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Old 03-24-2013, 03:33 PM   #226
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Dear lord, I've never seen more hand wringing. How the **** does some random dude at a conference create a harassing g workplace situation? She doesn't work with him, she is not emoyed for or by him, and a conference isn't really a workplace per say (even if you do some work there). Those columnists be high.
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:37 PM   #227
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Dear lord, I've never seen more hand wringing. How the **** does some random dude at a conference create a harassing g workplace situation? She doesn't work with him, she is not emoyed for or by him, and a conference isn't really a workplace per say (even if you do some work there). Those columnists be high.
I am tweeting your error as well as your blatant accusation of drug abuse. Be prepared to be fired from your own company.
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:45 PM   #228
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Oh no he di'n't!
Oh yes I did'd'd'd

I love strong women in general, but strong black women just have a way of making you feel like a 10yr old boy that got caught looking at a playboy

OTOH if you stay on their good side they will always treat you like family.

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Old 03-24-2013, 04:13 PM   #229
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Oh yes I did'd'd'd

I love strong women in general, but strong black women just have a way of making you feel like a 10yr old boy that got caught looking at a playboy

OTOH if you stay on their good side they will always treat you like family.

I miss my old receptionist
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Old 03-24-2013, 04:48 PM   #230
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As a strong woman of color, I'd like to inquire as to exactly who the **** youre calling black, honkey-assed cracker?!
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Old 03-24-2013, 04:57 PM   #231
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the legal standard is whether the behavior constitutes a hostile workplace and whether the company did everything they could to prevent that. The person who reported the behavior need not be the target of the comments or even the person who overheard it. Any knowledge of the behavior is sufficient grounds for responsibility to do something about it. Also....the standard is that someone felt uncomfortable about the comment; even if its a bit of an overreaction.
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Dear lord, I've never seen more hand wringing. How the **** does some random dude at a conference create a harassing g workplace situation? She doesn't work with him, she is not emoyed for or by him, and a conference isn't really a workplace per say (even if you do some work there). Those columnists be high.
This^^^ to a point. If the company willingly knew she was going to be put in a job where she would be the subject of abuse, then the company could still be culpable. However, this was not a direct attack to the woman. She overheard a private conversation (in public) and decided to not talk to the people about it (which is exactly where she's going to lose), but instead tweeted her vitriol.

If she had turned around and instead said "I don't appreciate those comments" and then they kept going on, then the two holding the private conversation would be culpable. However... she didn't (according to the story), and the rest is history.

She's the one that didn't take the proper action. Now of course, should there had been any action needed? IMHO, no. It was a joke between two people. Be the bigger person and ignore it, and move your seat. Attacking the two on Twitter publicly without being a grown up and talking or removing oneself should have been done before abusing her position.

Not that the to having the conversation were right or wrong... but I can tell you what she did could have been handled much differently, and grownuply.

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Old 03-24-2013, 05:47 PM   #232
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It seems people are missing a critical element. The behavior has to be repetitive and the perpetrator has to be warned in order to establish harassment.

Theres no case here, just a business afraid of someone using EEOC protected status to bully and shame people.

The first employer panicked. Thats all.
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Old 03-24-2013, 05:54 PM   #233
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Exactly. THe offended has to ask the offender to stop 1st, or a warning to their supervisor. Her just acting like she did was 100% the wrong thing to do. Guy, girl, yellow, red, black, white, doesn't matter. She handled the situation incorrectly.

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Old 03-24-2013, 06:00 PM   #234
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She is probably an tightly-wound virgin.
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:04 PM   #235
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she must think shes the next rosa parks or some **** ?

clearly a sexist against males, loves to draw attention to herself to gain fame.
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:06 PM   #236
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:49 PM   #237
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This^^^ to a point. If the company willingly knew she was going to be put in a job where she would be the subject of abuse, then the company could still be culpable. However, this was not a direct attack to the woman. She overheard a private conversation (in public) and decided to not talk to the people about it (which is exactly where she's going to lose), but instead tweeted her vitriol.

