft of torque -- 7 more than the mighty-yet-pricey Mini JCW -- the ST feels wound-up, eager, and flexible. The raspy demon hustled up roller-coaster-steep hairpins -- that would have forced many subcompacts to grab first -- in second gear. Ford says the Fiesta tops out at 138 mph and takes 6.9 seconds to scoot from 0 to 100 kph (62 mph). That acceleration figure seems conservative. But, yes, the Focus ST is at least half a second quicker to 60 mph.


Straight lines were laughably irrelevant along the famous Route Napoleon. The gut-clenching route, including arched tunnels bored through cliff sides, has been featured in Bond films and car ads. Here, the Fiesta dug in and charged with the daring and nimbleness of a mountaineer. The Focus traveled at least as fast, but it felt somewhat less willing to sling through corners and meld with its pilot.

Tyrone Johnson, engineering manager for Europe's Team RS, goes way back at Ford, having toiled on the first SVT Cobra in '91 before leading tech for Ford's F1 and World Rally programs. Surprisingly perhaps, Johnson and other Ford honchos admit a preference for the little underdog.

"We certainly like what we did with the Focus," Johnson says. "But with the Fiesta, we went a little further."

The Fiesta has benefited from ongoing learning, including the equivalent of 100 laps on the Nürburgring Nordschleife. Compared with the Focus, Ford baked in more roll stabilization decoupling, a fancy way of saying that the Fiesta transfers more weight to its rear under cornering. In tandem with torque vectoring, the weight transfer helps the Fiesta resist understeer and pivot like a pro. A three-mode stability system includes a Sport setting, with torque vectoring operable even with ESC shut off.

Rolling through Grasse, the center of the world's perfume industry, the Fiesta did reveal a whiff of head toss, creating suspicion over how smoothly it will manage the meaner streets of Detroit or New York. The Fiesta's clutch feels lighter than its big brother's, although take-up can be abrupt in first gear. There's also less torque steer than in the 254-hp Focus.

In action-movie terms, the Focus ST is Jason Statham, a compact gorilla. The Fiesta is Jackie Chan -- slender and seemingly friendlier, but with more lethal moves and technique. Or, consider the Fiesta a Mini for people with a life, with a genuinely useful back seat and cargo space. The $22,195 base price feels eminently fair. For certain power- and space-conscious Americans, however, the Focus ST will seem well worth its $2300 premium.

Ford's hot co-stars raise an interesting choice. Will it be the Focus ST, with more style, power, space, and features? Or the more spritely, still-quick Fiesta, a choice that keeps a few grand in your rocketing pocket? Fortunately, there's no wrong answer.



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Old 05-22-2013, 01:42 PM   #158
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^^ It's a glowing review for the 3-dr Fiesta ST. Hopefully, the 5-dr Fiesta ST we're getting here is just as good. It seems like the Clio RS needs to shape up.
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Sounds like they've created a great car. My only disappointing so far is the pricing. It's $24k with Recaros and that's frankly a bit steep. I think I'll wait and find out pricing on the MK7 GTI..
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I would buy an awd 3 door fiesta st in a minute. Even in fwd, if three doors, sounds mighty attractive.
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Old 05-22-2013, 06:01 PM   #162
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I wish they had these back when I was in high school.. would have taken it over my 2.5RS in a heartbeat.
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I'll definitely be test driving one of these when they're available stateside. I'd actually rather have a 5 door than 3 door, just because I always put things in the back seat and it'd be a pain having to always push the front seat up to do so.
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God, why is this car so heavy? The Mazda 2 which is almost the twin of the Fiesta is 2300 pounds. I can almost see the point of the 5 door but at 24k? Why in the world would you buy this over a FRS or GTI? Both will be superior in just about every way. This car really needs to be priced closer to 20k.

And I love how Ford can make a FWD 200hp 2700 pound car and everyone is like "Brilliant!" Subaru does the same with world class handling and this forum says "NO PWR! FAIL!!!"
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God, why is this car so heavy? The Mazda 2 which is almost the twin of the Fiesta is 2300 pounds. I can almost see the point of the 5 door but at 24k? Why in the world would you buy this over a FRS or GTI? Both will be superior in just about every way. This car really needs to be priced closer to 20k.

