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Old 03-29-2013, 12:54 AM   #17176
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I've been going back and forth with the idea as well. There are a lot of negatives: taking a hit on this car, I'm losing the gas mileage, and my insurance will be quite a bit more. The looks of the new WRX are really tempting, however, I think the smartest move for me is to hold out till I need a new car.
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Old 03-29-2013, 01:39 AM   #17177
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I took this car out on some backroads today again, now that I know it relatively well. I have to say, the limit of this car is...scary. It can really handle, and well, it's limit is too fast to be fun to be honest. I've piled it through corners without even a hint of grip loss or vague controls. One thing I did notice is that the steering is a little vague, regardless of speed. I also wouldn't mind a little less body roll, even though it's still minimal. Would you guys recommend a 22mm sway bar and a strut tower stiffener? I know how to handle oversteer, so that isn't really an issue.
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Old 03-29-2013, 03:55 AM   #17178
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:21 AM   #17179
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Go to subaru genuine parts and its in the accessories area.
Thanks, and here's the link for those wondering. But $118? No thanks, I bought the footwell kit for the 08-11 for about $30, what a rip off! I wonder what the difference is between the two
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:31 AM   #17180
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Thanks, and here's the link for those wondering. But $118? No thanks, I bought the footwell kit for the 08-11 for about $30, what a rip off! I wonder what the difference is between the two
Wiring is too short
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:38 AM   #17181
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Thanks, and here's the link for those wondering. But $118? No thanks, I bought the footwell kit for the 08-11 for about $30, what a rip off! I wonder what the difference is between the two
I assume they have a red version as well.
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:40 AM   #17182
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Lol i like it. It would be awesome if they made an impreza rally trim, and the new wrx be the street beast.

Cool pic, but i doubt it means anything.
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:51 AM   #17183
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kind of looks like an alien or is that just me
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:58 AM   #17184
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I assume they have a red version as well.
Yup, on their homepage they have the red as well. I'll probably tackle this this summer with the 08-11 kit, if its as simple as extending the wiring. Either that or wait til the price comes down to a reasonable level.
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:10 AM   #17185
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I have the directions from the $118 one, so i will try to follow those directions with the $30 kit.
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:15 AM   #17186
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^Just grabbed those too from the Subaru Tech site: http://techinfo.subaru.com/search/index.html

Here's the link to the PDF for the lazy: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3j0h1hz6a8...SFJ000Rev1.pdf
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:33 AM   #17188
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Lol i like it. It would be awesome if they made an impreza rally trim, and the new wrx be the street beast.

Cool pic, but i doubt it means anything.
It's a photoshop and a bad one at that. The water is too smooth in many parts of the image, water splashes in the front of the car are too low compared to the sides, etc...

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Old 03-29-2013, 09:57 AM   #17189
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:26 AM   #17190
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being a Honda guy for years, i have had a few Honda friends (no, not the ricer variety...just regular folks driving a variety of Civics and Accords or Acuras) and Subaru friends ask me how i liked my switch to Subaru the past year. i sent out this group response and decided it was worth posting here. (hopefully, it's not too much a waste of space)

i'd love to hear other people's thoughts. (and i hope this doesn't turn into an MPG flame war -- we already have two threads wasted on that topic!)

anyway, here is my one year review with about 9300 miles on the dial.


After 20 years of driving a Honda Civic of some form or another (primarily a 1985 Wagon and a 2000 Coupe), last year I shifted allegiances and bought a Subaru Impreza 5 door hatchback/wagon. Along with that change of brand, I gave up my 5 speed manual shifter for an easy driving CVT automatic transmission. (so that my wife could drive my car in a pinch.)

The Good:
- This car is extremely functional. It reminds me of a stretched out, modern day version of my old Honda Civic Wagon. While this cars footprint is no bigger than my Civic Coupe it replaced, the passenger and potential cargo volume (with the rear seats down) are tremendous and helpful, especially with a new baby and all of the accessories needed to keep her happy.
- the seats are very comfortable for an "economy" car. i have lower back problems and this car was by far the most comfortable of the cars i test drove.
- Although i have yet to take the car into the snow, the performance of the AWD is readily felt when driving both on dry and wet roads. the car corners extremely well and it tracks the road nicely well above any rated speeds (e.g., tight turns/curves). it was this great handling and feel that lead me to buy the car. it's the driving characteristics of the Impreza that keep reminding me that i made the right choice, even with some of my complaints and dissapointments (see below)
- although not tested yet, i like having the capability of driving it in snow and inclement weather with AWD available.
- when driven modestly, it delivers decent fuel economy (not great though -- see below)
- the interior may seem plain and boring to many, but its clean and functional. i like the dash and instrumentation layout. everything makes sense and i can keep my eyes on the road
- modern creature comforts are great (and of course are often found in the competing cars, too) i especially like the hidden USB/ipod/bluetooth integration and dual power ports. I also like the fact that i was able to easily add a rear backup camera to the car and have it function with the existing head unit. I also love the auto-dimming homelink mirror. i'll buy that with any future car we buy.
- although the car is low to the ground, changing oil in this car is easy, especially with the easy access oil filter with anti-drip valve from the top side.


