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Old 03-25-2013, 05:52 PM   #1
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I am thinking about getting one of the round, heavy(ish) shift knobs, LatheWerks, Anarchy Motive or similar. My car doesn't sit out in the heat of the day much, is the knob heating up something I should be concerned about? Even used, those knobs aren't cheap...

Also, I understand the premise of the heavy knobs as far as ease of shifting (especially with a short shifter), but I wonder if they don't cause things to wear/loosen up over time. The heavier ones are 3x plus the weight of a stocker which seems like it might have some effect over time.

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Old 03-25-2013, 06:14 PM   #2
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I really like LatheWerks. Copolymer based, doesn't get that hot/cold, has a good weight and feel. Plus he gives you tons of options.
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Old 03-25-2013, 06:42 PM   #3
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My car came with a copolymer one and have already noticed that it doesn't heat up anywhere near as much as the metal Prova SI drive knob that is right next to it. But I'm not a fan of the design and am probably going to sell it, i prefer the standard knob designs.



As you can see, it's pretty big and it has some weight to it.
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Old 03-25-2013, 06:42 PM   #4
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If you get a weighted one, do what kos said and get a Copolymer one with a weight inserted into it. My metal knobs in the car, even if not in the sun, get scalding hot in the summer here. Hell, the other day it was uncomfortable to use. I put a sock over it. In my wagon, I have a plastic knob and love it so much more. Personal preference though.

As far as the extra weight wearing things out, I don't think you have much to worry about. Just don't rest your hand on the linkage and you'll be fine. Even that shouldn't be so bad, but I heard some interesting, valid arguments for why it may cause wear with time (resting your hand). By and large, the majority of the weight will be downwards on the lever, transferring into the socket. Only a small component will actually be felt by the trans input rod.

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Old 03-27-2013, 03:17 PM   #5
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Thanks guys, I have an aluminum Kartboy Knuckle Ball that I got pretty cheap. I think I want something more round, didn't want to spring for a spendy one before knowing how hot the metal ones get. Mine was fairly warm yesterday afternoon after a day in the driveway, so I can imagine they get toasty during the summer and steel would hold the heat longer/better than aluminum (or Ti). To get a heavy(ish) not-all-steel knob is pretty pricey, even used. Is the weight really a big deal or should I prioritize shape and material?

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Old 03-27-2013, 04:44 PM   #6
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Thanks guys, I have an aluminum Kartboy Knuckle Ball that I got pretty cheap. I think I want something more round, didn't want to spring for a spendy one before knowing how hot the metal ones get. Mine was fairly warm yesterday afternoon after a day in the driveway, so I can imagine they get toasty during the summer and steel would hold the heat longer/better than aluminum (or Ti). To get a heavy(ish) not-all-steel knob is pretty pricey, even used. Is the weight really a big deal or should I prioritize shape and material?

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I personally like to feel the gears and synchros do their thing as I row through gears. This helps me to make sure I'm in gear and not over working the synchros on fast shifts. But that's personaly preference. That is why I'm running that very light clear knob on my wagon... that and the clear looks sweet. I know a lot of guys who prefer the heavy knob because it reduces the shifting effort and kind of "numbs" the feeling of the gears shifting and the detents and all the mechanics of the shifting process. Personal preference.

This is probably why people go through so many knobs before they find one they like.

With most bushing kits and short throw shifter modifications, you definitely feel the shift process/gear selection more. That is sufficient for some. Others don't like the increase effort this adds to shifting and smooth it out or mask it with an ultra heavy knob. I take all the feedback I can get; bushings, short throw (-ish; the STi short throw is meh) and a light knob.

I would prioritize feel in the hand first (comfortable and does it burn/freeze you too much for your liking). Then probably looks. Then weight maybe?
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Old 03-27-2013, 05:15 PM   #7
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With most bushing kits and short throw shifter modifications, you definitely feel the shift process/gear selection more. That is sufficient for some. Others don't like the increase effort this adds to shifting and smooth it out or mask it with an ultra heavy knob. I take all the feedback I can get; bushings, short throw (-ish; the STi short throw is meh) and a light knob.

I would prioritize feel in the hand first (comfortable and does it burn/freeze you too much for your liking). Then probably looks. Then weight maybe?
Thanks Ken. I ran my old Subie with a short shifter and front bushings with the stock knob for 10 years with no issue, so I think I will try for a something plastic with a good shape and price first...

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Old 07-04-2013, 03:44 PM   #8
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Well I ended up getting a Cobb. I am pretty sure it is lighter than stock, but I like the shape better. I am happy with it. The metal bottom edge gets plenty hot, can't really imagine driving with a metal knob if the car has been sitting out...

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Old 07-04-2013, 05:05 PM   #9
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If you get a weighted one, do what kos said and get a Copolymer <snip>

I'm really diggin the clear knob, what brand is this?

And I agree with what everyone else has said - never would I ever put a metal shift knob on my car in Phoenix....I mean unless I wanted to experiment with branding, which I don't
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Old 07-05-2013, 11:04 AM   #10
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speaking of copolymer shift knobs, I think I have a bunch of white/natural ones I made a while ago just sitting if anyone wants one.
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I prefer the lighter knobs as well because you can feel more of what is going on.
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Old 10-17-2014, 06:52 PM   #12
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Well I tried the stock leather knob for a while, tall and not my favorite shape, seemed more for holding like a grip than from the top. Turns out it's pretty heavy, but I replaced it with a much smaller/lighter/shorter Kartboy, pretty much an aluminum mushroom. That one seemed to warm up pretty good and was really too small for my mitts. I replaced it with a Cobb that I liked quite a bit, mostly Delrin so it didn't heat up. It was clearly lighter than stock as well, felt good though. I thought it was a keeper, but I was still curious about heavy knobs.

I got in on one of the Anarchy Motive Mammoth in asphalt crinkle powder coat for a good price. Now that is a knob, astonishingly large and heavy when not attached to a shifter, also very short considering its size and heft. I initially thought I might have to pull it for the summer and go back to the Cobb, but I knew that one would feel small in comparison. As I mentioned, my car doesn't sit out in the sun that much since I don't drive to work, and I went the whole summer without anything too traumatic due to knob heat. I also got a Perrin shift pattern circle that fits great on top of the SI-Drive knob, just in case I forget Anyway, I don't see pulling this knob, I like it a lot.

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