And I love how Ford can make a FWD 200hp 2700 pound car and everyone is like "Brilliant!" Subaru does the same with world class handling and this forum says "NO PWR! FAIL!!!"
You talking about a basic Mazda 2 with little 15" wheels & 185 tires, 1.5L NA engine with little options and creature comforts (there are nothing in these cars as they are 300 lbs lighter than a base Fiesta or Honda Fit) and comparing it to a different car that shares the chassis in the Fiesta ST that comes with 17" wheels and 205 summer tires, larger turbocharged and intercooled engine, larger rear beam axle, Recaro seats and fully loaded interior with NAV.

AND YOU ARE STUNNED THE FIESTA IS HEAVIER???????

Some of you really need to read your posts and think long and hard before you press 'Submit Reply' because either you just don't understand cars or you really didn't think that there are a lot of differences between the two cars.

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You talking about a basic Mazda 2 with little 15" wheels & 185 tires, 1.5L NA engine with little options and creature comforts (there are nothing in these cars as they are 300 lbs lighter than a base Fiesta or Honda Fit) and comparing it to a different car that shares the chassis in the Fiesta ST that comes with 17" wheels and 205 summer tires, larger turbocharged and intercooled engine, larger rear beam axle, Recaro seats and fully loaded interior with NAV.

AND YOU ARE STUNNED THE FIESTA IS HEAVIER???????

Some of you really need to read your posts and think long and hard before you press 'Submit Reply' because either you just don't understand cars or you really didn't think that there are a lot of differences between the two cars.
Not just heavier... 475+ pounds heavier. Don't kid yourself, seats, tires, stereo equipment don't have to weigh a ton. Thats maybe 50 pounds total difference. The Mazda 2 is a joy to drive but lacks power. Cars like these just need a modest boost of power and perhaps less weight. This fiesta is way over weight. If its all up front in the engine...well that sounds like a real winning formula.

Yeah. I'm STUNNED this fiesta weighs almost 500 pounds more than the Mazda 2 which shares its chassis. 500 pounds is a lot in a pea sized car.
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I have sat in a mazda 2, there is not much in there. A few pieces of plastic, some cardboard, a handful of clips, and some adhesive.
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Not just heavier... 475+ pounds heavier. Don't kid yourself, seats, tires, stereo equipment don't have to weigh a ton. Thats maybe 50 pounds total difference. The Mazda 2 is a joy to drive but lacks power. Cars like these just need a modest boost of power and perhaps less weight. This fiesta is way over weight. If its all up front in the engine...well that sounds like a real winning formula.

Yeah. I'm STUNNED this fiesta weighs almost 500 pounds more than the Mazda 2 which shares its chassis. 500 pounds is a lot in a pea sized car.
It's pretty obvious that the Ford version of the car even in it's most basic form comes with more equipment and sound deadening than the Mazda 2 which is a stripper car. With the ST you probably looking at an extra 100 lbs just in the wheels and tires and I'm willing to bet close to 100 lbs gained from the engine and transmission. Bottom line is that they aren't going to go aluminum or carbon fibre on a car at this price and scope. If Ford used a bunch of custom aluminum parts, added forged wheels to keep the weight close to the base car it would end costing as much or more as the Focus ST and then people would be complaining about that and nobody would buy it. You simply can't ahve it all at this price point.
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It's pretty obvious that the Ford version of the car even in it's most basic form comes with more equipment and sound deadening than the Mazda 2 which is a stripper car. With the ST you probably looking at an extra 100 lbs just in the wheels and tires and I'm willing to bet close to 100 lbs gained from the engine and transmission. Bottom line is that they aren't going to go aluminum or carbon fibre on a car at this price and scope. If Ford used a bunch of custom aluminum parts, added forged wheels to keep the weight close to the base car it would end costing as much or more as the Focus ST and then people would be complaining about that and nobody would buy it. You simply can't ahve it all at this price point.
$25,000 for a fiesta better damn well come close. That's WRX/FRS/GTI money which are all way more car. I don't know who in their right mind pays that much for this car. This car is basically an Abarth without any of the cuteness. It will fail unless it's cheaper or better performing.
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I $25k? I wish it would be cheaper. It's a Fiesta. The Focus ST is not much more.

