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Old 03-14-2013, 12:00 AM   #1576
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Yes, they will just keep working at it... I got a -10 that I fought...I left the coating on and trimmed it.
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Old 03-14-2013, 03:35 PM   #1577
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Did you trim the braid and coating or just the coating?
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Old 03-22-2013, 06:11 AM   #1578
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Old 04-19-2013, 04:13 PM   #1579
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Has anyone tried Cunifer hard lines?

Also, how much is a surge tank needed on the 2009+ cars with the plastic basket in the tank? It seems like it would do an OK job at lower power levels.
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Old 04-24-2013, 09:47 PM   #1580
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I'm running my stock in tank filter still with the e85 walbro 450lph, It's also still on stock wiring for now till my re tune with Jr. Removed the plastic surge tank. If you look in the bottom of the tank it has a surge area.
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:17 PM   #1581
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Need some help here guys. Bought an fittings and this -6 black 'TPU', coated PTFE stainless hose from siliconeintakesdotcome. Here's the hose - http://www.siliconeintakes.com/produ...b8196802e0deaa

No matter how hard you try, the an fittings will not connect if any of the TPU coating gets between the fittings. This coating is almost impossible to remove from the stainless steel braid and I'm being told the ss braid needs to be compressed by the connector. My hands are shredded, how in the he## do I get this stuff off but leave the ss braid intact...alnng with my hands?
Did you get an fittings for that specific ptfe hose?
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:23 PM   #1582
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Bought this car and seems to be missing or have a relocated fuel filter? Fuel pressure regulator installed in line? Picture provided.

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Old 04-29-2013, 09:43 PM   #1583
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Need some help here guys. Bought an fittings and this -6 black 'TPU', coated PTFE stainless hose from siliconeintakesdotcome. Here's the hose - http://www.siliconeintakes.com/produ...b8196802e0deaa

No matter how hard you try, the an fittings will not connect if any of the TPU coating gets between the fittings. This coating is almost impossible to remove from the stainless steel braid and I'm being told the ss braid needs to be compressed by the connector. My hands are shredded, how in the he## do I get this stuff off but leave the ss braid intact...alnng with my hands?
Wear leather gloves, all you have to do is get a smallish flathead in between the ss braiding and the ptfe hose to seperate them. I use tinsnips to trim the ss braiding and a pair of scissors to trim the hose. A razor gets that coating off, or a torch if you're in a hurry.
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:05 AM   #1584
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figured this might held some of you guys out, anywho enjoy I worked my but off on these bad boys!


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Old 05-21-2013, 08:52 PM   #1585
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figured this might held some of you guys out, anywho enjoy I worked my but off on these bad boys!

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...7#post39844637
Those look dandy, too late for those now. But what details do you have on a 2-3 liter surge tank compatible with e85? AN fittings of course.
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Old 07-15-2013, 11:09 AM   #1586
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Has anyone on here ever tried this stuff?

