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Old 04-17-2013, 02:01 AM   #1
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Any good tuners? Around slc or Layton.

Had a guy named Richard and didn't do we'll with my car!
He only got my car 210 at 13psi
Asked he why I didn't get much and he said he didn't know waste if my 400 dollars!
Searched and asked around and some people said he could be boost/vacuum leak, restricter pill, boost controller and turbo waste gate.
I replaced all of those and he said he still couldn't do it cause my car wouldn't go more. So I thought it was my ECU and replaced that and still he says he doesn't know! So my questions is any real tuners out there?
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:06 AM   #2
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A mod list would be nice. If there is a problem with your car then NO tuner can tune around it.
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:08 AM   #3
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Probably will get moved to the SLC general question thread FYI. However I would recommend taking your car to say Solid/Innovative/JP's. If something mechanical is plaguing you, you'll want to fix the issue before having it tuned. Then once that's taken care of take a look at Medamullet (Jason), Ziptie or myself for tuning.
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:14 AM   #4
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Probably will get moved to the SLC general question thread FYI. However I would recommend taking your car to say Solid/Innovative/JP's. If something mechanical is plaguing you, you'll want to fix the issue before having it tuned. Then once that's taken care of take a look at Medamullet (Jason), Ziptie or myself for tuning.
Had Rob's speed shop look at it and he said everything is good!

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Old 04-17-2013, 02:16 AM   #5
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Also replaced my BoV with a forge by pass valve
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:34 AM   #6
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Your problem is you have a dick as a turbo. Tuners are not required to fix your car if it is not repaired properly, if he says he cant tune it it is most likely because there is a problem. Also, if your "custom" injectors are stock ones with the bottoms chopped off I would recommend getting something good.

What are the symptoms that your car is doing?
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Old 04-17-2013, 09:20 AM   #7
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Your problem is you have a dick as a turbo. Tuners are not required to fix your car if it is not repaired properly, if he says he cant tune it it is most likely because there is a problem. Also, if your "custom" injectors are stock ones with the bottoms chopped off I would recommend getting something good.

What are the symptoms that your car is doing?
you beat me too it!
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Old 04-17-2013, 10:23 AM   #8
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you beat me too it!
Ralph from underground did them!
And my car runs great! Idles fine never gets hot, boosts up really quickly. And I thought my tuner is suppose to tell you what's wrong with it? That's why there tuners so they can tune the car but also figure out what's wrong with it if there is a problem right???
I asked him and he said he didn't know wtf!!???
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Old 04-17-2013, 10:25 AM   #9
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Dick from ksl I bought a 16g from him lmao!!
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Old 04-17-2013, 10:38 AM   #10
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Not all tuners are mechanics.
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:53 AM   #11
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^^ exactly
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:08 PM   #12
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Based on your comments about symptoms and experience so far, personally, first thing I would do is make sure the boost controller has the vacuum lines routed properly. That is a very common error and easy to mix up. Then i would recommend doing a simple boost leak/smoke test. You can do this yourself fairly easy, or have any shop do it. I would also pop off the front timing covers and make sure the timing belt is timed properly.

I would follow that up with a compression and leakdown test. If there is anything mechanically wrong inside the motor, this will point you exactly where the problem is. ie: piston blowby, head gasket leak, valve leak (burnt or stuck open), etc. It would also be great information to have on the overall health of your motor and piece of mind, and you don't have to disassemble anything to get this information.

Next, check that you are getting the desired/necessary fuel pressure at the intake manifold. If not, work backwards to find if it's in the injectors, fpr, or pump. If fuel pressure is good, check spark. Looks like there should be adequate airflow from your mods. These I would also consider basic checks, you might want to do some of these higher up on the checklist.

Like others noted, tuners can sometimes give you an idea of where the problem is, but they aren't always diagnostics tech's. If they are, you probably just want to leave and fix the issues yourself or at a shop because tuners charge a WHOLE lot more per hour than shops do. I had similar issues at COBB a few years ago, and it wasn't cost effective for me to have them diagnose and fix the problem at $200 an hour. They pointed me in a general direction of what wasn't working. I took that info, worked on the car and brought it back once it was fixed.