If she had turned around and instead said "I don't appreciate those comments" and then they kept going on, then the two holding the private conversation would be culpable. However... she didn't (according to the story), and the rest is history.

She's the one that didn't take the proper action. Now of course, should there had been any action needed? IMHO, no. It was a joke between two people. Be the bigger person and ignore it, and move your seat. Attacking the two on Twitter publicly without being a grown up and talking or removing oneself should have been done before abusing her position.

Not that the to having the conversation were right or wrong... but I can tell you what she did could have been handled much differently, and grownuply.

--kC
I'm not sure I agree with the bold, even. She needs to mind her damn business, instead of evesdropping on a private conversation. I highly doubt it was declared at full voice, or a yell, and certainly not with the intent of making sure she heard, let alone was offended. It's not even a sexist comment, penors be entering giners every second of the day, it's the way of the world, get over it. If two lesbians had made some off-color carpet-muncher tech comment (which, given that I am neither a lesbian nor tech, I have no clue what that could be), would she have reacted the same way?

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Old 03-24-2013, 06:50 PM   #238
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So hearing the conversation of the people sitting behind you in a crowded auditorium now counts as "evesdropping on a private conversation"?

I think not.
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:53 PM   #239
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Also, those bleeding-heart columnists...why do they assume the crazy comments about rape and violence come from the 'tech' world/audience? I LOVE how they assume they do, and use that to highlight the hardships women face in the tech world. IMO, and I may be way off base, it's more likely random non-techies who never would have heard the story if it weren't for her total efficiency at ewhoring the story, and just happen to be ********.
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:59 PM   #240
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The main point here - SendGrid's firing of Richards seems to be more of a response to the DDOS and associated publicity than her initial actions:
Sendgrid appears to be a California company (they have locations in Boulder, so I don't know where they are incorporated). California is at-will employment, so under this system they can fire her for any reason whatsoever, legally (as long as it's not one of the protected reasons). SendGrid will never lose this case, and annoying Joan-of-Arc bitch is going to go home a loser.

If Sendgrid was losing money because of Richards' employment, they have every right to let her go immediately. Any employee that causes a company to lose money should expect to be fired, plain and simple.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:01 PM   #241
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So hearing the conversation of the people sitting behind you in a crowded auditorium now counts as "evesdropping on a private conversation"?

I think not.
It depends on the context, something adults are supposed to have learned to figure out by the time they are old enough to be sent off to conferences alone. Were they speaking quietly to each other, or loudly? Was she straining to hear? Was it meant for her ears in any way?
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:02 PM   #242
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I bet the lady got fired as a 'final straw'. As in 'oh god finally a reason to can this insufferable bitch'. She sounds awful to work with, her co-workers probably hate her more than the guy she got fired.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:04 PM   #243
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It depends on the context, something adults are supposed to have learned to figure out by the time they are old enough to be sent off to conferences alone. Were they speaking quietly to each other, or loudly? Was she straining to hear? Was it meant for her ears in any way?
Meh. I don't agree with how any of this played out, but regardless, if you make a crass joke (or say anything really) in a crowded auditorium you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

While I don't feel much sympathy for ms. richards, I find most of the reactions from all sides of this thing fairly disgusting.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:18 PM   #244
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I'm waiting to see some fallout from a situation at work last week. Older dude that's been with the company at least 20yrs sent an internal IM to a younger chick that was inappropriate. She went directly to HR. IT did a sweep of his emails and other IMs and it appears it may not have been isolated occurrence. Dude gets canned.....it could have been handled differently, but per the training we have annually, it was likely justified.

The particular group this chick works in has an unusually high number of women in it...there are four or five women in the group, all but one of them only a couple of years out of school at the most. Of course, nobody knows which particular woman was the subject of the inappropriateness.

Now here's the part I'll be watching over the next couple of weeks.....

