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Old 03-22-2013, 01:56 AM   #1
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Hey fellas, been a while since I've been around the Nasioc community, but I was throwing the idea around of a set of new rims(possibly 18x9.5 Rota grids) well, I didn't want to cut it short again, like many do, including myself, so I figure I'd do the upgrades a little more ass-backwards and better, long term, overall performance/handling of a car this time.

Considering Coilovers primarily right now..I've been 'browsing' the forums for :fs's, and vendor group buys...I might make a trip to Les Scwab to see whats up regardless as far as their pricing goes. Simply put, I know theres an awful lot of brands out there, I'm leaning towards Teins, without killing the bank, although exclusively I am looking for something a little more universal that 'could' be upgraded to later on, like adjustable camber plates/dampening controller/force control.

Whats the "longevity" and replacement part options like of a set(any) of coilovers, or are Struts and springs a more considerable option?

Simply put I was seeing how well these coilovers perform and if their even par-for-the-course...as in do they 'ride like a cloud'? or pebbles felt on every rotation?

Lastly, I just wanted to know if dampening/force controllers are optimal and preferred these days, essentially with a 1200-1500 set of coilovers, or if it's more realistic to go with, unfortunately, a more expensive set. It seems like the 2, 3, and $5000 dollar sets are only the ones that seem to have an overall benefit.

I use to/will be doing off road x racing again in the next year, so again, I brought up the question on how well these "dampening" controllers work. Cars used for everything...its not an everyday driver, but I use it for the streets, track, offroad, dyno.
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Old 03-22-2013, 06:44 AM   #2
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Hey fellas, been a while since I've been around the Nasioc community, but I was throwing the idea around of a set of new rims(possibly 18x9.5 Rota grids) well, I didn't want to cut it short again, like many do, including myself, so I figure I'd do the upgrades a little more ass-backwards and better, long term, overall performance/handling of a car this time.

Considering Coilovers primarily right now..I've been 'browsing' the forums for :fs's, and vendor group buys...I might make a trip to Les Scwab to see whats up regardless as far as their pricing goes. Simply put, I know theres an awful lot of brands out there, I'm leaning towards Teins, without killing the bank, although exclusively I am looking for something a little more universal that 'could' be upgraded to later on, like adjustable camber plates/dampening controller/force control.

Whats the "longevity" and replacement part options like of a set(any) of coilovers, or are Struts and springs a more considerable option?

Simply put I was seeing how well these coilovers perform and if their even par-for-the-course...as in do they 'ride like a cloud'? or pebbles felt on every rotation?

Lastly, I just wanted to know if dampening/force controllers are optimal and preferred these days, essentially with a 1200-1500 set of coilovers, or if it's more realistic to go with, unfortunately, a more expensive set. It seems like the 2, 3, and $5000 dollar sets are only the ones that seem to have an overall benefit.

I use to/will be doing off road x racing again in the next year, so again, I brought up the question on how well these "dampening" controllers work. Cars used for everything...its not an everyday driver, but I use it for the streets, track, offroad, dyno.
What exactly is your budget range?

I've heard great things about kw v3 coil overs and racecomp tarmac 2 (made by kw). However a set of those will set you back about 2500 dollars. The best thing about them is they have a lifetime warranty. From what I've heard these also offer the best ride of any coils on the market. I've heard it described as smooth not bouncy ride.

ISC coil overs I've heard good things about. They only have I believe a 2-3 year warranty but I think their website says they only cost about 65.00 for rebuild. These are in the 1200-1500 dollar range. I've heard these ride good.

Feal 441 coil overs. I have heard great things about these and they appear to hold up well to track use, rally use, drifting, and daily driving. They run about 1350.00. At present I do not recall the warranty. However their rebuild rates were fairly high. I think something like 150 per corner which is not very economical.

BC BR coil overs I've heard decent things about them. I've heard of some of them breaking on the track. Not so much breaking on the road.They have a 1 year warranty (iirc) and if they go bad after one year you pay bc 95.00 and they send you a new coil over to replace the bad one. Depending on the vendor these can be had for 800-999.00 I have heard these offer a decent yet bouncy ride.