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Old 04-17-2013, 01:34 PM   #13
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+1 for a detailed and accurate response
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:23 PM   #14
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nevermind. i cant read

but am i the only one around here that thinks 210 @ 13 psi is normal? or is your problem that its only 13 psi

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Old 04-17-2013, 03:57 PM   #15
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I agree with what has been said above. If we could see the logs from your tune we might be able to see what was going on. I have had cars that wouldn't boost more than 13 psi no matter what I did. I agree with what brody said. I am not a fan of buying unknown turbos. DICKS? What company is that? My sucess rate for ebay type turbos are about 20%. Some dont boost right out of the box. Some have lasted a few months then started having problems. Very few are still around a year later. I would put money on that turbo having issues. With out the actual logs to see what wastegate duty cycles you is running I can't say for sure.

Second note which wouldn't be unrelated to your boost problem. Unless your injectors were actually flow tested together and flow similar rates having stock modified injectors is a bad idea. cutting the caps off and installing can cause all sorts of lean conditions. If your injectors aren't tested together and flowing the same, which is HIGHLY unlikely you can burn your motor up. Even if you are watching your AFR that number is s sum of all 4 injectors NOT on each individual one.

I try my best to help trouble shoot cars while we tune. Considering I sit in a lot of cars I can give you an idea of what I have seen with cars having similar problems. I know Jesse or my time is not free and agree that a mechanic is much cheaper than us trying to figure it out.

ALWAYS the things I recomend when there are problems
Check for vacuum leaks somewhere. pressure test your system. It's easy to make a tester to keep on hand. If that checks out it's got to be boost controler or turbo. Simple test is to plug a MBC and see. That will rule out your controler. Turbo is a bit harder with out actually being able to log your car.

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Old 04-17-2013, 05:42 PM   #16
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Is this Real?

If it is really its up to you to have your car in good mechanical condition when you tune. You are paying for them to tune your car. They most likely have another person they have an appointment with after they are done with you and don't have the time to be fixing your car and then making sure the tune is good. Tuning takes time to get it done right.

Take it to Solid an have them do what PCSkibum and Medamullet told you to do.
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Old 04-17-2013, 05:44 PM   #17
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Great input from these guys, offering great advice and being helpful.

I always found Richard to be less talkative than I had wanted. All 4 times he had my car. 2 road tunes. One road tune was literally 20 minutes and he said my car was good. It was not. Then 2 dyno tunes. I decided to go elsewhere.

I've had great experiences with Solid Autoworks diagnosing injector issues and spark plug issues.
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Thanks very much for the input! I've done a boost/leak test. Timing belt was fixed. I'll have to look at the vaccum lines and make sure everything is done correctly. I paid 300 to look over everything on my car at Rob from Rob's Speed shop it's working great he said to go with a different tuner
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Old 04-17-2013, 09:23 PM   #19
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Thanks very much for the input! I've done a boost/leak test. Timing belt was fixed. I'll have to look at the vaccum lines and make sure everything is done correctly. I paid 300 to look over everything on my car at Rob from Rob's Speed shop it's working great he said to go with a different tuner
I had a like experience , it's the tuner. Went to ZipTie and they did awesome!!
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why not just get a manual boost controler and crank that ****.
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why not just get a manual boost controler and crank that ****.
As we're at it blow my engine!
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:33 PM   #22
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As for the Godspeed TMIC get rid of that thing. The intercooler core is not efficient it's basicly in comparison to a stock WRX topmount has far as cooling effcientcy goes. Pull your intake manifold off and ditch the tumblers inside it's killing your air velocity to the heads it's basicly like choking yourself until you can barely breathe! Also re-route the cooling lines to the throttle body and bypass it! Did you replace the spark plugs, air filter, oil before taking it to get tuned? Last monday I did this on a 2006 Subaru WRX with a invidia cat-back and intake on 15.58 PSI, 11:2:1 AFR it made 228awhp and 262ftlbs torque. Also keep in mind Dyno's read more differently then others. Richard has a DynoPak, Ziptie has a Mustang, Premier has a Dynojet. Everyone mentioned in this thread is Capable of tuning an engine all of us have plenty of experience doing it so don't flame one another some people accel at tuning certain parts then others.
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Old 04-18-2013, 12:35 AM   #23
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As we're at it blow my engine!
well do you want to make more power or not?
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Old 04-18-2013, 01:09 AM   #24
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Yes I wanna make more power. What's a good TMIC? I just wanting around 300 whp and torque.
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Old 04-18-2013, 01:22 AM   #25
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Is the tgv deletes easy and does it need a tune after?
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