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Old 03-28-2013, 11:34 AM   #351
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I respectfully disagree, I wouldnt abuse the car in the hopes that it would "burn enough". I would think a better way of swaying it would be to just leave it idling till it burns a quart, then it doesn't have all the miles/abuse on it.
I feel your pain, oil-burners!
Abuse the car? Why would you say that? I'm not saying to redline it. Why did you abuse the car when you drove 130 MPH then? You didn't feel bad about doing it then, why now?
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:29 PM   #352
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I can't tell whose side you're on from that response....

I had the consumption done today, another qt was added after 2000 miles. The tech said it looks like my oil light comes on when its about 3/4 low. I found it strange how he said "my light", like its different for my car and not standard.

Also the guy at counter mentioned that he heard of a firmware update that corrected an issue with the low light coming on too early, but thought it was only for 2013s (he wasn't the usual Subaru guy, I didnt ask the tech about it).

If this continues for the life of the car I will be putting a qt in every 1500-2k, meaning 3 to 4 additional qts between changes. Gregorz has a point, do I even need to ever change it?

They again mentioned that 1qt every 1200 is "normal" for an internal combustion engine. Why on previous cars did I never have to add additional oil? I've got 2 more checks to go before my test is complete. At which point I presume I'll be swept under the rug.
You don't have to worry too much. Sounds like your car is on par to get a new short block. Mine was burning 1 litre per 900-1000 km. I got a new short block, but it still burns oil. Good luck with yours.
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:41 PM   #353
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You don't have to worry too much. Sounds like your car is on par to get a new short block. Mine was burning 1 litre per 900-1000 km. I got a new short block, but it still burns oil. Good luck with yours.
Any word from the dealer about you new short block consuming oil? Probably another consumption test?
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:29 PM   #354
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Any word from the dealer about you new short block consuming oil? Probably another consumption test?
No news yet. Just like how it was with the first shirt block. Oil consumption test and come back when the light is on again.
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Old 03-30-2013, 04:49 AM   #355
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Abuse the car? Why would you say that? I'm not saying to redline it. Why did you abuse the car when you drove 130 MPH then?
Why does this keep coming up ? you think Subaru's engineers are so incompetent they can't design an engine that can cope with the odd trip to its indicated VMax ?

When in Germany in '95 the new Opel Vectra 1.6L 5spd manual I was driving was often at its indicated 115mph Vmax for sustained periods of time on the Autobahns without managing to burn massive amounts of oil. Luckily for Subaru they don't sell the "fragile" Impreza in Germany...Oh wait they do....

http://www.subaru.de/allrad-fahrzeuge/impreza.html
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Old 03-30-2013, 08:04 AM   #356
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Thanks John. couldnt agree more.
My 96 jetta would do 120, never burned any oil and a local kid is still driving it, my 91 Integra would also go 110+ and never burned oil.
My 2002 Kawasaki ZRX1200 is MODDED very well and will bury the 170mph speedometer with ease. It has seen egregious/illegal speeds its whole life, and with around 80k on it, it still doesn't burn any noticeable amount of oil.
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Old 03-30-2013, 09:17 AM   #357
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Thanks John. couldnt agree more.
While satisfied so far with my wifes '12 Impreza I'm alarmed when seeing others mucked around like you have been, the quicker Subaru Inc deal professionally with your oil consumption issue without unhelpful remarks from members of the peanut gallery the more comfortable normal people will feel about the long term reliability of the product and security they are backed up by a good company.

Yep my 14 yro Honda VFR800 with 45K Miles has seen its indicated 152mph Vmax many times on track days yet manages to never use oil between its 3750 mile services.
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Old 03-30-2013, 11:36 AM   #358
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While satisfied so far with my wifes '12 Impreza I'm alarmed when seeing others mucked around like you have been, the quicker Subaru Inc deal professionally with your oil consumption issue without unhelpful remarks from members of the peanut gallery the more comfortable normal people will feel about the long term reliability of the product and security they are backed up by a good company.

Yep my 14 yro Honda VFR800 with 45K Miles has seen its indicated 152mph Vmax many times on track days yet manages to never use oil between its 3750 mile services.
You also dont know how he treated the other dealerships. There had to be something he did to get himself banned. That does not happen when you act respectful and greet them with a smile. Also its really bad when they call your mom because of how you acted to let her know that you arent welcome at the dealership.

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Old 03-30-2013, 12:06 PM   #359
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You also dont know how he treated the other dealerships. There had to be something he did to get himself banned.
Perhaps he may have not done himself any favours if he got mad at them through his frustration at their inaction.

Mind I have some sympathy after having my own battles Ford a few years ago where the car would randomly go in and out of limp mode with the dealer just re-flashing the ECU where it behaved itself again for a while, then it cut out stranding me dangerously in the middle of a Hwy late at night once out of warranty requiring a tow back to the dealers.

