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Old 04-16-2013, 02:33 PM   #1
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Default Front Roll Center Kit : Whiteline or SuperPro?

I heard bad things about the whiteline roll center kit: ball joints popping out, rubber melting etc etc. Then again I heard they supposedly updated this problem?

Here are the whiteline ball joints and tie rods..



Then I found these SuperPro (which is supposed to be a reputable polyurethrane manufacturer based out of Australia).

Anyone try these or recommend this manufacturer over the whiteline ones?



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Old 04-16-2013, 03:47 PM   #2
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Both are great companies. you'll have to troll aussie forums for superpro info though. They are not as popular here stateside/NA.

Whiteline has updated their design and fixed many issues a LONG time ago. i dont know it why keeps coming up.

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Old 04-16-2013, 03:51 PM   #3
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Thanks. Looks like I'll just go with the lesser expensive one of the two.
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:42 PM   #4
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Thanks. Looks like I'll just go with the lesser expensive one of the two.
Keep in mind that support and replacement parts for Whiteline here in the US is very good. I'm sure Canada too.
I'm not too sure on SuperPro due to their lack of marketshare here.

Folks shouldn't always look at price as the first factor in deciding...
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:52 PM   #5
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When I talked to Geoff at cygnus about ordering rack bushings he said whiteline has moved manufacturing to china. Since, he has noticed an increased return rate for product failure. I went super pro for that reason.
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Old 04-16-2013, 06:28 PM   #6
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When I talked to Geoff at cygnus about ordering rack bushings he said whiteline has moved manufacturing to china. Since, he has noticed an increased return rate for product failure. I went super pro for that reason.
I can neither confirm nor deny that statement, but without hearing it from the source. Rumor is just that, Rumor.

The last rumor I heard about SuperPro was that they used the same factory as Whiteline. Which is why I have their steering rack bushings in my car.

So now what?
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Old 04-16-2013, 06:54 PM   #7
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When I talked to Geoff at cygnus about ordering rack bushings he said whiteline has moved manufacturing to china. Since, he has noticed an increased return rate for product failure. I went super pro for that reason.
It's not china, and that's all I'll say about it.

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Old 04-16-2013, 07:10 PM   #8
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Taiwan actaully....
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Old 04-16-2013, 07:52 PM   #9
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When I talked to Geoff at cygnus about ordering rack bushings he said whiteline has moved manufacturing to china. Since, he has noticed an increased return rate for product failure. I went super pro for that reason.
I, too, ordered from Geoff and he told me the same thing. I have installed the Superpro kit and it was made extremely well with very strong boots on the both the BJ and TRE. It seems to work very well although I have no experience with the Whiteline RCA kit. I do have a bunch of other Whiteline stuff-LCA bushings, rear differential bushings, rack and pinion bushing kit-and have no complaints with them.
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Old 04-16-2013, 08:00 PM   #10
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Whitline manufactures in a few different places. I have seen stuff from Australia, China, and Korea.

And there are definitely some superpro parts that look very similar to whiteline although I can't say for sure if they are the same except for color.
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The more we see these extended ball joints (not talking about the whiteline ones as they are a minor extension, but more the 1" extension it) the more we try to stay away. We have seen too many failures of knuckles and joints to warrant running them. They put too much side loading onto a small joint on the knuckle that was not designed to see those forces. There is one correct way to do this which involves new knuckles and control arms.

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Old 04-17-2013, 03:47 PM   #12
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Old 04-18-2013, 08:49 PM   #13
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It's not china, and that's all I'll say about it.

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If you look at the statements of origin it's China, Korea, Taiwan and Australia. The vast majority of the parts I sell seem to be Korea now a days. The guy you're replying to is talking about steering rack bushings, so here is info on a few of those:

KSR202 = Korea
KSR206 = China
KSR207 = Korea

If this is incorrect then feel free to set the record straight, but this info is coming directly from the statements of origin. These only tell us where the parts came into the United States from, but unless Nolathane is building it in Australia, then shipping it to China, then having someone in China ship it to the US I think it's pretty clear that some of the steering rack bushings are indeed made in China.

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Old 04-18-2013, 09:28 PM   #14
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Whats the relationship of Nolathane to Whiteline? They have very similar websites, are they the same company? They have some interesting relief holes in their bushings for flex...
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:38 PM   #15
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Whats the relationship of Nolathane to Whiteline? They have very similar websites, are they the same company? They have some interesting relief holes in their bushings for flex...
Same company... RedRanger owns both Nolathane and Whiteline. Fulcrum and SuperPro are also the same company since this thread is talking about them as well.

