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Old 04-09-2013, 05:57 PM   #26
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Need to throw a log from one of my '12s in VD and see how they compare (if I have a good road log from one of them).

I know one of my cars went on a Mustang Dyno and one of Eric's cars went up a few minutes later and the numbers were different between them. I'd like to see what VD says since thats what you guys are using in this thread. lol

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Old 04-18-2013, 11:29 PM   #27
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not sure how relevant VD comparisons done on different cars in different places are but here is what my most recent stage 2 with cobb SF intake vs stock airbox looked. It does seem to fall roughly between stage 1 and 3 though

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Old 05-17-2013, 12:44 PM   #28
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My car is going on a DynoJet tomorrow so I'll have a real comparison!
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What was the ambient air temperature difference between the two pulls?
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not sure how relevant VD comparisons done on different cars in different places are but here is what my most recent stage 2 with cobb SF intake vs stock airbox looked. It does seem to fall roughly between stage 1 and 3 though

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pretty close, they were done a couple hours apart

the intake air temps were 59 dropping to 57 on the cobb run and 55 dropping to 54 on the stock airbox run

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Old 05-18-2013, 07:54 PM   #31
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Welp, my car finally hit the dyno today.

They were having grounding / interference issues on all of the hatchbacks, so my car was pretttty heatsoaked by the time they sorted everything out and did the pulls. On 91 octane I put down 291whp / 313 lb-ft (peak torque at 3k) on a DynoJet. Each run after that, it went down like 5-10whp from the heat and likely pulled timing too. I think the temps on the read out said 80F. AFR under boost leveled out to 11.4, so a tad rich (likely from chasing phantom feedback knock across 5 map revisions.)

I'm happy I guess, but bummed to fall short of 300whp for the day. I think with a cooler car, my eventual carbon fiber driveshaft & 93 octane it would be a 300+ whp car all day long. It was only 5whp short of another GR WRX that was running 93 & ELH though. His peak torque was at 2.5k... absolutely nuts.

And then the shop pulled out their Supra and put down 560 whp lol

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Welp, my car finally hit the dyno today.

They were having grounding / interference issues on all of the hatchbacks, so my car was pretttty heatsoaked by the time they sorted everything out and did the pulls. On 91 octane I put down 291whp / 313 lb-ft (peak torque at 3k) on a DynoJet. Each run after that, it went down like 5-10whp from the heat and likely pulled timing too.

I'm happy I guess, but bummed to fall short of 300whp for the day. I think with a cooler car, my eventual carbon fiber driveshaft & 93 octane it would be a 300+ whp car all day long. It was only 5whp short of another GR WRX that was running 93 & ELH though. His peak torque was at 2.5k... absolutely nuts.

And then the shop pulled out their Supra and put down 560 whp lol
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Old 05-18-2013, 08:45 PM   #33
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Not bad
There was someone else with your tune actually, TP stg II, 19psi, stock airbox, stock intercooler, etc and he put down 274whp, which is more than the Cobb OTS Stg 2 + Process West TMIC cars were doing. I guess it came down to boost.
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Old 05-18-2013, 09:00 PM   #34
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sounds about right

I think my virtual dynos fall around there in uncorrected virtual dyno mode(dynojet mode is (9% higher or something)

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Old 05-19-2013, 10:48 AM   #35
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Welp, my car finally hit the dyno today.

They were having grounding / interference issues on all of the hatchbacks, so my car was pretttty heatsoaked by the time they sorted everything out and did the pulls. On 91 octane I put down 291whp / 313 lb-ft (peak torque at 3k) on a DynoJet. Each run after that, it went down like 5-10whp from the heat and likely pulled timing too. I think the temps on the read out said 80F. AFR under boost leveled out to 11.4, so a tad rich (likely from chasing phantom feedback knock across 5 map revisions.)

I'm happy I guess, but bummed to fall short of 300whp for the day. I think with a cooler car, my eventual carbon fiber driveshaft & 93 octane it would be a 300+ whp car all day long. It was only 5whp short of another GR WRX that was running 93 & ELH though. His peak torque was at 2.5k... absolutely nuts.