They wanted to replace the ECU at my expense. Frustrated it took only 15 minutes of my searching on a UK Ford Forum it find it was a common manufacturing fault with that years speedo sensor. After it was replaced at my expense, 4 years on and no further problems but remember nearly losing my lolly at the Servicing Ford dealer at the time because of that and them failing to refill my Gearbox oil after an early clutch change, haven't been back there since and don't think I'd buy another new Ford.
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Old 03-31-2013, 12:03 AM   #360
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You also dont know how he treated the other dealerships. There had to be something he did to get himself banned. That does not happen when you act respectful and greet them with a smile.
Sometimes it's questionable about whether they deserve that respect. You might get "banned" if they try to feed you BS and you know better.
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Old 03-31-2013, 03:02 AM   #361
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Well biting the hand that feeds you won't do you any good. Its like arguing with a cop that pulled you over, yeah you can do it, but you'll most likely get boned as a result.
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Old 03-31-2013, 03:15 PM   #362
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I was asked not to go to BILL BRYAN SUBARU. They have a HORRIBLE reputation and every time I ever went I had someone like my mom, girlfriend, or friend with me. Because they fed me BS and I very politely disagreed. The reason SOA cited for my not returning was "low customer satisfaction" scores on the email survey. I gave my honest opinion. Theres another nasioc thread started back before I was here called "Bill Bryan Subaru Are Criminals". And I've gotten pm's from central fl folks who say that Bill Bryan sucks.
Thats ehy I drive an hour and a half to a better dealer.
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Old 03-31-2013, 03:22 PM   #363
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I'm not going to apologize for refusing to accept "All cars burn oil these days, you just havent had a new car before..."
I responded with "I dont think its normal to have to put quarts in between changes". And "its a 2012 Subaru not a 75 Vega".
I dont think these companies will care if our cars burn oil if we dont tell them that we find the loose qc standards unacceptable. You dont have to be rude, just not accepting their cya statements will rile them up well enough. trust me.
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Old 03-31-2013, 07:16 PM   #364
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I'm not going to apologize for refusing to accept "All cars burn oil these days, you just havent had a new car before..."
I responded with "I dont think its normal to have to put quarts in between changes". And "its a 2012 Subaru not a 75 Vega".
I dont think these companies will care if our cars burn oil if we dont tell them that we find the loose qc standards unacceptable. You dont have to be rude, just not accepting their cya statements will rile them up well enough. trust me.
I disagree with their statement that "all cars burn oil these days". However I will agree that all cars CAN burn oil these days. It does suck to have one that does, however you would be hard pressed to find ANY manufacturer that will fix your engine for anything less than Subaru's threshold. Just to let you know, they don't care if you say their QC standards are unacceptable - no offense.
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79letour - Sign on to Mysubaru.com and see what the GTP (Guaranteed Trade in Program) value of your car is (you will need the VIN). It may be higher than you think. Mine is about $20k.

Dealer has to give that to you if you trade in regardless of the price of the new car (I normally pay Invoice or a couple of bucks less).

Edit: As long as the car has not been in an accident or has body damage, etc.. See the GTP rules for the specifics. Don't believe that the trade has to be accomplished at the same place you originally purchased your car - Any Subaru Dealership.
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79letour - Sign on to Mysubaru.com and see what the GTP (Guaranteed Trade in Program) value of your car is (you will need the VIN). It may be higher than you think. Mine is about $20k.

Dealer has to give that to you if you trade in regardless of the price of the new car (I normally pay Invoice or a couple of bucks less).

Edit: As long as the car has not been in an accident or has body damage, etc.. See the GTP rules for the specifics.
Don't forget that you need to be in the stated mileage as well.
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Thanks, G-Omaha. Thats the first friendly or helpful comment any non-oil burner has made yet!
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Alas- they think my mileage is 15,500 (its 21k) and my guaranteed trade value is $16,665.
So thats a no-go.
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Thanks, G-Omaha. Thats the first friendly or helpful comment any non-oil burner has made yet!
Everytime I login, it says "NOT ELIGIBLE" and I have verified my VIN to be accurate.
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:55 PM   #370
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Alas- they think my mileage is 15,500 (its 21k) and my guaranteed trade value is $16,665.
So thats a no-go.
If you are over the mileage they will deduct some money off the GTP. Your mileage is not that high so I wouldn't expect a big hit.
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Everytime I login, it says "NOT ELIGIBLE" and I have verified my VIN to be accurate.
Isn't the GTP something you need to sign up for (or even purchase) at the time you buy the vehicle? It's not just automatic for everyone, is it?
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Automatic for everyone. It is not in effect for the first year following the original delivery. There are mileage restrictions and some others. Overall a very good thing if you have a reasonably low mileage and well maintained car. I used it on my 2008 OSB which I traded in for my 2012 Impreza Sport. Total cost of ownership for the 2008 OSB was about $4k for the 4 years/~38k miles that I had on it - a better deal then leasing, IMHO.
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Automatic for everyone. It is not in effect for the first year following the original delivery. There are mileage restrictions and some others. Overall a very good thing if you have a reasonably low mileage and well maintained car. I used it on my 2008 OSB which I traded in for my 2012 Impreza Sport. Total cost of ownership for the 2008 OSB was about $4k for the 4 years/~38k miles that I had on it - a better deal then leasing, IMHO.
4k + down payment?

I've got a while until I get to the end of my consumption test. I will revisit this thread and share my results afterwards. I hope I am not told "all cars burn oil these days".
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No down payment - just ~$4k (interest included) for the Total Cost of Ownership.
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Not bad! 1k a year is a steal really.
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