The Bad
- fit and finish is only fair for this car. While the car looks good inside and out, close inspection reveals a mediocre paint job (not a big deal living in the CA climate, but the proper angle of viewing shows an "orange peel effect" that is becoming common not just on Subarus but other cars I've seen (To be fair, as it turned out, the paint job on the hood of my 2000 Civic was poor and led to blistering after only 6 years, even though the car was garaged.).
- rattles galore: As much as have done many DIY fixes and got the dealer to track down one annoying one near the steering column, there are numerous other small intermittent rattles in the car that I haven't had time to diagnose or eliminate. my 12 year old Civic had many less rattles even in the latter stages of its life. i had heard Subarus were notorious for rattles, so i guess i was forewarned.
- Road noise (from rough roads) is readily is transmitted into the cabin. I'm guessing both cost and the interest of keep weight down led to less sound insulation. but in this day and age, the noise levels in the Impreza I would say are sub-par relative to competing cars like the Honda Civic (never known for being that quiet), Toyota Corolla, and Hyundai Elantra.
- I can't call it truly bad, but I'll finish my list saying that the CVT is not too bad. While it certainly doesn't give me the pleasure of shifting a manual transmission, I have slowly gotten used to it and it works well enough. As much as it is now in vogue thing to include paddle shifters formanual shifting, i think i would have preferred to manual shift it at the shift lever, which is more traditional. My hand normally rests there (hard to break a 20 year habit!) and I'm not used to shifting at the steering wheel.

The Ugly
- My interest in the Subaru Impreza came about primarily because this is the first generation of Impreza's where fuel efficiency became a supposed selling point. There used to be a steep penalty for owning an AWD car (and it appears there still is?), but the EPA ratings of 27/36/30 MPG city/highway/combined really caught my eye. These numbers were a few MPGs less than the latest Honda Civic, but the Impreza was a much better drive than the 2012 Civic. I was willing to lose a few miles per gallon in a heartbeat given how unimpressed I was with the Civic. Coming from my 2000 Civic rated at a 25/32 MPG city/highway, I was however confident that I'd exceed what I was used to for fuel economy and that would be good enough.

As it turns out, it seems manufacturers these days have designed their cars to do well on the EPA tests yet often fall short in real world situations. while I can get respectable mileage in this car in the grand scheme of things, it is challenging to hit EPA numbers. (see lawsuits with Hyundai and Kia owners)

In my previous Civic, iInever saw lower than 26MPG in the 12+ years of ownership, even in the worst of conditions. I could reliably get well over 30 in mixed driving (75% suburbia driving/25% highway), and get at least 40MPG if I kept the speed at 70MPH or lower for a pure highway trip.

I cannot come close those achievements/numbers in the Impreza under similar conditions, in spite of its loftier EPA estimates. For similar driving "worst conditions," i have seen a tank register as low as 23MPG for pure suburbia city driving. For a normal tank, I get about 28MPG mixed vs the typical 31-32MPG mixed on my previous car.

While i managed to achieve 40MPG on one tank for the Impreza. I achieved that by keeping the speed around 60MPH. For a similarly constrained drive on my old Civic, i'd see MPG numbers north of 45MPG.

As far as i can deduce, this car really penalizes the user for fuel consumption in two cases: speeds in excess of 65MPH and when warming up for the first 5 miles after the engine has been sitting for an extended period. i know both of these penalties are true for all cars, but with the Impreza, these two conditions drastically reduce fuel economy relative to other cars I've owned and driven. Why? I'm not entirelysure. I speculate that the former is potentially due to extra drag from the AWD drivetrain at higher speeds that isn't found in FWD cars (this is pure speculation), and the former problem is due to the car taking longer to warm up than comparable small cars since it has a huge 5.3qt oil capacity and a CVT transmission programmed towards emissions rather than fuel economy when the car is cold.

In the end, I would still buy this car again. the good still manage to outweigh the bad and ugly. Or perhaps, the problem is that there are no real alternatives in the size and price class of this car. Last year I test drove and investigated the Mazda 3, Hyundai Elantra, Toyota Prius (normal and C), Ford Focus, Honda Fit, Honda Civic, and Honda Insight. None of them combined the driving feel and utility (spaciousness was not a strong suit for the Focus or Mazda which had decent driving dynamics) of the Impreza. the Civic, my 2nd choice when I bought the Impreza was a major disappointment relative to the expectations set by my 2000 model. While the car wasn't horrible, the 2012 Civic felt cheap inside and handled like a boat relative to my old one. The 2013 Civic supposedly addresses many of the shortcomings that I found in the 2012 version. and if I could start again today, maybe it would have been good enough for me to stay a Honda guy. Only a test drive would answer that question.

