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Old 03-18-2013, 03:46 PM   #1
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Default Cams? Which set?

I was looking in putting camshafts in my car. Which set would you go with for max power on a stock bottom end ?
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:00 PM   #2
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Any mods on your setup or is everything stock besides the bottom end?
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:14 PM   #3
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I have a big tmic and Full exhaust/ up and down pipe
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:03 PM   #4
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You have an 02 WRX with TBE, uppipe and a large TMIC? As in still on the stock TD04? I would HIGHLY suggest you do a turbo upgrade before you go down the avenue of cams.

Keep in mind cams will just about always push the powerband to the right for top-end. Your turbo will not make top-end power.

And I'm not going to say you won't gain anything...I just think for the money you are MUCH better off doing a basic STI turbo (vf-xx) swap. Do some research.
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:12 PM   #5
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You have an 02 WRX with TBE, uppipe and a large TMIC? As in still on the stock TD04? I would HIGHLY suggest you do a turbo upgrade before you go down the avenue of cams.

Keep in mind cams will just about always push the powerband to the right for top-end. Your turbo will not make top-end power.

And I'm not going to say you won't gain anything...I just think for the money you are MUCH better off doing a basic STI turbo (vf-xx) swap. Do some research.
I see your point but I have money for one. I figured cams because I have a spun rod bearing and am waiting on parts. In the meanwhile while the heads were off I was going to upgrade my top end.....
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:33 PM   #6
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Yeah but Billy I think that money would be much better spent elsewhere! Understand that TD04 turbo is falling on its face (HARD) by 5k RPM with stock head and cams. Most builds that you see beefier cams on already have the built bottom end, big turbo, P&P heads w/ upgraded springs, retainers, valves, etc. And you're not going to want to take things that far unless you're also ready to do something about your transmission (as in swap it with an STI 6-speed or go with a PPG 5-speed).

The turbo on your car supports low to mid-range power (but mostly low ) and the factory cams will support that just fine.

A basic STI turbo swap will blow your socks off compared to a TD04. If I were you I'd start searching for:
-used VF-xx turbo
-used Cobb AP
-new Walboro 255lph FP
-Injector Dynamics (or whatever brand) injectors (something in the 750-800cc for plenty of headroom)
-find a reputable tuner in your area.
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:46 PM   #7
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There are lots of things I would consider before cams.
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:48 PM   #8
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Makes since and that route is a little cheaper
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:49 PM   #9
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There are lots of things I would consider before cams.
I have the fuel pump installed and have sti pinks I thought about getting modded
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If you insist in cams get a set of used sti cams and block off the avcs holes. They'll give you a little more cam lift. But know since you changed stuff up now you have to sped more time and money getting your valve clearances right
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complete ****ing waste of money. You select your cams based on turbo size and hp goal and what you use the car for period. Is your goal 400+? if so add the external and internal parts to get there and select cams. td04 has NO need for cams. If your looking to blow a 1k Ill take it and put your name on the side of my car for a season.
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Old 03-18-2013, 09:22 PM   #12
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complete ****ing waste of money. You select your cams based on turbo size and hp goal and what you use the car for period. Is your goal 400+? if so add the external and internal parts to get there and select cams. td04 has NO need for cams. If your looking to blow a 1k Ill take it and put your name on the side of my car for a season.
Well was shooting for 300 and was planning a bigger turbo / 16g in mind maybe a little smaller

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I bought cams for a later build, so I stuck them an a stock bottom end for a while. A little while, It moved the power to the right where it got rev happy. The stock crank and bearings didn't like it there. Nether did the next two stock blocks. I got to build my motor when I ran out of stock blocks laying around. Go for it then maybe you will get to build the bottom end.
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So I still have no awnser which cams should I choose.... Ill do a turbo swap later......
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:01 PM   #15
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I bought cams for a later build, so I stuck them an a stock bottom end for a while. A little while, It moved the power to the right where it got rev happy. The stock crank and bearings didn't like it there. Nether did the next two stock blocks. I got to build my motor when I ran out of stock blocks laying around. Go for it then maybe you will get to build the bottom end.
Your stock crank is single drilled I shall do a cross drilled ...... And ACL bearings
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do more minor mods first imop.
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:22 PM   #17
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Well was shooting for 300 and was planning a bigger turbo / 16g in mind maybe a little smaller
Kinugawa 16G (it's actually an evo3-16G from the specs which is really nice), STi cams. This will be a great combo for what you're shooting for.
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:34 PM   #18
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Kinugawa 16G (it's actually an evo3-16G from the specs which is really nice), STi cams. This will be a great combo for what you're shooting for.
I inquired one from my dad not that brand and I have pinks and a walboro 255

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Old 04-01-2013, 07:44 AM   #19
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Anybody tried 264/264 cams? Same lift as a 272
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Maybe you should try some 280s or bigger
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I'm confused, people are telling you to do everything but cams and you want cams for 300whp?

Upgrade everything but cams. Why ask a question and dismiss everyone's answer?

Not trying to be an ass, if you built the motor then yah, cams are important (dependent on power goal) but for your power goal your cams are fine. You seem to have everything you need for your goals. Don't waste money because you are waiting on parts. Money shouldn't burn a hole in your pocket.

If you are really horny on cams get the sti ones as suggested above. They are cheap to and will be an improvement. No sense to be buying an aftermarket cam for your goals.
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I'm confused, people are telling you to do everything but cams and you want cams for 300whp?

Upgrade everything but cams. Why ask a question and dismiss everyone's answer?

Not trying to be an ass, if you built the motor then yah, cams are important (dependent on power goal) but for your power goal your cams are fine. You seem to have everything you need for your goals. Don't waste money because you are waiting on parts. Money shouldn't burn a hole in your pocket.

If you are really horny on cams get the sti ones as suggested above. They are cheap to and will be an improvement. No sense to be buying an aftermarket cam for your goals.
Point taken
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:35 PM   #23
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Crower 264/264 purchased at a Steal!
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Right on. You still won't gain any power though if you stay with that small turbo.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:11 AM   #25
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Yea I know it's a start thoa..... And turbo uprgrade is next then I will get a tune
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