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View Poll Results: Year/model of the car the failure happened
04 STI 30 10.95%
05 STI 17 6.20%
06 STI 81 29.56%
07 STI 20 7.30%
08 STI 10 3.65%
05 LGT 4 1.46%
06 LGT 8 2.92%
07 LGT 3 1.09%
08 LGT 0 0%
02-05 WRX 54 19.71%
06 WRX 17 6.20%
07 WRX 11 4.01%
08 WRX 8 2.92%
04-08 FXT 11 4.01%
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:25 PM   #651
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Is there any truth to the newer cars (2012 WRXs) using a different pickup?
Nope, they are exactly the same from 2006 to the current 2012 model.

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Sigh. Cracked pickup took my entire motor and turbo with it. After litigation, Subaru being the pain in the butt finally got me a complete longblock and turbo
My fellow enthusiast, you have accomplished a rare feat. Good job!
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:30 PM   #652
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Added on 2006 Legacy GT. 90k miles.

In addition to a new block, etc, KillerB will be installed.

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- year/model: 2006 Legacy GT
- mileage when the failure happened: 92k
- extent of the damage: Spun bearings
- whether Subaru handled it under warranty: Did not even TRY.
- any power mods (that Subaru did/could blame the failure on): VF52/TMIC/740cc Inj/up/down

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Old 06-27-2012, 06:31 PM   #653
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:27 PM   #654
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I installed the moroso pick up with the killer b baffle
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:17 PM   #655
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Damn you all! Scaring me into buying one of these.... I did the math, and even if only 10% of people report the failure on here in the most reported model (06 STi) that's still 670 failures out of how many vehicles? I'm thinking that it's around 15,000 for the STi which could be way wrong. That's a 4.5% failure rate - which is bad enough that Subaru should issue at least a TSB and redesign - but not so much that it should scare you from driving.

Oh well, it's ordered now and I'll put it in when doing my next oil change. Peace of mind. Looks like a great quality product.
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:53 PM   #656
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The failure rates are even less than that, but one of my customers put it really well... "The failure rate is small and insignificant, until it happens to me"

The 06 models used to be the most popular back when this thread was in full swing. As the car MYs gain mileage the failure rates climb. in the last 6 months or so we've seen lots of 08/09 in the 35-65K failure 'sweetspot'. For those unaware, the same pickup is used from 2006 to the current 2013 model.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:40 PM   #657
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Either way, it's ordered now. My 06 STi is in the sweetspot for failure currently and I'd rather have the piece of mind than a piece of the pickup tube.
Is it possible that we don't hear of many 07 STi tube failures because the engines were blowing on their own?
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:06 PM   #658
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Either way, it's ordered now. My 06 STi is in the sweetspot for failure currently and I'd rather have the piece of mind than a piece of the pickup tube.
Good point!

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Is it possible that we don't hear of many 07 STi tube failures because the engines were blowing on their own?
This thread has come in and out of popularioty more than a few times so the poles are biased as such, plus it only picks up those that come on nasioc and happen across the thread. I do know this... We've sold thousands of pickups, the majority of Subaru engine builders no longer use OEM oil pickups, and according to our data, nearly as many 07 failures as the previous years.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:17 PM   #659
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Know anything about the FA/FB series pickups? I'd wonder if they're the same crap.
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:48 PM   #660
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Know anything about the FA/FB series pickups? I'd wonder if they're the same crap.
Totally different pickup design on the FA. The screen is at the top, bolted to the engine case, and there is a straw that goes into the sump. Still brazed at the joint though. Not sure about the FB.

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Old 12-28-2012, 10:51 PM   #661
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Thanks, I should have thought to look at Crawford's pictures. The brazed bit still seems like it would be the point of failure.
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:12 AM   #662
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^ I just can't wrap my mind around 'no oil pickup installed and it ran for 3,000 miles'. Does not compute.
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^ I just can't wrap my mind around 'no oil pickup installed and it ran for 3,000 miles'. Does not compute.
Yeah... an engine running 3000 miles on assembly lube alone doesn't even seem possible. I've seen Hondas run with pure sludge in the system, so very little oil, but that's still *some* oil.