But it's all done now. The Impreza wagon has been more than satisfactory in the first year of ownership. While I have list of caveats to my recommendation of this car over others, I am still fond of it. It is fun to drive, functional, and a car i doubt i'll grow tired of, even with its shortcomings (assuming it stays reliable over the years). It'll be interesting to see what cars will be available to replace it in 10-12 years....
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Old 03-29-2013, 12:12 PM   #17191
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being a Honda guy for years, i have had a few Honda friends (no, not the ricer variety...just regular folks driving a variety of Civics and Accords or Acuras) and Subaru friends ask me how i liked my switch to Subaru the past year. i sent out this group response and decided it was worth posting here. (hopefully, it's not too much a waste of space)
Thanks for the detailed writeup, I generally agree with what you said.

I love the practicality of the Impreza-- both in interior volume, and that all of the controls are exactly where they should be.

Re. MPG vs. Civic: I guess that's a tradeoff of the practicality, the Impreza's AWD adds a lot of weight and friction in the drivetrain.

I really wish there were other options for small, affordable cars with AWD. The only other ones I can think of are Toyota Matrix (AWD only on highest trim level), and Suzuki SX4 (No longer sold in US after this year). I'm happy with my Impreza, but having a few choices is a good thing.
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Old 03-29-2013, 12:13 PM   #17192
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I agree with your list, although I must say the MPG hasn't really been a negative for me. Although maybe I've been used to my friends having STI's and Evo's that just chug fuel. I too came from a Honda background - my last being a track prepped 11 Si. I swapped it out for my 13 Sport wagon with CVT mostly to drive a more "adult" and more "functional" vehicle. While the Si was 400x more fun to drive, the wagon does stuff that I could have NEVER done in the Si. I moved this past weekend, and this car really shined there. It even fit a 55" Samsung LED TV (in box) perfectly. haha No complaints here on that! I would buy this car again, and I constantly suggest others to do so too. Here in Pittsburgh we get a wiiiiiide variety of weather, so the AWD is excellent. My uncle has an 12 Sport Limited wagon (his 12th Subaru), and my Dad is looking into a new Crosstrek.
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Old 03-29-2013, 12:17 PM   #17193
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Well... that was lengthy & I skimmed through some but it's a fair assessment. My first car was an Acura Integra, drove some older model Accords & a Civic. I agree with you on everything. Especially road noise & fuel economy. We were spoiled with fuel economy in Hondas. I don't find the interior or exterior any cheaper or less attractive than Honda. In fact the interior reminds me of my Integra. I will say that Honda has gotten too cheap with their Civic now. In fact one of the reasons I steered clear regardless of the cost. Not the Civic of the past. I prefer the Accord now. But I wanted AWD, cheap & fuel economy & Subaru won that hands down. I'm disappointed in the fuel economy but have accepted what I cannot change. The switch over seemed like nothing to me. I have confidence in all Japanese cars. Growing up we had Toyotas & Subarus. Then all Hondas & now our family drives an Impreza, 2 Outbacks & an Accord. We're very faithful to our Japanese.
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Pretty much the same for me also, I'm coming from the jeep world, 97/98 Cherokee, Grand cherokee and two wranglers, all 4 at the same time. I'm loving getting more than the 22mpg highway in the Cherokee and Grand and 16-18 in the wranglers, flat grill, flat windshield=12 foot shed being pushed down the road. Only having to fill the sport every every 9 days vs twice a week for the jeeps is wonderful. I was very happy with the interior room, at 6'4" that is the first thing I have to see on any car or truck I look at.
The only downside so far is having to buy a set of ramps for oil changes, the jeeps I just crawled under with a wrench, drain pan and grease gun. Maintenance in the sport is going to be harder but I hope there will be less. Other than improving the fog lights with ones that actually do the job I'm pretty happy with it and like you lets see where that sits in 8-10 years.
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Well... that was lengthy & I skimmed through some but it's a fair assessment. My first car was an Acura Integra, drove some older model Accords & a Civic. I agree with you on everything. Especially road noise & fuel economy. We were spoiled with fuel economy in Hondas. I don't find the interior or exterior any cheaper or less attractive than Honda. In fact the interior reminds me of my Integra. I will say that Honda has gotten too cheap with their Civic now. In fact one of the reasons I steered clear regardless of the cost. Not the Civic of the past. I prefer the Accord now. But I wanted AWD, cheap & fuel economy & Subaru won that hands down. I'm disappointed in the fuel economy but have accepted what I cannot change. The switch over seemed like nothing to me. I have confidence in all Japanese cars. Growing up we had Toyotas & Subarus. Then all Hondas & now our family drives an Impreza, 2 Outbacks & an Accord. We're very faithful to our Japanese.
i grew in a family that rolled through all kinds of Makes (opel, porsche, audi - German, Ford and Buick (the latter was a disaster and a one time buy) and Japanese (Toyota, Honda, Acura). the latter were the favorites by far.