Fortune Auto coil overs. I've heard decent things about them. They seem to be a tad better quality than bc. These have a five year warranty. This is the second highest warranty I have found behind kw and ISC. Depending on the vendor these are between 900-1000 dollar range. I've heard these ride about like bc.

Then you have what I call "throw away" coil overs like Racelands. They do come with a two year warranty I do believe. I've read numerous reports of breakage as well. I'm not sure as to how much it cost for a rebuild on them. Then again since they are so cheap hell you could buy all new ones for cheaper than rebuilding probably. These will cost you in the 500.00 range. I think for your year model car Racelands make an ultimo coil over that is better than the regular raceland. The numerous reports I've read have not indicated any breakage on daily driving and that for the most part consumers were happy with them. They are 100.00 more than the regular racelands. I've heard these ride decent but are a little bouncy.

There are others out there but for the price I'd spend a little extra and get isc over teins any day for daily driving. As far as occasional track use, auto crossing, etc I would go no less than kw v3 or the race comps. They are the only ones in my opinion that will handle the abuse.

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Old 03-22-2013, 07:11 AM   #3
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I use to/will be doing off road x racing again in the next year, so again, I brought up the question on how well these "dampening" controllers work. Cars used for everything...its not an everyday driver, but I use it for the streets, track, offroad, dyno.
If you're going to be racing off road then you absolutely need maximum travel. Forget coilovers unless your budget is a min of $2000. Considering your uses you should go with D-Spec struts. I would call Turn in Concepts, discuss your goals and uses and give them your money for an appropriate set up.
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Old 03-22-2013, 05:21 PM   #4
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All valid points, I can't honestly believe the coilover turnover rate, especially at the rate of around 1200-1500 for a decent set and a crap of a warranty. It almost makes it somewhat redundant. I've considered the $2000 price range for an 'even better set' but its a pretty long stretch that i'd need some convincing over to do so.

I've always wondered about the Tokico Dspecs(considering it's more of just an adjustable strut?) however, @ the price of around $1200 for a set, are these really ideal for an all use car that can be 'somewhat modifiable'?

From what I've heard $1800+ will get you a decent kit of TIC/AST/Ohlins/RCE's. But, it sounds too me like staying away from Helix/megans(unfortunately Tein's now..) with to my knowledge all have similar valving and limit problems, including what Subiefoz said above about an..unfortunate common, rather than uncommon failure rates.

Leaning toward D-specs now...perhaps I can save and gain...with bremdo's, and other future suspension goodies before the rim and tires route.
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Old 03-22-2013, 07:04 PM   #5
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Feal resells, modifies, and rebuilds Hotbits. A brand known for offering some rally-x setups. One of their products is a set of inserts, much like Koni inserts.

Once you throw in the requirement of off road, rally, rallyx, or even just gravel. You can start to look at just purpose built or known entities.

A good entry point for even a starter set of coilovers is going to be $1200 and up. Factor in ancillary items like tophats/camber plates, different spring rates; and the price can go up. Then you get into the $2k and up range that offer more adjustments and valving options.
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Old 03-22-2013, 08:26 PM   #6
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I have only changed my koni's once in six months. You most likely could save some money and go without the edfc
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Old 03-23-2013, 04:25 PM   #7
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For off-road, I'd be talking with Feal.

For the most part, an inexpensive setup that performs well on bumpy terrain will tend to be a little bouncy on smoother roads, but it sure is fun going over rail crossings and speed bumps and such without even slowing down.

Most aftermarket suspension products are not in any way valved for off-road, even fairly smooth off roading like rally-x. I really don't think there are many off the shelf products that will perform well in this regard, certainly not the typical low priced coilovers you see in the market. This is why I'd talk with Feal, they will be able to set you up with appropriate valving and have a good idea of spring rates needed to perform well with said valving. The other possibility is to hit up the more rally oriented forums like dirtyimpreza. They may have more people with off-road experience and advice.

You are simply not going to find a <$5k setup that is GOOD at off-road and tarmac at the same time. You have to lean one way and sacrifice in the other if you want to have any sort of budget. Even setups like $6k DMS50s are valved towards tarmac OR gravel, even though they're adjustable enough to be pretty good for the other when valved for one. Such setups will also be pretty motorsports oriented and have higher maintenance (rebuilds).

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