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Old 04-08-2013, 09:39 PM   #51
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Old 04-09-2013, 09:16 AM   #52
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Vans.

comfy, lightweight, round heel, flat bottom, gummy soul
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:26 PM   #53
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You gotta make sure they are the higher end "off the wall" vans and not the department store kind. While the department store ones are good, the skate shop ones are great.
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Old 04-09-2013, 01:33 PM   #54
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I have my pedals bent a little where the gas is closer to the brake pedal, this can help you out as well. But honestly get in your car with it idling, put your foot on the brake pedal and get a feel for how far the gas pedal is away front the brake pedal. You will get to a point where you as well can heel/toe in any shoes
They have some great SRP pedals that have little extensions on the gas pedal for heel-toe's.

I like Vans, I have some Half Cabs that are great, they lace up a tad higher than most. I like the higher tops, laced well for driving, because sometimes my rubber floormats try to take my shoes off.

Converse Chuck Taylor's are great too, nice and narrow to get your foot into the corner for the gas pedal. They also have a nice skate line that are comfy and offered in suede.

These have nice thin soles so you can feel what the hell you're doing, and round heels for good pivot from gas to brake. Converse are a little longer, even when you size down like you're supposed to for them, which is actually nice for the "stretch" you need to heel toe. The narrow soles of the Converse are also nice for clearing the next pedal over when hitting a certain pedal (not like accidentally hitting the next pedal over really happens much anyway)

I used to skate so I feel I'm a bit biased in my choice of shoes!
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Old 04-09-2013, 02:46 PM   #55
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Old 04-09-2013, 03:07 PM   #56
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Old 04-09-2013, 03:25 PM   #57
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I have this pair of Felipe Massa's. They only come out at the track though.

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Old 04-09-2013, 03:27 PM   #58
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I wear Puma Speed Cats, they work like a charm.

Besides, Vans are for hipsters.
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Old 04-09-2013, 03:29 PM   #59
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I have this pair of Felipe Massa's. They only come out at the track though.

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Old 04-09-2013, 04:03 PM   #60
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The toes on shoes today are too pointy.. I wear redwing king toe boots at work, the most comfortable shoes I found were size 13 nikes from bells. They don't squeeze my toes together like pumas. Im not big either, 6 foot 185 lbs.
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I initially hated the speed cats when I had them. It made my foot estate smaller and the rounded edges slipped off the pedals so easily especially when it was wet. After about a month, regular shoes felt so bulky and clumsy.
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Old 04-09-2013, 09:24 PM   #62
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I bought a pair of Puma drift cats last year and wear them every day to drive in, then swap to my dress shoes when I get to work. So nice to drive in and they are comfortable to walk around in too
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Old 04-09-2013, 09:29 PM   #63
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I wear Puma Speed Cats, they work like a charm.

Besides, Vans are for hipsters.
Vans are for men. Pumas are commonly found on dudes that shave their arms
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Aka converse Allstars...
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Old 04-09-2013, 10:33 PM   #65
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Here's a picture of me in my driving shoes. They work great.











I wear a pair of Ralph Lauren driving loafers sometimes, they have a split sole and rounded heels, and are quite nice.
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thanks everyone for suggestions. they all helped, though i dont see myself wearing those vibram five fingers in public any time during my life For those who were talking about heel/toe shifting at the beginning of this thread, i have another question, but didnt want to start a whole other thread. my question: can you successfully heel/toe into gear from neutral? like having the engine at idle while you're braking into a turn and then heel/toe into gear? i know its possible, and have tried, but i feel like it might be something that is too precise for half of a foot to do, and may be unreliable, hence, unused. let me know, thanks.
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You can, it's not a problem. Depending on the downshift, you may consider blipping the throttle before depressing the clutch. This is effectively half of a "double clutch" and will spin up the input shaft, reducing the work load on the synchros.

It's generally not a good thing to be in neutral for any length of time while driving, but that is yet another different subject. If you already understand that, great.
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Old 04-09-2013, 11:04 PM   #68
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You can, it's not a problem. Depending on the downshift, you may consider blipping the throttle before depressing the clutch. This is effectively half of a "double clutch" and will spin up the input shaft, reducing the work load on the synchros.

It's generally not a good thing to be in neutral for any length of time while driving, but that is yet another different subject. If you already understand that, great.
yeah....let me know just exactly how that works for ya


and it sounds like you read something somewhere about all this but never did it
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You can, it's not a problem. Depending on the downshift, you may consider blipping the throttle before depressing the clutch. This is effectively half of a "double clutch" and will spin up the input shaft, reducing the work load on the synchros.

