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Old 03-31-2013, 04:51 PM   #4076
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Hand calc'd my 2nd fill on my XV, 27.9mpg. Getting better.

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Old 04-01-2013, 12:37 AM   #4077
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Buffalo > Pittsburgh 226 miles
55 degrees, sunny & dry, no vent used, no defrost or AC, windows closed, moonroof open for last few miles only
One stop @ a rest stop, but aside from that 100% highway
Cruise Control set at 71 mph (speed limit 65, but with the end of the month quota & holiday traffic, cops everywhere so I used the cruise to keep off my lead foot)
Gauge read AVG MPH at 64
MPG 32.1

Pittsburgh > Buffalo 226 miles
50 degrees & raining, no vent used, no AC or defrost, windows closed
One stop for gas & coffee
Only used Cruise Control about 50% of the time but was set to 75mph, when off cruise was typically right around 78mph
Gauge read AVG MPH 65
MPG 32.4

(yes these are gauge MPG figures but with my dealer adjusting the gauge & accounting for the odometer error, the AVG MPG gauge is typically within .1-.2 MPG accurate)

Keep in mind that there's still winter fuel blends here. A friend of mine just got a 2013 that he picked up in November & on his ride down at 70mph on Cruise Control (we both have CVTs) he got 34 MPG calculated. These are honestly my best #s yet. But I still get annoyed that I'm 2 shy of him. I feel my car will always be on the lower end regardless of variables. But I will say, if I were to drive at 55 or 60 MPH, I'd probably be close to 36 MPG. It seems at 73/75ish I can get into the low 30s & at 80MPH I'm right around 30. I'll take it. I'm happy with my highway experience finally.

Now if only my "extreme city" or whatever you call it wasn't so awful my mixed #s wouldn't disappoint me so. I've always said that from the beginning, my problem really is with EPA's definition of city driving.
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Old 04-01-2013, 12:49 AM   #4078
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Buffalo > Pittsburgh 226 miles
55 degrees, sunny & dry, no vent used, no defrost or AC, windows closed, moonroof open for last few miles only
One stop @ a rest stop, but aside from that 100% highway
Cruise Control set at 71 mph (speed limit 65, but with the end of the month quota & holiday traffic, cops everywhere so I used the cruise to keep off my lead foot)
Gauge read AVG MPH at 64
MPG 32.1

Pittsburgh > Buffalo 226 miles
50 degrees & raining, no vent used, no AC or defrost, windows closed
One stop for gas & coffee
Only used Cruise Control about 50% of the time but was set to 75mph, when off cruise was typically right around 78mph
Gauge read AVG MPH 65
MPG 32.4

(yes these are gauge MPG figures but with my dealer adjusting the gauge & accounting for the odometer error, the AVG MPG gauge is typically within .1-.2 MPG accurate)

Keep in mind that there's still winter fuel blends here. A friend of mine just got a 2013 that he picked up in November & on his ride down at 70mph on Cruise Control (we both have CVTs) he got 34 MPG calculated. These are honestly my best #s yet. But I still get annoyed that I'm 2 shy of him. I feel my car will always be on the lower end regardless of variables. But I will say, if I were to drive at 55 or 60 MPH, I'd probably be close to 36 MPG. It seems at 73/75ish I can get into the low 30s & at 80MPH I'm right around 30. I'll take it. I'm happy with my highway experience finally.

Now if only my "extreme city" or whatever you call it wasn't so awful my mixed #s wouldn't disappoint me so. I've always said that from the beginning, my problem really is with EPA's definition of city driving.
SleepNMnky, I was strongly considering trading in my car for a VW TDI, however by doing the calculations (with my car getting 27 MPG and the TDI getting 40) I would only be saving like $2,300 over the course of 60k miles! Not worth it from the financial side of things. That put things in perspective when I complain to my wife about getting lower than EPA mileages and how I could be getting so much better mileage in a TDI.
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Old 04-01-2013, 01:35 AM   #4079
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Buffalo > Pittsburgh 226 miles
55 degrees, sunny & dry, no vent used, no defrost or AC, windows closed, moonroof open for last few miles only
One stop @ a rest stop, but aside from that 100% highway
Cruise Control set at 71 mph (speed limit 65, but with the end of the month quota & holiday traffic, cops everywhere so I used the cruise to keep off my lead foot)
Gauge read AVG MPH at 64
MPG 32.1

