Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Wednesday July 30, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > News & Rumors > Non-Subaru News & Rumors

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-07-2013, 12:52 AM   #26
HipToBeSquare
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 119958
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: (IA) flyover cornfield country
Vehicle:
1992 SVX LS-L

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SCRAPPYDO View Post
So your hobby is whining on the internet?

I do not make due, I make what I want happen, happen. I wanted a pure driving car that I
could restore, I bought my Z and started working on it. I did not sit on the internet boards whining incessantly about why they do not make a small RWD coupe that weighs less than 2300 lbs for less than 12000 dollars. Oh and make it without AC and without power steering because there is a hidden market for it.

If you want a raised up hatch coupe with AWD make it. TAke your SVX and get out your tools and get to work. You may start trend and become famous for starting a cool new trend.
Are you sure that you aren't the insane one?

Gee, you want a sports car, so you restore a sports car that was manufactured as a sports car. Wow.

Big departure there, man. You really turned a fastback RWD sports car into... A RWD sports car.

If there were a car on the market like I was looking for... I would already own it, or be making plans to purchase it.

Let me just conjure up tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in R&D, and construction to make a **one-off** car out of a completely DIFFERENT out of production car that is getting hard enough to support as-is.

Instead of asking that car manufacturers, who DO THAT FOR A LIVING, to make something a bit more interesting than they currently do, and making thousands of them, and selling them for their profit. Something they have the capital to do, and are well capable of, relatively easily.

The automotive industry has VERY high barriers to entry, as Fisker is the latest one to figure out, like DeLorean, and Tucker, and many others also have.

If building cars were so easy, everybody would put theirs together like a 1:1 model kit, in a weekend, and then drive it reliably to work and back for 5-10 years, with no down-time.

Sure.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
HipToBeSquare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013, 02:33 AM   #27
Len
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 39937
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: SF Bay Area
Vehicle:
2011 328i 6MT
LMB

Default

So how 'bout them Lexus, huh?
Len is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013, 09:14 AM   #28
SCRAPPYDO
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 873
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Just outside of Houston TX
Vehicle:
2013 F150 King Ranch
Datsun 71 240Z & 68 2000

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HipToBeSquare View Post
If building cars were so easy, everybody would put theirs together like a 1:1 model kit, in a weekend, and then drive it reliably to work and back for 5-10 years, with no down-time.



And yet you still ask them to build you a car day after day as if it were just like slapping legos together, since, 'they have all the parts already'.

You are the embodiment of insane. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Happy posting my friend.
SCRAPPYDO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013, 10:48 AM   #29
Optimus Prime
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 69847
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Cybertron
Vehicle:
2010 Evolution X

Default

Optimus Prime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013, 11:49 AM   #30
SCRAPPYDO
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 873
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Just outside of Houston TX
Vehicle:
2013 F150 King Ranch
Datsun 71 240Z & 68 2000

Default

I am more of a dutch spatula.
SCRAPPYDO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013, 11:53 AM   #31
Integra96
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 64196
Join Date: Jun 2004
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Vehicle:
2010 Family Sedan

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SCRAPPYDO View Post
amen to that. The IS250 really needs a transplant
Both IS motors need replacement. They're both nice and smooth, but aging designs that are a little short on power and fuel economy. A Lexus 3.5L V6 should have closer to 350 horsepower, direct injection, and eek out a few more miles per gallon.
Integra96 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013, 07:20 PM   #32
quentinberg007
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 7887
Join Date: Jun 2001
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Integra96 View Post

Both IS motors need replacement. They're both nice and smooth, but aging designs that are a little short on power and fuel economy. A Lexus 3.5L V6 should have closer to 350 horsepower, direct injection, and eek out a few more miles per gallon.
The 2GR-FSE already has DI and the 8AT in the '14 should help gas mileage. I think they just need to add a turbo 6 and turbo 4 to the lineup leaving the 2GR-FSE as the midrange engine. Some people (typical Lexus buyers) like N/A and that 3.5 is a great N/A engine.
quentinberg007 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013, 08:03 PM   #33
shikataganai
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 92634
Join Date: Aug 2005
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Vehicle:
2007 Land Cruiser
2013 LEAF

Default

I didn't read the diatribes above, but on the topic of 2-door CUV coupes has anyone brought up this yet?

shikataganai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013, 08:12 PM   #34
quentinberg007
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 7887
Join Date: Jun 2001
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shikataganai View Post
I didn't read the diatribes above, but on the topic of 2-door CUV coupes has anyone brought up this yet?
No longitudinal AWD, H2BS no care.
quentinberg007 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 11:54 AM   #35
HipToBeSquare
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 119958
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: (IA) flyover cornfield country
Vehicle:
1992 SVX LS-L

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shikataganai View Post
I didn't read the diatribes above, but on the topic of 2-door CUV coupes has anyone brought up this yet?

If you had read them.. you would have seen that I did mention Paceman, and 3-door Evoque, and have several times in various threads.