And then the shop pulled out their Supra and put down 560 whp lol

That's actually pretty good. I've seen some of Eric's cars run pretty rich (sub 10.5:1) so 11.4 isn't bad. I have a '12 ("stage 3")that recently made 299/333 (dynojet) on 93oct (heatsoaked as well) so your results sound spot on!

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That's actually pretty good. I've seen some of Eric's cars run pretty rich (sub 10.5:1) so 11.4 isn't bad. I have a '12 ("stage 3")that recently made 299/333 (dynojet) on 93oct (heatsoaked as well) so your results sound spot on!

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Awesome, thanks for the info. hopefully next year, or this fall even, I'll be able to do better on the same tune; I'll just be sure to fill up with 93 (not available in Maine), I'll get my colder plugs installed, wrap my DP and I'll have my CF DS installed.

I might change the plugs right now actually.... It's a nice day out.
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eric says right on his site that the tunes are pretty rich

stage 1: Target WOT AFR's 10.8:1-10.5:1
stage 2: Target WOT AFR's 10.9:1-10.7:1
stage 3: Target WOT AFR's 11.0:1-10.8:1
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eric says right on his site that the tunes are pretty rich

stage 1: Target WOT AFR's 10.8:1-10.5:1
stage 2: Target WOT AFR's 10.9:1-10.7:1
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Ahh, so I'm running a tiny bit leaner than an intentionally rich range. Sounds good.

I just installed my One Step Colder plugs that have been on my shelf for a month. Hard to tell if it's just the tank of 93 that I was able to treat my car to yesterday, but it pulls slightly harder & smoother than before. Glad to finally have the install behind me though. Driver-side rear is a real PITA. The frame of the car makes it very difficult to get the ignition harness & tube on/off the plugs. I think half my time was spent messing with that, and fishing for a 12mm that dropped into the front end of the engine just to spice things up...

Here's my dyno run that someone recorded, (stock exhaust):


You can actually hear the slight sequel of a boost leak here at 19s. I just popped my hood and refitted & retightened all of the intercooler hoses. They were definitely a little loose!

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Injectors, fuel pump and wide band are on order. Going for the E85 conversion and a 93 octane tune for road trips. Can't wait!
Where your injectors maxed when you first flashed the stage III map?
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Eric at TP is the shiz no doubt about it. Used his stage 1 and 2, switch to accessport from opensource and he sent me all the tp accessport maps for free...Plan on him doing the stage 3 tune for me soon when the tmic finally arrives. You can't go wrong with Eric or TP.
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Eric at TP is the shiz no doubt about it. Used his stage 1 and 2, switch to accessport from opensource and he sent me all the tp accessport maps for free...Plan on him doing the stage 3 tune for me soon when the tmic finally arrives. You can't go wrong with Eric or TP.
Agreed.

I purchased his Stage 3 tune last May, 7 map revisions.
Swapped out my stock header for an ELH in October, 3 map revisions.
Noticed some FLKC a few months later, 2 more map revisions.

Nothing but praise for Eric.
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Any advice for an 11' WRX w/ Cobb OTS Stage 2 going to torqued performance stage 3? I currently have AEM CAI, Invidia Uppipe, Invidia Catted DP, Invidia q300 CBE, Invidia EL Headers, PERRIN TMIC. Gonna install Walbro 255 FP, Grimmspeed EBCS and NGK 1 step colder spark plugs.
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Any advice for an 11' WRX w/ Cobb OTS Stage 2 going to torqued performance stage 3? I currently have AEM CAI, Invidia Uppipe, Invidia Catted DP, Invidia q300 CBE, Invidia EL Headers, PERRIN TMIC. Gonna install Walbro 255 FP, Grimmspeed EBCS and NGK 1 step colder spark plugs.
We'll have almost identical cars, except I have stock catback, PW TMIC & DW65c FP.

Eric should be able to dial it in just fine.

Oh, make sure your fuel tank is almost empty before installing the pump... ask me how I know
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We'll have almost identical cars, except I have stock catback, PW TMIC & DW65c FP.

Eric should be able to dial it in just fine.

