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Old 03-27-2013, 03:58 PM   #26
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The Audi A4 has been doing fine with only 211HP for the past 3~5 years. Most Audi drivers feels like it's good enough.
That's funny, because I thought the A4 2.0 was one of the most boring cars I've ever driven. There is no way I would ever consider buying a 2.0 Audi anything for myself. They are heavy and slow.

As for comparing a GS to the A4, you're comparing an enthusiast oriented model to a schmucky wanna-be's car. No one cares if 211hp is good for an A4 b/c it isn't trying to be anything more than some pseudo luxury car. The GS however IS trying to be something more. In this day and age, if you are selling a performance model, you better make sure it has the performance to back it up. Doing anything but increasing the output of the motor isn't helping the GS's case. Being "good enough" was never a description that attracted me to any car, certainly not a sporty car.
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Old 03-27-2013, 04:57 PM   #27
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That's funny, because I thought the A4 2.0 was one of the most boring cars I've ever driven. There is no way I would ever consider buying a 2.0 Audi anything for myself. They are heavy and slow.

As for comparing a GS to the A4, you're comparing an enthusiast oriented model to a schmucky wanna-be's car. No one cares if 211hp is good for an A4 b/c it isn't trying to be anything more than some pseudo luxury car. The GS however IS trying to be something more. In this day and age, if you are selling a performance model, you better make sure it has the performance to back it up. Doing anything but increasing the output of the motor isn't helping the GS's case. Being "good enough" was never a description that attracted me to any car, certainly not a sporty car.
Sure the A4 perfs are lackluster. But, my point was it sells with only 211hp and it's about the same price as a Regal in GS trim. People in the market for these kind of sedans won't notice the missing 11 ponies of the GS.
True driving enthusiasts will go for a RWD sedan with the engine mounted longitudinally (like the Caddy ATS and others).
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:53 AM   #28
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That's funny, because I thought the A4 2.0 was one of the most boring cars I've ever driven. There is no way I would ever consider buying a 2.0 Audi anything for myself. They are heavy and slow.
Having owned a 2009 A4 and a 2011 A5 I am extremly curious to know what new car in that segment is fun and exciting for you to drive? I do agreee that the 2.0T is pretty slow even when paired with the 8 speed trans but boring wasn't my take away from those cars.
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Old 04-02-2013, 01:12 PM   #29
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Having owned a 2009 A4 and a 2011 A5 I am extremly curious to know what new car in that segment is fun and exciting for you to drive? I do agreee that the 2.0T is pretty slow even when paired with the 8 speed trans but boring wasn't my take away from those cars.
2013 Cadillac ATS 2.0t 6MT. If you haven't driven one, you should. Make sure you take it down a curvy road.
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Old 04-03-2013, 03:12 PM   #30
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2013 Cadillac ATS 2.0t 6MT. If you haven't driven one, you should. Make sure you take it down a curvy road.
I haven't driven the 6 speed manual but I did drive an ATS with teh 2.0T auto and while it is a fun car to drive I didn't think it was any more special then the A4 I have owned, I definitely wouldn't take it over the A5. I guess it is more of a perception thing though
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Old 04-05-2013, 12:00 AM   #31
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Nothing based on the W-body was fun; except useless wheelspin, bodyroll, and horrible exhaust drone.
Please go tell all the people with modified L67/L32 and LS4 powered Buick, Pontiac, and Chevy vehicles based on W-body your fairy tale...
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Old 04-05-2013, 12:47 AM   #32
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On the risk of taking this thread into an irritating divergence, the interior of it looks very Saaby.

I really like the Regal, too bad it's not selling well.
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Old 04-05-2013, 12:21 PM   #33
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Please go tell all the people with modified L67/L32 and LS4 powered Buick, Pontiac, and Chevy vehicles based on W-body your fairy tale...
I owned one (red monte carlo SS ), it was junk.

I lived in the same city as ZZP for 10 years, so I was surrounded by drone.
Many of the people I know with W-bodies have swapped to turbo. They all seem to have a great time constantly replacing transmissions, getting to the back three spark plugs, keeping head gaskets in one piece, and dealing with parts falling off the car.
Personally, I have fun watching them try to keep the car going straight with the steering wheel cut 90 degrees to compensate for torque steer.
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