When Paceman gets 250hp+, which isn't that high a bar for a 2.0T anymore...

And more importantly, AWD that is permanently engaged, rather than 100% FWD, slip-reactive, and disabled entirely above 40mph...

When it gets actual AWD, rather than Faux-wheel-drive, I would be happy to consider buying it. Stylistically, I like it OK, and better than Countryman by far.

But Since Hammond reviewed Countryman as depressed-looking on Top Gear a little while back, I am not sure I could get this out of my head.
HipToBeSquare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 02:10 PM   #36
Calamity Jesus
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 44501
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: in a minefield of caddishness.
Vehicle:
1984 "Skeletor from
"He-Man"

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HipToBeSquare View Post
When Paceman gets 250hp+, which isn't that high a bar for a 2.0T anymore...
Every MINI has a 1.6T, though.. despite every new model being heavier than the basic Cooper Hardtop.

The AWD Paceman S is 543lbs (20.3%) heavier than the Cooper S and puts less power to the ground thanks to the extra losses through the AWD system.


I don't get the appeal of the Countryman or Paceman .. they'd be awesome cars with appropriately upsized engines, IMO.
Calamity Jesus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 02:30 PM   #37
HipToBeSquare
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 119958
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: (IA) flyover cornfield country
Vehicle:
1992 SVX LS-L

Default

Unless the front wheels spin, there are no extra losses, that is the point of faux-wheel-drive systems that are normally 100% FWD (or 100% RWD with front-wheel assist, but better inherent dynamics)

When the rear drivetrain is inactive, when the car is stationary or the rear wheels are rolling the same speed as the front wheels are pulling, the only drawback is vehicle weight. The system is designed for negligible drag losses in normal operation, to preserve MPGs. The tradeoff is that it is in no way pro-active in maintaining traction, and only activates after front traction is already lost.

The rear wheels are not normally engaged, and only engage when viscous fluid heats up due to speed differential between the front transaxle an the rear differential either being still, or playing come-along.

And really, there isn't much reason for Paceman and Countryman not to have a 2.0T. I guess I forgot, or didn't realize that the turbo engine was 1.6 liters, considering how ubiquitous 2.0 liter turbo 4s are becoming... it is like some sort of common confluence that everybody thinks 500ccs per cylinder with 4-cylinders is some sort of magic number now.

At least Evoque has the 2.0T, and a more involved, but similarly laid-out AWD system.
HipToBeSquare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 04:06 PM   #38
samagon
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 26859
Join Date: Oct 2002
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: undisputed COMBAT! champion
Vehicle:
of TXIC
I also like (oYo)!!!!

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SCRAPPYDO View Post

Look go buy a rally fighter...AWD ground clearance, Big HP, two doors, blah blah blah.

Nice, but for my money, I'd rather have the Mustang from Cherry 2000.

Doesn't the Evoque come with 2 doors?
samagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 04:47 PM   #39
HipToBeSquare
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 119958
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: (IA) flyover cornfield country
Vehicle:
1992 SVX LS-L

Default



Yes, and it is on the consideration list, but the Range Rover bit makes it a little expensive for what it is. Well over 40K.

Imagine what Subaru could do with a sleeked back, 3-door XV body shell, with design cues from the WRX Concept, with an FA20DIT engine, STI DCCD drivetrain, improved SI-Drive dynamics controls, and still keeping 7-8 inches of ground clearance.

Evoque wouldn't stand a chance, performance-wise.
HipToBeSquare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 05:29 PM   #40
Balantz
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 101457
Join Date: Nov 2005
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Vehicle:
Czar of Sweet Dance
Moves

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SCRAPPYDO View Post
I am more of a dutch spatula.
I disagree with your politics (and your H2BS-like obsessive railing against electric cars), but I sure do like your sense of humor. And your taste in hot hatches.
Balantz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 05:34 PM   #41
SCRAPPYDO
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 873
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Just outside of Houston TX
Vehicle:
2013 F150 King Ranch
Datsun 71 240Z & 68 2000

Default

nobody can agree on everything man... diversity is fun.
It gives us something to insult each other with.. HAHA

Just so you know, I never take it personally.

cough... EV such... cough..


SCRAPPYDO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2013, 01:10 PM   #42
chanomatik
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 159474
Join Date: Sep 2007
Chapter/Region: AKIC
Location: Anchorage (...for now...)
Vehicle:
2013 BRZ Ltd 6MT CBS
SNOSLO

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SCRAPPYDO View Post
nobody can agree on everything man... diversity is fun.
It gives us something to insult each other with.. HAHA

Just so you know, I never take it personally.

cough... EV such... cough..


They will make the perfect car just for you, but it will be an EV.

Hip will get his H6 300HP AWD coupe, but it'll be the last standing remnant to utilize the modified 4EAT, created as a classic throwback model.

Such is the way of the universe. My condolences to you gentlemen.
chanomatik is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2013, 01:23 PM   #43
OrbitalEllipses
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 178811
Join Date: Apr 2008
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: MoCo
Vehicle:
2013 WRB BRZ
:banana:

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chanomatik View Post
They will make the perfect car just for you, but it will be an EV.