Oh, make sure your fuel tank is almost empty before installing the pump... ask me how I know
What kind of power are you making now? Did you get bigger injectors? I was wondering if I can install the fuel pump and just run on the cobb stage 2 ots map until I install the ebcs, 1 step colder spark plugs and flash the stage 3 map.
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What kind of power are you making now? Did you get bigger injectors? I was wondering if I can install the fuel pump and just run on the cobb stage 2 ots map until I install the ebcs, 1 step colder spark plugs and flash the stage 3 map.
No idea on power. It put down 291/313 before the header install & retune, and that was completely heatsoaked, so it's a completely different animal now, especially on a cool night, than on that dyno day. It's so much torque, in fact, that now my clutch slips if it's cold and you try to do a WOT, full boost pull.

Stock injectors, though they're maxed. The FP might be fine to swap out. I've heard people say you'll run rich if you just swap the pumps without a tune. Others say it's fine.

I seem to have a very faint higher pitched metal pinging sound when I rev the engine really high, like a pingy heatshield, but I don't have any heatshields left. It might be the IC shroud. No idea. It is certainly not engine/rod knock/spun bearing noise, but it still makes me paranoid.

This car is the master of mysterious impossible-to-find noises.

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No idea on power. It put down 291/313 before the header install & retune, and that was completely heatsoaked, so it's a completely different animal now, especially on a cool night, than on that dyno day. It's so much torque, in fact, that now my clutch slips if it's cold and you try to do a WOT, full boost pull.

Stock injectors, though they're maxed. The FP might be fine to swap out. I've heard people say you'll run rich if you just swap the pumps without a tune. Others say it's fine.

I seem to have a very faint higher pitched metal pinging sound when I rev the engine really high, like a pingy heatshield, but I don't have any heatshields left. It might be the IC shroud. No idea. It is certainly not engine/rod knock/spun bearing noise, but it still makes me paranoid.

This car is the master of mysterious impossible-to-find noises.
Agreed on the mystery noises. Did the stage 3 tune help at all with boost creep? I still get that every once in a while even though Im currently on the lowwastegate map.
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Agreed on the mystery noises. Did the stage 3 tune help at all with boost creep? I still get that every once in a while even though Im currently on the lowwastegate map.
I was actually low on boost and he dialed back the WGDC until it was hitting 20psi.

I think the cobb maps aren't aggressive enough with the wastegate and cause a lot of people to have boost creep issues.

Even driving like an idiot, I can't get over 21psi in even 30 degree weather.
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2014 WRX. Running the tp stage 3 map with cobb sf, cobb db, cnt catback, pw tmic, gs ebcs. Put it on a mustang dyno yesterday and pulled 302whp / 327wtq. Peak boost was about 19.5 at 4k rmp, so shy of the 20psi target. Conversion to a dynojet numbers would be something like 338whp / 366wtq. Numbers seems almost identical to yours byebyesrt8 I am pleased to say the least.

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2014 WRX. Running the tp stage 3 map with cobb sf, cobb db, cnt catback, pw tmic, gs ebcs. Put it on a mustang dyno yesterday and pulled 302whp / 327wtq. Peak boost was about 19.5 at 4k rmp, so shy of the 20psi target. Conversion to a dynojet numbers would be something like 338whp / 366wtq. I am pleased to say the least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn4aa49cfKU
My WRX put down 291/313 on a dynojet at Granite State Dyno with nearly identical mods. It was heatsoaked and on 91 oct, but I think the assumed difference between mustang & dynojets is extremely exaggerated; on a full Subaru dyno day, no GR put down over 300whp that day, including a few with TP tunes and even headers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1THYZ9GzoY
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My WRX put down 291/313 on a dynojet at Granite State Dyno with nearly identical mods. It was heatsoaked and on 91 oct, but I think the assumed difference between mustang & dynojets is extremely exaggerated; on a full Subaru dyno day, no GR put down over 300whp that day, including a few with TP tunes and even headers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1THYZ9GzoY
Did hey have a blower streaming air into your tmic? My first couple pulls were identical to your 291/313, then I had them take their blower going to the radiator, flip it upside down and put it on the tmic, this got me the 302/327

Edit: I can see in your vid the blower going to the front, put that sucker up top and I bet your numbers match mine.
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