It's generally not a good thing to be in neutral for any length of time while driving, but that is yet another different subject. If you already understand that, great.
yeah heel/toeing a double clutch sounds very hard haha. but whats this about not having it in neutral a lot while driving? i do this very often, and dont double clutch back in
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When the car is in neutral, you're sacrificing a level of control. When the car is in gear, you have compression braking, maintenance throttle, and acceleration to choose from as ways to control the car. When it's in neutral, you lose these and only have the option of the slight slowing that happens with coasting in neutral. You have to go through an extra step - engaging a gear - to get those other controls back. It's not a huge deal, but it's something to choose with awareness, rather than let happen without thinking about it.

And about the double-clutch (or half-double-clutch) for going from neutral to a gear - If you're going from a low RPM (like idle in neutral or 45mph in 5th gear) to a high RPM (like 45mph in 2nd gear), you're asking the input shaft (from the engine) to go from a low speed to a high speed. If you do this without the rev while in neutral, the synchros in the transmission help match speeds. If you rev the engine while in neutral (with the clutch out), you're spinning everything up without using the synchros. It saves them a bit of wear. You can feel the difference when moving the shift lever. Sometime, when you're going along at a constant speed, shift from a rather low RPM to a high RPM, and do your throttle blip / rev match after depressing the clutch. Feel the resistance in the shift lever. Then go back to the lower RPM... and do the rev while the clutch is OUT and the transmission in neutral, and while the revs are still up, depress the clutch and engage the new gear. The shift lever will move much more easily.

It's not something you need to do, per se. It's something you can do to make things a bit easier on the transmission. The synchros are there specifically so that you don't have to do this extra step, but I like doing it anyway. I like that smoother feel, moving the shift lever.
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When the car is in neutral, you're sacrificing a level of control. When the car is in gear, you have compression braking, maintenance throttle, and acceleration to choose from as ways to control the car. When it's in neutral, you lose these and only have the option of the slight slowing that happens with coasting in neutral. You have to go through an extra step - engaging a gear - to get those other controls back. It's not a huge deal, but it's something to choose with awareness, rather than let happen without thinking about it.

And about the double-clutch (or half-double-clutch) for going from neutral to a gear - If you're going from a low RPM (like idle in neutral or 45mph in 5th gear) to a high RPM (like 45mph in 2nd gear), you're asking the input shaft (from the engine) to go from a low speed to a high speed. If you do this without the rev while in neutral, the synchros in the transmission help match speeds. If you rev the engine while in neutral (with the clutch out), you're spinning everything up without using the synchros. It saves them a bit of wear. You can feel the difference when moving the shift lever. Sometime, when you're going along at a constant speed, shift from a rather low RPM to a high RPM, and do your throttle blip / rev match after depressing the clutch. Feel the resistance in the shift lever. Then go back to the lower RPM... and do the rev while the clutch is OUT and the transmission in neutral, and while the revs are still up, depress the clutch and engage the new gear. The shift lever will move much more easily.

It's not something you need to do, per se. It's something you can do to make things a bit easier on the transmission. The synchros are there specifically so that you don't have to do this extra step, but I like doing it anyway. I like that smoother feel, moving the shift lever.

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i can do the whole thing in fractions of a second......less than 1/2 of one anyway

maybe you are doin it wrong, but i can assure you that im not
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yeah il double clutch going into first at 20 mph (seeing that the first gear synchro cant even get it up to that speed ) but other than that i just leave it alone. sorta curious to try now
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i can do the whole thing in fractions of a second......less than 1/2 of one anyway

maybe you are doin it wrong, but i can assure you that im not
It's not about speed, It's about mechanical empathy. Being kind to your transmission means you'll get more hard shifts on it before something goes critically wrong. I race in Lemons and Chump - endurance races with POS cars - and if we want to avoid breaking the transmission mid-race, we have to be kind to it. If you don't care about long-term wear or the smoother feel, don't do these things. It's not likely to have an impact on a street car for hundreds of thousands of miles, anyway. On the street, it's a personal preference/fun thing. I find it fun, so I do it.
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Here's a shotty diagram of how my foot is. I will take an actual picture tomorrow of my driving position. When I'm harder under braking I angle more so I can get a better feel for the braking, but daily driving this is how my foot is
Best diagram ever.
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It's not about speed, It's about mechanical empathy. Being kind to your transmission means you'll get more hard shifts on it before something goes critically wrong. I race in Lemons and Chump - endurance races with POS cars - and if we want to avoid breaking the transmission mid-race, we have to be kind to it. If you don't care about long-term wear or the smoother feel, don't do these things. It's not likely to have an impact on a street car for hundreds of thousands of miles, anyway. On the street, it's a personal preference/fun thing. I find it fun, so I do it.
ive never blown the clutch outta a car without trying

ive never blown the trans out of a car without trying

i have been driving mt cars for 35+ years and never had a car that wasnt modded and most were much modded

i have gone to great lengts on some cars to make them better/easier to heel/toe and i rarely get it wrong anymore

i can heel and toe and double clutch quite well and quickly because i do it every day....every day i drive anyway

and in a race situation like that, its better to change brake pads than to break the trans, yes
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