http://www.techafx.com/catalog/49

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BlackWrap Braided SS PTFE Hose (conductive core)Introducing NEW TechAFX BlackWrap. BlackWrap takes our durable, proven, PTFE conductive core Fuel Hose & dresses it up with a tough nylon outer layer. This outer layer increases the durability of the product, reduces noise, & looks KILLER! .................................................. ................ . ................................... Blackwrap features a tough, black nylon outer layer that increases the durability of the product, reduces noise, & looks KILLER! The nylon wrap covers a stainless steel braid and our class-leading smooth-bore, conductive core PTFE for excellent performance in demanding situations. .... ........................ ................ Conductive Core - There is a simple way to tell if you have 'conductive core' PTFE hose that has been specifically developed for use with fuel, is it 'black' on the inside? When fuel passes through PTFE hose, it generates a mild static charge. For this reason, a coating of carbon is added to the inside diameter of PTFE hose so when the fittings are attached to each end of the hose and the hose assembly installed on the vehicle, this static charge can harmlessly transfer to the common ground of the vehicle. This static charge will buildup in non-conductive PTFE hose--which is a dangerous situation. All TechAFX PTFE hose is conductive core. ............. Sizing - TechAFX BlackWrap is available in -6, -8 and -10 sizes and works with TechAFX AN fittings. . ................ . Chemical Resistance - The Chemical Resistant PTFE core is impervious to practically all commercial chemicals, acids, alcohols, coolants, elastomers, hydrocarbons, solvents, synthetic compounds and hydraulic fluids. ... Temperature - BlackWrap's PTFE core is highly temperature resistant. It can handle fluids used in cryogenics up to steam. The recommended temperature range for usages is from -65 F to 450 F. .................................... ................ High Flow Rates & Low Friction - Due to the anti-stick properties of the PTFE, you will not experience pressure drops from accumulate deposits on the inner core. .................................................. ........................... Flexible & Lightweight - TechAFX BlackWrap is easier to move, handle and install than rubber hose with a comparable burst pressure rating. BlackWrap can withstand continuous flexing and vibration without failure from flex fatigue........................................... .............. .................................................. ...... Moisture Resistant - TechAFX BlackWrap will no absorb moisture. So it is ideal as a pigtail in bulk gas handling and pneumatic systems where a low dew point is critical. ................................................ ....................... Chemically Inert - BlackWrap will not break down or deteriorate in service. .............................. ............... Non-Aging - BlackWrap is impervious to weather and can be stored for extended periods of time without aging. It will not age during service. ............................... ............................ ............................... ........ Shock Resistant - BlackWrap is not affected by continuous flexing,vibration or impulse pressures - it can withstand alternating hot and cold cycling. .... .................................. ....................... .............................. Background on PTFE - Polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE) is an engineered fluoropolymer commonly known by DuPont's trade name "Teflon". Outstanding resistance to chemicals is one of it's primary attributes. A broad temperature range of -100F to 500F (-73C to 260C) make this hose core material suitable for the majority of fluid and ambient temperature conditions found in industry. An extremely low coefficient of friction, (0.05 to 0.20), provides a non-stick surface.Water absorption of PTFE is negligible, less than 0.01% by ASTM test. And, it is FDA-approved for food and pharmaceutical use. Smooth Bore PTFE hose is vertically extruded to maintain highest quality concentricity. BlackWrap is manufactured from DuPont's type 62 fine grade resin, encasing braided 304 stainless steel wire. An exact amount of carbon black added to the PTFE inner core provides continuous conductive path to the metal end fittings, to bleed off static electricity in steam or high flow rate applications. ....................... Specs: For continuous service: -65F to 450F (-54C to 232C) For intermittent service: -100F to 500F (-73C to 260C) Meets or exceeds requirements of SAE100R14. PTFE meets FDA 21 CCFR 177.1550 Sizes -4 thru -10 are rated for full vacuum.
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Old 07-15-2013, 01:17 PM   #1587
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I tried PTFE for fuel in the past... Not this ^ stuff but some other PTFE. Stuff was TERRIBLE to work with, very ridged, and fittings were a bastard to get on. Great idea, considering PTFE is resistant to everything, its just very ridged.

Ask ^ these guys about max bend CLR at differnet common sizes (-6, -8, -10), then compare to Fragola, or similar alky fuel compliant nylon braid hose. Im betting the non-PTFE hose CLR is much tighter.
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Old 07-15-2013, 01:49 PM   #1588
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I tried PTFE for fuel in the past... Not this ^ stuff but some other PTFE. Stuff was TERRIBLE to work with, very ridged, and fittings were a bastard to get on. Great idea, considering PTFE is resistant to everything, its just very ridged.

Ask ^ these guys about max bend CLR at differnet common sizes (-6, -8, -10), then compare to Fragola, or similar alky fuel compliant nylon braid hose. Im betting the non-PTFE hose CLR is much tighter.
It has a 5 inch bend radius for -8 if that's what you mean.

Also, is the fragola hose e85 safe? I looked at their ptfe hose but not the nylon.
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Old 07-15-2013, 02:16 PM   #1589
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Yup. Im using this now and I love this stuff http://fragolaperformancesystems.com...lon-race-hose/. Super flexy, easy to assemble fittings, great abrassive resistance, and nylon cover doesnt tear **** up. Alky safe as per Summit and Fragola.: "Fragola's premium black nylon race hose is designed with a black synthetic rubber core to make it resistant to oil, fuels, coolants, and alcohol."


Can you get a sample of that PTFE before you buy? Maybe do a comp vs the Fragola or similar non-PTFE? Two biggest factors for me are max CLR and ease of fitting assembly. Not sure I trust manufacturer advertised bend radius, I just dont see how PTFE, can get close to the flexability of synthetic rubber stuff....

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Old 07-15-2013, 03:39 PM   #1590
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I am using this Russel Performance hose to go from the main line coming into the engine compartment to an adapter fitting. From there I am using the SS braid covered hose and fittings from JEGS. I think I used -8 for everything and the Boomba rails and block.
I think details are on my journal thread.
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Old 07-15-2013, 04:05 PM   #1591
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I'm using frozenboost -6an coated lines and fittings for hoses, aeromotive y block/rails/regulator/fuel filter and aeromotive radius orb fittings. Nothing leaks, pressure tested hoses to 250 psi for five hours.
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Old 07-15-2013, 04:20 PM   #1592
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Thanks for all your setups guys! Im getting close and its all these details.