the 2012 Civic turned me off with the cheap interior and poor handling. i actually liked the way the Fit drove, but it felt way too cheap for a $18k car (reminded me of a modern day version of my 1985 Civic Wagon, but with too high a price tag for what one was getting in "refinement").

the 2013 Civic is supposed be a massive improvement (according to the automotive press) but i have yet to see or drive one myself. some friends are in the market for a new car soon, so i may have the opportunity to check it out. it does sound like the 2013 Accord is a winner if you don't need AWD. i know of two people who bought them and are very happy with them (although i haven't had the chance to ride in one yet).

sounds like we are similar: the less than expected mileage on the Impreza is something i've accepted since i can't change it. (and it's not poor enough to make me want to change cars. the other positives of the Impreza outweigh this one disappointment)
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Old 03-29-2013, 12:34 PM   #17196
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Pretty much the same for me also, I'm coming from the jeep world, 97/98 Cherokee, Grand cherokee and two wranglers, all 4 at the same time. I'm loving getting more than the 22mpg highway in the Cherokee and Grand and 16-18 in the wranglers, flat grill, flat windshield=12 foot shed being pushed down the road. Only having to fill the sport every every 9 days vs twice a week for the jeeps is wonderful. I was very happy with the interior room, at 6'4" that is the first thing I have to see on any car or truck I look at.
The only downside so far is having to buy a set of ramps for oil changes, the jeeps I just crawled under with a wrench, drain pan and grease gun. Maintenance in the sport is going to be harder but I hope there will be less. Other than improving the fog lights with ones that actually do the job I'm pretty happy with it and like you lets see where that sits in 8-10 years.
i don't know if you've already bought your ramps, but i have gotten by just fine driving up the car onto a pair of 2x6's. that extra 1.625" of clearance is enough for me and my oil pan to do the oil change fairly easily. (i have jack stands and a jack too, but this is good enough for oil changes)
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mpg wise I get about the same as the 09 accord ex. sometimes there is a 2mpg diff but thats about it, more attributable to the way I drive. As for rattles my honda rattled as did my 2010 civic. accord was more rattles in the dash and the rear trunk area creaked like a stuck pig. civic was a little noisy at random places based on time of year. road noise is the same as a honda so thats a wash, ditto for fit and finish that you can blame on eco friendly paint. I don't know if you had test driven cvts but yeah they suck big time esp coming from a 5 spd. I have driven the honda, subaru, hyundai, nissan cvt and they are all bland I prefer a regular honda auto to the cvt even with its many issues. This car does a few things well and has shortcomings in others. As for the 2013 I am afraid that civic is a dud as well, they did change up a few pieces externally and improved the interior material, this is from a guy who had a 09 accord which honda said they lowered the quality of the interior due to the economic crisis which is why they had to overcompensate with the new accord. The driving characteristics of the 2013 civic remain the same unfortunately, I loved the 8th gen civics they were nice throw in the corner, play toys. These new cars are just plain jane duds. For the accord as I did with the imp I changed out the sway bar, it had the front strut tower but the car still rocked back and forth like a boat and was not very nimble. I really hope honda brings back the fun no matter how nice the accord looks its still handles like a boat, please to all car manufacturers I want a fun to drive car that I love to get into on sundays to drive around stop ruining cars damn you.
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i don't know if you've already bought your ramps, but i have gotten by just fine driving up the car onto a pair of 2x6's. that extra 1.625" of clearance is enough for me and my oil pan to do the oil change fairly easily. (i have jack stands and a jack too, but this is good enough for oil changes)
I may look at this weekend, now that it is above 30 around here, see how far back the plug is. I'm not even sure if my 10 ton floor jack can fit under all the plastic trim on the sport. We will see, thanks for the suggestion, I might even still have the 2x8 ramps I made out of scraps years ago out in the shed.
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...and that all of the controls are exactly where they should be.
Except for the seat heater switches. What a design brain fart that was. I guess Subaru realized this too, since the new Forester has the seat heater switches in a logical position (in front of the shift/gear selection lever).
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Every time I get in a WRX, the seats fit like a glove. Been thinking of tracking some down. Will new WRX seats fit/bolt up to our cars?
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