Pittsburgh > Buffalo 226 miles
50 degrees & raining, no vent used, no AC or defrost, windows closed
One stop for gas & coffee
Only used Cruise Control about 50% of the time but was set to 75mph, when off cruise was typically right around 78mph
Gauge read AVG MPH 65
MPG 32.4

(yes these are gauge MPG figures but with my dealer adjusting the gauge & accounting for the odometer error, the AVG MPG gauge is typically within .1-.2 MPG accurate)

Keep in mind that there's still winter fuel blends here. A friend of mine just got a 2013 that he picked up in November & on his ride down at 70mph on Cruise Control (we both have CVTs) he got 34 MPG calculated. These are honestly my best #s yet. But I still get annoyed that I'm 2 shy of him. I feel my car will always be on the lower end regardless of variables. But I will say, if I were to drive at 55 or 60 MPH, I'd probably be close to 36 MPG. It seems at 73/75ish I can get into the low 30s & at 80MPH I'm right around 30. I'll take it. I'm happy with my highway experience finally.

Now if only my "extreme city" or whatever you call it wasn't so awful my mixed #s wouldn't disappoint me so. I've always said that from the beginning, my problem really is with EPA's definition of city driving.
thanks for the report! how many total miles do you have on your car now? your numbers seem in line with my experience. i think 36 is achievable with cruise set at 65MPH. i got 40MPH for driving 60-65 (probably closer to 60 overall as the average after i pulled off the freeway (100miles) was at 58-59.
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Old 04-01-2013, 02:09 AM   #4080
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thanks for the report! how many total miles do you have on your car now? your numbers seem in line with my experience. i think 36 is achievable with cruise set at 65MPH. i got 40MPH for driving 60-65 (probably closer to 60 overall as the average after i pulled off the freeway (100miles) was at 58-59.
Just hit 20,000 this trip.
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Old 04-01-2013, 04:39 AM   #4081
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Cvt hatch here. Toronto to sudbury cruise on at 105kph. Hand calculated at 6.4l /100km.
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Old 04-01-2013, 09:47 AM   #4082
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Buffalo > Pittsburgh 226 miles
55 degrees, sunny & dry, no vent used, no defrost or AC, windows closed, moonroof open for last few miles only
One stop @ a rest stop, but aside from that 100% highway
Cruise Control set at 71 mph (speed limit 65, but with the end of the month quota & holiday traffic, cops everywhere so I used the cruise to keep off my lead foot)
Gauge read AVG MPH at 64
MPG 32.1

Pittsburgh > Buffalo 226 miles
50 degrees & raining, no vent used, no AC or defrost, windows closed
One stop for gas & coffee
Only used Cruise Control about 50% of the time but was set to 75mph, when off cruise was typically right around 78mph
Gauge read AVG MPH 65
MPG 32.4

(yes these are gauge MPG figures but with my dealer adjusting the gauge & accounting for the odometer error, the AVG MPG gauge is typically within .1-.2 MPG accurate)

Keep in mind that there's still winter fuel blends here. A friend of mine just got a 2013 that he picked up in November & on his ride down at 70mph on Cruise Control (we both have CVTs) he got 34 MPG calculated. These are honestly my best #s yet. But I still get annoyed that I'm 2 shy of him. I feel my car will always be on the lower end regardless of variables. But I will say, if I were to drive at 55 or 60 MPH, I'd probably be close to 36 MPG. It seems at 73/75ish I can get into the low 30s & at 80MPH I'm right around 30. I'll take it. I'm happy with my highway experience finally.

Now if only my "extreme city" or whatever you call it wasn't so awful my mixed #s wouldn't disappoint me so. I've always said that from the beginning, my problem really is with EPA's definition of city driving.
I would be happy with those numbers, and like you said, when you can use regular summer fuel should be better yet
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Old 04-01-2013, 09:51 AM   #4083
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Cvt hatch here. Toronto to sudbury cruise on at 105kph. Hand calculated at 6.4l /100km.
Very similar to my results. Last trip was north bay to ottawa, first haft 6.2 and second half 5.9. No significant head wind, temp around 5C, cruise set at 100 kph.
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Old 04-01-2013, 03:40 PM   #4084
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Very similar to my results. Last trip was north bay to ottawa, first haft 6.2 and second half 5.9. No significant head wind, temp around 5C, cruise set at 100 kph.
Ride home was 6.2. No complaints here! Temp was about 0 all the way home. Little bit of head wind
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Old 04-01-2013, 06:38 PM   #4085
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Hand calc'd my 2nd fill on my XV, 27.9mpg. Getting better.

