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Old 04-16-2013, 08:13 PM   #51
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Yeah, I mean anyone who chops the axles instead of simply popping out the roll pin and undoing the axle nut to remove them, snips wiring instead simply undoing it at the connector, and slashes lines/hoses instead of properly undoing them is so stupid on so many levels. They're not saving themselves any money by taking these "shortcuts", they're just needlessly devaluing their own products.

But unfortunately, that's what you're buying from these suppliers.
I'm guessing you haven't had to strip a car quick. It's faster for them than to **** around with plugs that aren't always going slide out with no resistance.
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Old 04-16-2013, 10:12 PM   #52
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I'm guessing you haven't had to strip a car quick. It's faster for them than to **** around with plugs that aren't always going slide out with no resistance.
So what are you saying? $30 extra of labour isn't worth saving several hundred dollars of harnesses, axles, and hoses?

And I can't possibly imagine it's faster to cut through a big thick axle vs tapping out a roll pin and undoing an axle nut.

And what is the customer going to buy when they're shopping? The $6000 swap that's complete, nice and tidy? Or the $5000 unit that looks like they lifted the motor up until the car let go?
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Old 04-16-2013, 10:39 PM   #53
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So what are you saying? $30 extra of labour isn't worth saving several hundred dollars of harnesses, axles, and hoses?

And I can't possibly imagine it's faster to cut through a big thick axle vs tapping out a roll pin and undoing an axle nut.

And what is the customer going to buy when they're shopping? The $6000 swap that's complete, nice and tidy? Or the $5000 unit that looks like they lifted the motor up until the car let go?
You have no idea how fast a cutter will go through an axle. Barely a minute. Compared to 3-5 minutes minimum to unbolted and remove everything. Then you have to do the other side. It all adds up.
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Old 04-16-2013, 10:55 PM   #54
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You have no idea how fast a cutter will go through an axle. Barely a minute. Compared to 3-5 minutes minimum to unbolted and remove everything. Then you have to do the other side. It all adds up.
So you've saved yourself having to pay some minimum wage monkey for an additional hour or two of work. Now I'm going to go buy your competitors swap because his stuff doesn't look like a hack job. Also, saves me from having to go buy new harnesses, hoses, axles, etc...
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Old 04-17-2013, 12:38 AM   #55
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So you've saved yourself having to pay some minimum wage monkey for an additional hour or two of work. Now I'm going to go buy your competitors swap because his stuff doesn't look like a hack job. Also, saves me from having to go buy new harnesses, hoses, axles, etc...
I can see your viewpoint but it's still not worth the time wasted especially when most people who do a swap don't really care about these things because the wiring will have to be done to work with the rest of the car anyway.
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:52 AM   #56
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The target market for the Japanese when they rip out the engine and transmission like that is not the few swappers in the US. It's for the very large market of countries (in Africa especially) who buy second hand cars from Japan and then need swaps because a component failed. As such, they already have the loom and hoses and really only need the bare engine.
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:53 AM   #57
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usually the stuff cut is stuff you dont really care about anyway, like the dime a dozen axles and ps lines and radiator hoses. the wiring is a different story.

the point i was making is that nico should probably reprice his stuff if he actually wants to sell it, but whatever.
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Old 04-17-2013, 04:15 PM   #58
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There is another reason: they don't just deal with Subarus but with many other makes and models. They don't have the time to check out how to remove or disconnect this or that for each and every vehicle they get their hands on.
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:25 PM   #59
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usually the stuff cut is stuff you dont really care about anyway, like the dime a dozen axles and ps lines and radiator hoses. the wiring is a different story.

the point i was making is that nico should probably reprice his stuff if he actually wants to sell it, but whatever.


For 5g it's worth to anyone who wants a real swap complete inside out side, ever single bolt and nut with tein coilovers.

I'm peel off the shell bare bones the proper way.. Ready to bolt up.

A type r complete is hard to get !.. Air temp sensor diff rear special axles and hubs.. Dccd, dash cluster seats rims.. List don't end.
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Old 04-18-2013, 05:33 AM   #60
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I'd pay $50 an axle. Engine harness is next to worthless when chopped up.

And the fact that they were too lazy to figure any of this stuff out just makes me think they're also the type that just might have ripped this stuff out of a stolen or non-running car or something.
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Old 04-18-2013, 07:58 PM   #61
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I'd pay $50 an axle. Engine harness is next to worthless when chopped up.

And the fact that they were too lazy to figure any of this stuff out just makes me think they're also the type that just might have ripped this stuff out of a stolen or non-running car or something.
Not lazy, but working to make a profit by getting as many of them done as possible. If unplugging and unbolting everything neatly adds an extra hour per car they strip then they do less cars per day, adds up at the end of week which compounds at the end of the month.

Does anyone work in the automotive dismantling industry at all?
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Old 04-19-2013, 03:49 AM   #62
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Gas and blades cost money too . You're still throwing away perfectly good axles and harnesses which would have buyers for them. I'm not saying on ALL cars, but they're worth something on plently of sports cars. At least more than the additional labour to properly remove them.
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Old 04-19-2013, 07:16 AM   #63
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I still disagree. Most folk who do this can have an engine and 'box out of the car in less than an hour. If it took 3-4 hours then an extra 20-30 minutes wouldn't be so bad. But not when the goal is quick turn around it doesn't work that way.
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Old 04-21-2013, 02:57 AM   #64
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The guy that I got my swap from asked how I wanted it cut and did exactly that. Didn't cut one.single wire and definitely not an axle. There still are quality dealers out there, and they cater to clients like me who don't want a hacked up more than it has to be car. I have every removable part in perfectly good working condition. I payed a little more than the average clip is worth, but for a One owner completely stock, 40k mile Ver5 Type-R, ill pay extra! Nobody wants to worry about anymore than they have too, and when doing a complete swap, u already have to deal with enough crap, cut wires and axles are just one more unnecessary thing to deal with.
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