I noticed late last week that most of the males that work with these women have drastically changed their behavior around them. A lot of them are avoiding any sort of contact whatsoever simply because they don't want their jobs at risk. I have a feeling these women are going to quickly become lepers and its really not their fault.

I'm thinking a simple adult discussion of "hey, not cool" with the dude in the first place would have stopped it entirely. And perhaps she did that. But I see a lot of unintended consequences. I know several people have commented to me they won't be using IM anymore (people generally treat those far less informally than email). And I think its going to make the workplace a whole lot less friendly and much more sterile.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:25 PM   #245
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I'm waiting to see some fallout from a situation at work last week. Older dude that's been with the company at least 20yrs sent an internal IM to a younger chick that was inappropriate. She went directly to HR. IT did a sweep of his emails and other IMs and it appears it may not have been isolated occurrence. Dude gets canned.....it could have been handled differently, but per the training we have annually, it was likely justified.

The particular group this chick works in has an unusually high number of women in it...there are four or five women in the group, all but one of them only a couple of years out of school at the most. Of course, nobody knows which particular woman was the subject of the inappropriateness.

Now here's the part I'll be watching over the next couple of weeks.....

I noticed late last week that most of the males that work with these women have drastically changed their behavior around them. A lot of them are avoiding any sort of contact whatsoever simply because they don't want their jobs at risk. I have a feeling these women are going to quickly become lepers and its really not their fault.

I'm thinking a simple adult discussion of "hey, not cool" with the dude in the first place would have stopped it entirely. And perhaps she did that. But I see a lot of unintended consequences. I know several people have commented to me they won't be using IM anymore (people generally treat those far less informally than email). And I think its going to make the workplace a whole lot less friendly and much more sterile.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:31 PM   #246
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Meh. I don't agree with how any of this played out, but regardless, if you make a crass joke (or say anything really) in a crowded auditorium you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

While I don't feel much sympathy for ms. richards, I find most of the reactions from all sides of this thing fairly disgusting.
Agreed. I think a lot of people use incidents like this as a justification to express (or just hold) whatever their pet bigotry is.
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Agreed. I think a lot of people use incidents like this as a justification to express (or just hold) whatever their pet bigotry is.
Yup. Especially black women. Those people eat this stuff up like collard greens.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:54 PM   #248
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:57 PM   #249
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I bet the lady got fired as a 'final straw'. As in 'oh god finally a reason to can this insufferable bitch'. She sounds awful to work with, her co-workers probably hate her more than the guy she got fired.
I got the same feeling, especially since other people who have worked with her say this isn't an isolated incident.

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I'm waiting to see some fallout from a situation at work last week. Older dude that's been with the company at least 20yrs sent an internal IM to a younger chick that was inappropriate. She went directly to HR. IT did a sweep of his emails and other IMs and it appears it may not have been isolated occurrence. Dude gets canned.....it could have been handled differently, but per the training we have annually, it was likely justified.

The particular group this chick works in has an unusually high number of women in it...there are four or five women in the group, all but one of them only a couple of years out of school at the most. Of course, nobody knows which particular woman was the subject of the inappropriateness.

Now here's the part I'll be watching over the next couple of weeks.....

I noticed late last week that most of the males that work with these women have drastically changed their behavior around them. A lot of them are avoiding any sort of contact whatsoever simply because they don't want their jobs at risk. I have a feeling these women are going to quickly become lepers and its really not their fault.

I'm thinking a simple adult discussion of "hey, not cool" with the dude in the first place would have stopped it entirely. And perhaps she did that. But I see a lot of unintended consequences. I know several people have commented to me they won't be using IM anymore (people generally treat those far less informally than email). And I think its going to make the workplace a whole lot less friendly and much more sterile.
Still a better love story than Kaiser's job.
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Show me your tits, sweetheart.
On that topic here's her "taking my shirt off For software" campaign from 2009

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No actual nudity but it's yet another example of her using sexual innuendo to profit for herself....

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