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2nd tank in mine was 28.5mpg, with a little more city driving than usual, call it 65ish% city.

With a CVT.
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:00 PM   #4086
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Just filled up on my way home from work. 391.8 / 12.250 = 31.983 MPG. Display stated 33.3 avg for tank. I finally reached the 30mpg club. Took 6k miles. Hope it is not just an anomoly.

Only variables that changed were after last fill - drove immediately back on highway for about 65 + miles, and today's refeul was full serve, first click, so not sure if the car was full. Mind you, I also remove pump after first click, but I am usally holding the pump while filling, this was set, guy walked away. The rest of the prev tank was my usual normal commute/drive needs.
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:26 PM   #4087
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Long weekend == yellow wall....

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Old 04-01-2013, 09:30 PM   #4088
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Long weekend == yellow wall....
Definitely looks like a long weekend
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Old 04-02-2013, 07:26 AM   #4089
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Just filled up, display said 32.1 mpg, odometer 339, took 11.08 gallons for 30.81...mpg. Granted that Sunday was some serious Pennsylvania hilly back road driving with a lot of 'oh, so that's where this road goes' moments... all for an Easter feast...
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:04 PM   #4090
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Last tank, 445 miles-13 gal-33.4 mpg
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:57 PM   #4091
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I'd just like to add that based on the launch powerpoint of the 2012 Impreza in NYC, the sedan has a drag coef of 0.306 and the hatch has a drag coef of 0.329. Regardless of what the EPA says, the drag coefficients provide a better indicator of fuel economy at highway speeds. Of course, drag becomes exponentially more important as speed increases; the sedan may have an easier time achieving the EPA highway mileage than the 5-door.

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Old 04-02-2013, 01:10 PM   #4092
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I'd just like to add that based on the launch powerpoint of the 2012 Impreza in NYC, the sedan has a drag coef of 3.06 and the hatch has a drag coef of 3.29. Regardless of what the EPA says, the drag coefficients provide a better indicator of fuel economy at highway speeds. Of course, drag becomes exponentially more important as speed increases; the sedan may have an easier time achieving the EPA highway mileage than the 5-door.
thanks for this info. this makes good sense.
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Old 04-02-2013, 01:27 PM   #4093
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0.329 is still pretty good. According to wikipedia, the toyota supra was the same value.
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Old 04-02-2013, 03:26 PM   #4094
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Well that's a drag
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Old 04-02-2013, 03:37 PM   #4095
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Many definitions of drag...
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:57 PM   #4096
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I'd just like to add that based on the launch powerpoint of the 2012 Impreza in NYC, the sedan has a drag coef of 0.306 and the hatch has a drag coef of 0.329. Regardless of what the EPA says, the drag coefficients provide a better indicator of fuel economy at highway speeds. Of course, drag becomes exponentially more important as speed increases; the sedan may have an easier time achieving the EPA highway mileage than the 5-door.
Interesting. 7% more drag but the same highway mpg?

Looking into the CR numbers, they do show the hatchback getting 2 mpg highway less than the sedan.

So why don't the EPA tests Subaru ran show that?
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Interesting. 7% more drag but the same highway mpg?
No, the 5MT sedan is rated 34, one higher than the hatch. I would expect this gap to widen with speed.
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Old 04-03-2013, 08:00 AM   #4098
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No, the 5MT sedan is rated 34, one higher than the hatch. I would expect this gap to widen with speed.
So would I, but the cvt's are both rated 36 highway. Oh, I see. 35.72 vs 35.74, and 33.30 vs 33.55, unrounded. I wonder why the larger difference with the manual?

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Perhaps final gear ratio?
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Possible it's the transmission, theoretically the cvt should be able to optimize the engine considering the drag where the 5 speed is just a fixed ratio. That works fine in the lab or on the flat at low speed, but as soon as the engine can't pull it anymore the mileage goes to heck.

I was looking forward to Consumer Reports doing a test with the 5-speed, but when they tested the hatchback they also picked a cvt.

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