New Radium Fuel Surge Tank


I believe I will be the first person with one of these. Its for external pumps. It has a -10 outlet and -8 inlet and returns.

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Old 07-15-2013, 11:02 PM   #1593
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-10an outlet? That's big... Giggity. I know some people that have the radium with in tank pumps, they're put together well and they look nice, compact.
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Old 07-16-2013, 06:49 AM   #1594
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-10an outlet? That's big... Giggity. I know some people that have the radium with in tank pumps, they're put together well and they look nice, compact.
Yes. My fuelab pump requires a -10 inlet so I asked if they could put one on their big surge tank. Its 2 liters.

They said sure, and then said they were in the process of releasing what I just asked about but it was still in production if I wanted to wait a couple weeks. I said ok.

I got an email yesterday that said it should ship next week.
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Old 07-16-2013, 07:21 AM   #1595
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Damn you beat me to it!!! I am planning on the radium multi intank setup as well. I already have two Fuel Pro FPC's to operate the two pumps. I'm in the air in what pumps to go with. I think two Walbro 255's will suffice. They are tried and true. We shall see.

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Damn you beat me to it!!! I am planning on the radium multi intank setup as well. I already have two Fuel Pro FPC's to operate the two pumps. I'm in the air in what pumps to go with. I think two Walbro 255's will suffice. They are tried and true. We shall see.
Sweet! The in tank multi setup is real nice. If for some reason this external fuelab pump don't work out, it shouldn't be that hard to go multi.

A local guy has the multi surge tank, (baseballdbk1) I hope I get to see it this weekend at the pittsburgh vintage gran prix.

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Old 07-16-2013, 11:31 AM   #1597
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They're super slick when they're all installed, the dudes I've seen with them mount them on rubber so they're quieter. You going to bend and flare a -10an hardline through the car?
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They're super slick when they're all installed, the dudes I've seen with them mount them on rubber so they're quieter. You going to bend and flare a -10an hardline through the car?
No, not unless its a last resort. The feed on the pump is -10 requirement but its ok to reduce outlet to -8. So I got a -10/-8 reducer and want to run -8 feed and return. Some sort of -8 line that will hold up to E85 and not have fuel smell either.

I am also running flex fuel sensor and want to use barb fittings that are -8 to feed the surge, with the sensor on the return to the gas tank.


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Sweet! The in tank multi setup is real nice. If for some reason this external fuelab pump don't work out, it shouldn't be that hard to go multi.

A local guy has the multi surge tank, (baseball something) I hope I get to see it this weekend at the pittsburgh vintage gran prix.
He has the setup with external Bosch's. he has a build thread here somewhere. I'm putting in ID2000's and have a Walbro400 E85 right now. We will see how that does before going full blown. I'm not looking forward to doing a ton of wiring.

I also have aero motive rails an fuel lines in the engine bay. I was planning on using the stock hard lines from the trunk to the engine bay. Going to get Russell EFI fittings to connect to the stock fuel pump and hard lines.
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He has the setup with external Bosch's. he has a build thread here somewhere. I'm putting in ID2000's and have a Walbro400 E85 right now. We will see how that does before going full blown. I'm not looking forward to doing a ton of wiring.

I also have aero motive rails an fuel lines in the engine bay. I was planning on using the stock hard lines from the trunk to the engine bay. Going to get Russell EFI fittings to connect to the stock fuel pump and hard lines.
Yes, Dave i think. baseballdbk1

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2390257

When i started my build, i was always seeing people say they ran out of fuel. So i started my fuel system first

Your setup sounds pretty nice.

For mine I have a Fuelab prodigy pump, Fuelab FPR, 40 and 10 Micron Fuelab Fuel filters, and Aeromotive fuel rails. i got a CX racing surge tank i was going to use, but they polished the fitting and screwed up the flare. I was going to get it anodized but when i saw the Nuke Performance surge tank I contacted them. Its a nice looking unit, but it was almost impossible to get. The US supplier for them said they were hard to get a hold of to order it.

I contacted Nuke Performance directly and tried to set up payment with Paypal and Visa, and Mastercard. Because of their location, no payment was ever processed. It was pretty dissapointing. I tried and tried to no avail, so i gave up and called Radium.

All i can say is Radium really came through. I will post up some pics when it comes in.
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