I actually don't mind getting one, but gotta be a few grand cheaper.
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Fiesta and Mazda2 share a platform, not a chassis. Aside from suspension hardpoints and a couple of bolts, they are completely different.

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$25,000 for a fiesta better damn well come close. That's WRX/FRS/GTI money which are all way more car. I don't know who in their right mind pays that much for this car. This car is basically an Abarth without any of the cuteness. It will fail unless it's cheaper or better performing.
Ford isn't hanging any hopes on the Fiesta ST and has indicated that annual sales of 10K units would be considered a small miracle.

I'd buy the Fiesta ST over the base Focus ST if it weren't for the craptastic MFT being standard kit in the Fiesta.

As others have mentioned previously, Ford needs a trackslut version of the Fiesta ST for ~$24K: put in a real LSD and spare us the glitchy electronics.
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Fiesta and Mazda2 share a platform, not a chassis. Aside from suspension hardpoints and a couple of bolts, they are completely different.



Ford isn't hanging any hopes on the Fiesta ST and has indicated that annual sales of 10K units would be considered a small miracle.

I'd buy the Fiesta ST over the base Focus ST if it weren't for the craptastic MFT being standard kit in the Fiesta.

As others have mentioned previously, Ford needs a trackslut version of the Fiesta ST for ~$24K: put in a real LSD and spare us the glitchy electronics.
You would really pick a trackslut Fiesta ST for 24k over a FRS? The hate for the twins in this forum is so strong it just boggles the mind. I guess I'm just mad mazda never did a proper MS2 since I used to own a Mazda 2 and felt that car was severely underrated. The Fiesta always felt like the inferior car to me after driving them back to back many times. Now ford is just mucking it up more by making it more heavy and expensive and gimmicky.

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If you had $24k to spend on a streetable FWD track car, you'd be a fool not to build a used bare bones MINI Cooper S. It already has aftermarket support.

The Focus ST didn't even have track pads available until 2 weeks ago... and consumable parts from Ford for the Focus ST aren't even readily available. There's no way I'd buy a Fiesta ST for a track car until there's at least a page of parts in Ford Racing's catalog & inventory.
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If you had $24k to spend on a streetable FWD track car, you'd be a fool not to build a used bare bones MINI Cooper S. It already has aftermarket support.

The Focus ST didn't even have track pads available until 2 weeks ago... and consumable parts from Ford for the Focus ST aren't even readily available. There's no way I'd buy a Fiesta ST for a track car until there's at least a page of parts in Ford Racing's catalog & inventory.
Talking about these as track cars is pretty silly in general. A street car you take to the track a few times a year, maybe. But it's not really a platform people are going to look at and want to turn into a real track car. Enthusiasts are a niche market. Enthusiasts who bring their cars to race tracks are a niche within a niche. Yet that's what conversations always devolve to, even in FWD hatchbacks, because "ZOMG lap times!"
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You would really pick a trackslut Fiesta ST for 24k over a FRS? The hate for the twins in this forum is so strong it just boggles the mind. I guess I'm just mad mazda never did a proper MS2 since I used to own a Mazda 2 and felt that car was severely underrated. The Fiesta always felt like the inferior car to me after driving them back to back many times. Now ford is just mucking it up more by making it more heavy and expensive and gimmicky.


Where did I mention my preference for a fiesta ST over a BRZ/FRS?

Indeed, your mind is seriously boggled.

I don't dislike the "twins." In fact, I have a great appreciation for them. But if I'm going to own a small, impractical coupe that won't see regular Winter use, it's my preference that it be a roadster. Hence, I own a Miata.

Since you haven't driven the Fiesta ST, perhaps you should reserve judgement regarding the "gimmicky" nature of the performance enhancements.
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