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Old 03-28-2013, 08:56 AM   #26
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no manual will be offered...

FU Audi and your 54000 dollar S3 HA HA.

Also to all those bitching about a transverse engine, the EVO X seems to have NO issues mopping the floor with all cars anywhere near its price range in terms of performance...

so engine configuration is not nearly as important as Engineering
This is quite common. Advancements in "active" technology means a lot of AWD systems are "on-demand" these days. Use a FWD platform with a power transfer unit to send power to a rear coupling. When AWD is needed the rear coupling is engaged and does it's job. When AWD is not needed you are a FWD car with less driveline drag and better fuel economy.

The Evo has not been unique for a very long time. I'm pretty sure every GM car and crossover with an AWD system uses a similar configuration, and has for the last 10 years. I believe Ford use a similar configuration for their AWD systems. To the best of my knowledge the Land Rover Evoque will also use a transverse engine and on-demand AWD system in the latest revision due to start production in September.
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:30 AM   #27
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To each his own, of course, but you don't find the front overhang and the hood curvature from this angle to be.. somewhat cheap looking?



For the record, I'm fine with everything from A-pillar and back. If I cover the front part, I see a very nice looking sedan. But if I cover the A-pillar and back, I see a very front-heavy looking car where there seems to be about 4 times more mass in front of the front wheels than what is in-between the wheel and the root of the A pillar. I guess I have a front-overhang allergy, that was also the least favorite part of my old WRX.
You have new European pedestrian crash standards to thank for that.
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:54 PM   #28
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what are the size dimensions for the sedan? Looks pretty tiny (even smaller than a first gen a4)
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:19 PM   #29
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what are the size dimensions for the sedan? Looks pretty tiny (even smaller than a first gen a4)
1994 A4 2014 A3 2013 A4
Length: 178” 175.5” 185.1"
Width: 68.2” 70” 71.9"
Height: 55.7” 55.7” 56.2"
Wheelbase:103.0" 103.92" 110.6"

1994 A4 specs from Wiki
2014 A3 specs from LeftLane News blurb on NYAS introduction
2013 A4 specs from Wiki/AudiUSA.com

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Old 03-28-2013, 02:20 PM   #30
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You have new European pedestrian crash standards to thank for that.
I'm pretty sure you are right. The newer models are all coming out with these hoods that look like inflated balloons. Then they try to hide the height of the hood by placing the grille+headlamps low, and making the hood curve down rapidly as it approaches the grille.

In most cases, it just doesn't work especially with darker colors. The only way to get it right IMO is to make a sculpted hood where the sides of the hood are lower than the center, so that the center doesn't have to curve down so much while still lowering the visual height of the front end. Like the new E class.

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Old 03-28-2013, 04:21 PM   #31
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1994 A4 2014 A3
Length: 178 175.5
Width: 68.2 70
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Germans be getting fat!
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Old 03-28-2013, 10:52 PM   #32
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Why can't these German companies offer AWD and diesel here? I'd sit on plastic for that.
If there's a quattro A3 TDI, will I be seeing you at Audi meets?

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Old 03-28-2013, 10:56 PM   #33
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You have new European pedestrian crash standards to thank for that.
They should have mandated padded walking suits and helmets so we would have better looking cars. I hate idiotic pedestrian safety standards.
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:30 AM   #34
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1994 A4 2014 A3
Length: 178 175.5
Width: 68.2 70
Height: 55.7 55.7


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2014 A3 specs from LeftLane News blurb on NYAS introduction
Thanks, it even looks like the B4 S4, very appealing.
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Old 03-29-2013, 10:53 AM   #35
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Thanks, it even looks like the B4 S4, very appealing.
No prob. This has captured my interest as well...
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Old 03-29-2013, 12:34 PM   #36
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I dunno...I still find it to be 99% perfect (looks wise anyway). I dig it!!!
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Old 03-29-2013, 04:23 PM   #37
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+1 to the TDI awd... /fap
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:43 PM   #38
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If there's a quattro A3 TDI, will I be seeing you at Audi meets?

-Dennis
Hey Dennis! long time no see.