Hip will get his H6 300HP AWD coupe, but it'll be the last standing remnant to utilize the modified 4EAT, created as a classic throwback model.

Such is the way of the universe. My condolences to you gentlemen.
Poetic justice.
OrbitalEllipses is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2013, 01:47 PM   #44
SCRAPPYDO
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 873
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Just outside of Houston TX
Vehicle:
2013 F150 King Ranch
Datsun 71 240Z & 68 2000

Default

Ah young one, the mere fact that it is an EV removes it from being the perfect vehicle.
SCRAPPYDO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2013, 01:58 PM   #45
4wdwrx
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 72042
Join Date: Oct 2004
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Sunshine
Vehicle:
2002 WRX impreza
WRB "Blue Mammoth"

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chanomatik View Post
They will make the perfect car just for you, but it will be an EV.

Hip will get his H6 300HP AWD coupe, but it'll be the last standing remnant to utilize the modified 4EAT, created as a classic throwback model.

Such is the way of the universe. My condolences to you gentlemen.
That is twilight zone stuff
4wdwrx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2013, 02:37 PM   #46
Calamity Jesus
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 44501
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: in a minefield of caddishness.
Vehicle:
1984 "Skeletor from
"He-Man"

Default

:fistbumpForChano:
Calamity Jesus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2013, 02:49 PM   #47
Calamity Jesus
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 44501
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: in a minefield of caddishness.
Vehicle:
1984 "Skeletor from
"He-Man"

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HipToBeSquare View Post
Unless the front wheels spin, there are no extra losses, that is the point of faux-wheel-drive systems that are normally 100% FWD (or 100% RWD with front-wheel assist, but better inherent dynamics)

When the rear drivetrain is inactive, when the car is stationary or the rear wheels are rolling the same speed as the front wheels are pulling, the only drawback is vehicle weight. The system is designed for negligible drag losses in normal operation, to preserve MPGs. The tradeoff is that it is in no way pro-active in maintaining traction, and only activates after front traction is already lost.

The rear wheels are not normally engaged, and only engage when viscous fluid heats up due to speed differential between the front transaxle an the rear differential either being still, or playing come-along.
You're completely ignoring rotational mechanical losses of the driveshaft, PTU clutchpack, rear axles and rear diff.. all of which are absent on the 2WD models. They constitute a parasitic loss in addition to their weight. The only time a faux-AWD system is more efficient is when the car is travelling on the highway and there are different tires or tire pressures resulting in different front and rear axle speeds. In a Subaru with Continuous AWD, VTD or DCCD sees losses in those situations thanks to mechanical drag on the center diff because it has to spin the spider gears in a gear oil bath (thus wasting energy). Active AWD is a "faux-wheel-drive system" by your standards. An 4WD truck doesn't get the fuel mileage of a 2WD truck just because you haven't engaged the transfer case... you're still spinning all of that extra drivetrain.. but you're dragging it down the road instead of driving it directly.

Like the new Forester (Active AWD), the MINI system uses the car's VDC sensors to maintain an aggressive lock-up curve before slip should occur... and unlike Active AWD, the MINI can lock up individual rear axles from the rear diff (for some torque vectoring)... so while, yes.. it's still a faux-AWD, it's not necessarily crap.
Calamity Jesus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2013, 03:21 PM   #48
chanomatik
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 159474
Join Date: Sep 2007
Chapter/Region: AKIC
Location: Anchorage (...for now...)
Vehicle:
2013 BRZ Ltd 6MT CBS
SNOSLO

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SCRAPPYDO View Post
Ah young one, the mere fact that it is an EV removes it from being the perfect vehicle.
I will tolerate none of your word-mincing! Somehow they'll make it an EV with a robust 6-speed manual. You will cry in shame. We will cry tears of joy.
chanomatik is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2013, 03:23 PM   #49
SCRAPPYDO
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 873
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Just outside of Houston TX
Vehicle:
2013 F150 King Ranch
Datsun 71 240Z & 68 2000

Default

Will it come with a aural soundtrack that sends goosebumps up my spine through the stereo. I think not my good man.
SCRAPPYDO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2013, 03:34 PM   #50
samagon
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 26859
Join Date: Oct 2002
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: undisputed COMBAT! champion
Vehicle:
of TXIC
I also like (oYo)!!!!

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SCRAPPYDO View Post
I am more of a dutch spatula.
You know my dad is from the Netherlands, so that makes me half first generation, or something, but it's hard to call this in any way a derogatory comment making fun of the thrifty nature of Dutch people.

Cause I own one of these, as do all of my dutch relatives.

but name one other way you can get all the ketchup out of the bottle???!!! I can't just clean out the bottle to keep for possible reuse at some point without getting every ounce of ketchup out of the bottle, that would be wasteful!!!

I also remove nails from boards, straighten them back out and toss them in an old tin coffee can for later use.
samagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:19 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.