And that does beg the question of why the oil pressure light wasn't on.
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^ this is what I'm hung up on. Something just isn't adding up here
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^ I just can't wrap my mind around 'no oil pickup installed and it ran for 3,000 miles'. Does not compute.
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Yeah... an engine running 3000 miles on assembly lube alone doesn't even seem possible. I've seen Hondas run with pure sludge in the system, so very little oil, but that's still *some* oil.

And that does beg the question of why the oil pressure light wasn't on.
My guess is the tube likely broke off or some thing else happened like a bad o-ring or being left loose and there is a communications gap between staff and client vs not being installed at all.

The reason I posted it though is there is an included pic of a FB25 oil pickup tube in that thread. Which was in response to.

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Totally different pickup design on the FA. The screen is at the top, bolted to the engine case, and there is a straw that goes into the sump. Still brazed at the joint though. Not sure about the FB.
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surprising to hear of so many failures, glad my moroso pan came with a pickup, I actually swapped it out for the killer b, because the mounts looked alot stronger, differences to me were, I liked how the moroso screen came to the very bottom of the pan (just above it, minumal clearance) and the killer b, had this shield piece over the screen, I guess incase anyone bottoms it out somehow? Anywho, get a pickup when you have your motor out of the car people, very cheap insurance
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Old 01-01-2013, 08:24 PM   #670
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surprising to hear of so many failures, glad my moroso pan came with a pickup, I actually swapped it out for the killer b, because the mounts looked alot stronger, differences to me were, I liked how the moroso screen came to the very bottom of the pan (just above it, minumal clearance) and the killer b, had this shield piece over the screen, I guess incase anyone bottoms it out somehow? Anywho, get a pickup when you have your motor out of the car people, very cheap insurance
There are a few reasons we have that design...

If you're in a class that requires an OEM oil pan (especially the off road guys) there is definitely a risk of bashing the bottom of the pan. The shape of the bottom of our pickup will NOT block the flow of oil to the engine if the pan should make contact with the pickup, preventing prematire engine failure due to starvation, or worse, a DNF.

Here's what I think is the biggest reason that shape, the 'doghouse' tub is important, but let me regress... I've said this MANY times in numerous threads, but for those who've missed it, the Subaru oil pumps flow MUCH more than even a racing oil pump for a small block Chevy, which an open bottom screen would be just fine for. With the super high flow the OEM Subaru pumps output this design will 'funnel' oil. Just like your bathroom tub draining water will suck air as the vortex reaches the drain, so will a poorly designed oil pickup. Do some searches and you'll find cars that have experienced oil pressure loss on track with the Moroso setup. You just can't run the same pickup design in a Subaru as you would in a '57 Chevy. To prevent that from happening we use a shrouded oddly shaped opening for the oil pickup. The older Subaru engines used an open bottom, but after the EJs started being produced with the higher flow pumps the pickups became shrouded as well. It seems counter intuitive, but it is what it is.

Another reason for the shape, is you're assured not being too close to the bottom and it promotes side flow as much as upward flow. Pulling from really close to the bottom can lift all kinds of nasty particles and obviously too high up you risk premature starvation.
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These pics were taken this morning, off a 2006 STi with 75K miles. I thought this was interesting because I've never seen a pickup so cracked with zero symptoms.



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^ In the 1st pic, is that a chunk missing? Or just a weird shadow/mark?
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^ In the 1st pic, is that a chunk missing? Or just a weird shadow/mark?
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- year/model - 2004 WRX
- mileage when the failure happened - 59,000
- extent of the damage - Spun Bearings
- whether Subaru handled it under warranty - No
- any power mods (that Subaru did/could blame the failure on) - PE650s, FP 18g, spearco TMIC, K&N Shortram, Samco Inlet, Full exhaust (headers back) etc
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Old 03-21-2013, 06:27 PM   #675
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is this worth while on a brand new WRX (12) with 12.5k miles? just DD
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