Short answer is no. Actually having experienced the joy of owning an actual Jetta in the past* I very much doubt I will partake in the VWAG experience again any time soon. I have a friend who's a long-time Audi owner who keeps trying to convince me I need a CPO Q7 TDI, but I think he's just trying to get referral money from his sales buddies.


* I bought said Jetta at Holcombe Motor Company. You may remember them.
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Old 03-31-2013, 10:47 AM   #39
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For those that are bitching about lack of manual transmission, a petition has been set up on Change.org:

https://www.change.org/petitions/aud...l-transmission

For those of you questioning the effectiveness of a petition, forum polls were able to sway the plans of the 2012 VW Golf R and successfully won over the manual transmission for thr US market.

I for one love the new design (minus the lack of manual transmission). If they bring the S3 sedan with a manual transmission, that will certainly be my wife's car. If they bring the RS3 sportback with a manual transmission, I will gladly part with my WRX for it.
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:34 AM   #40
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Hey Dennis! long time no see.

Short answer is no. Actually having experienced the joy of owning an actual Jetta in the past* I very much doubt I will partake in the VWAG experience again any time soon. I have a friend who's a long-time Audi owner who keeps trying to convince me I need a CPO Q7 TDI, but I think he's just trying to get referral money from his sales buddies.

* I bought said Jetta at Holcombe Motor Company. You may remember them.
Oh yeah, I remember your problems. My wife replaced her 99 Outback with a 2011 3.2 Q5 S Line after nearly falling asleep test driving the '11 H6 Outback. The interior in the OB wasn't even as nice as her '99. She get's 6% off in the Supplier program through her job. Oddly enough, her Q5 has made less trips to the dealer than any of our Subaru's and only for scheduled maintenance.

I can see myself possibly getting an S3 in a few years and keeping the FXT as a beater.

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petition signed. I had to sign it, I am the beneficiary of the manual 2013 Golf R.

Lets keep our fingers crossed.
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:26 AM   #42
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petition signed. I had to sign it, I am the beneficiary of the manual 2013 Golf R.

Lets keep our fingers crossed.
Atta boy. Since its relevant to this thread, how do you like the Golf R? I had a MKIV R32. Very much wish it was offered as turbo back then. I really like how they offer it as a 4dr now as well.
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Old 04-01-2013, 01:34 PM   #43
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Oh yeah, I remember your problems. My wife replaced her 99 Outback with a 2011 3.2 Q5 S Line after nearly falling asleep test driving the '11 H6 Outback. The interior in the OB wasn't even as nice as her '99. She get's 6% off in the Supplier program through her job. Oddly enough, her Q5 has made less trips to the dealer than any of our Subaru's and only for scheduled maintenance.

I can see myself possibly getting an S3 in a few years and keeping the FXT as a beater.

-Dennis
Nicely done. My FXT is approaching beater status as well. I'll have to drop you a line soon.
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Old 04-01-2013, 04:39 PM   #44
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Wonder if they'll keep the 27K price point?
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:14 PM   #45
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Wonder if they'll keep the 27K price point?
Nah prices incrementally go up usually with inflation, cost of materials, etc...
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I think they said the A3 will start at $28k. And the S3 will start at $39k.
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transverse mounted = Haldex AWD system...

Like on the TT among other models..


And Haldex aren't that reliable..
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I used to think that way...

Then I realized that in 99% of the situations, Haldex IV is just as good as any other AWD system.
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I think they did a good job of making the A3 look mature for its size...its something that isn't easily accomplished especially when attached to a luxury brand.
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transverse mounted = Haldex AWD system...

Like on the TT among other models..


And Haldex aren't that reliable..
What makes you think that Haldex based AWD systems aren't reliable?

The Audi A3/S3/RS3, TT/TT-S/TT-RS, VW R32/Golf R, Mazdaspeed 6, and a many other cars have Haldex based AWD systems. The main benefit is fuel economy and less drivetrain loss when no wheel slip is detected.

With the ability to swap out the Haldex controller for a more aggressive controller, I don't see how Torson based systems are all that much better.

Yeah I'd prefer a Torson based system with a DCCD, but I'd also like the benefits of higher mpg's the Haldex systems provide. Either way, they're both great all weather options and each have their own pros and cons.
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