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Old 04-19-2013, 03:46 AM   #16
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Have you guys seen these yet? Superpro are making brand new alloy arms that come complete with one of Superpro's anti lift kits, the Superpro bushings, swaybar endlinks, ball joint inserts and everything you need to get these bolted up. As well as the the antilift kit, there's a couple of geometry changes to dial in some extra castor as well. These can also be fitted to the GC WRX's as well with a front bush change for those looking to increase the track width.



Tuspeed is selling them downunder http://www.tuspeed.com/super-pro-wrx...ms-p-2245.html I expect you guys will pay much less though in the USA (supply & demand).
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Old 04-19-2013, 03:56 AM   #17
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Have you guys seen these yet? Superpro are making brand new alloy arms that come complete with one of Superpro's anti lift kits, the Superpro bushings, swaybar endlinks, ball joint inserts and everything you need to get these bolted up. As well as the the antilift kit, there's a couple of geometry changes to dial in some extra castor as well. These can also be fitted to the GC WRX's as well with a front bush change for those looking to increase the track width.

Tuspeed is selling them downunder http://www.tuspeed.com/super-pro-wrx...ms-p-2245.html I expect you guys will pay much less though in the USA (supply & demand).
Looks like a polished aluminum factory arm to me?
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I expect you guys will pay much less though in the USA (supply & demand).

Well I know who has the only 3 sets in North America

http://cygnusperformance.com/cart.ph...ategory_id=185

That is the minimum allowable advertised price with free shipping, but we are always willing to work with people on price. Extremely nice stuff in real life, the pics really don't do it justice. This is one of the best suspension mods you can make to the 02-07 WRX/STi and since everything is pre-pressed, ready to go you don't have to bother with a press like you do with other options.

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Old 04-19-2013, 09:35 AM   #19
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They don't look like caster adding arms, but impossible to tell from that angle of your pic. Glad someone is doing this. Definitley an exact replica of Subaru's piece though.
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Those are not caster adding

Just look at, all you gotta do is look at it and you will see you just gotta take a good look. see it yet, just look at it! lol jk
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:09 PM   #21
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They don't look like caster adding arms, but impossible to tell from that angle of your pic. Glad someone is doing this. Definitley an exact replica of Subaru's piece though.
Since Subaru didn't use the same LCAs on all models and years it will depend on what you drive. If you have an 07 STi or an 02-07 WRX the arms themselves are lighter and caster adding. Either way the rear mount bushings add caster and all of the bushings add stiffness and improve steering feel. You also get some very nice upgraded endlinks.



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Old 04-22-2013, 02:04 PM   #22
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Hi Geoff. What I meant to say was that on the 04-06 STi LCAs you can visibly tell that piece of the arm holding the forward bushing bends away from the LCA which is what gives extra caster as opposed to the 07 STi arms where this part is straight in line.
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Old 04-22-2013, 02:29 PM   #23
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Hi Geoff. What I meant to say was that on the 04-06 STi LCAs you can visibly tell that piece of the arm holding the forward bushing bends away from the LCA which is what gives extra caster as opposed to the 07 STi arms where this part is straight in line.
These are based on a copy of the 04-06 STi LCA.

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Old 04-24-2013, 11:17 PM   #24
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Ive bought a lot of whiteline parts and a lot of super pro parts for my subarus over the years. Given the choice i would definitely always go super pro over whiteline. Some whitelines parts have been good but a lot have been less than perfect. You can tell most of these parts are made on the cheap in korea and china. Super pro parts on the other hand have all been quality. Really nice looking stuff that i was glad i bought. Usually it cost a little extra but was well worth it. With this rca kit it actually costs less so im not sure why anyone wouldnt choose super pro for this. Also want to point out that i bought mist of both brands from cygnus and they have been great to work with. Top notch product knowledge and always willing to beat any price. They have never steered me wrong.
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:48 PM   #25
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After experiencing serious failure of a set of Whiteline front LCA bushings (front and rear) in ~15,000 miles, I swapped them out for Super Pro.

I had the Whiteline caster adjusting, non-ALK rear bushings and the standard front bushings. The front bushings outer "collar" collapsed and allowed the CA to move fore and aft under braking or acceleration. The rear bushing center holes wallowed out to the point that when I removed them, the eccentric crush tube just fell out of the CA. They were greased every tire rotation (5k) with a urethane friendly synthetic grease using a needle adapter for my grease gun.

The Super Pro front bushings have a metal sleeve cast into the urethane that allows the CA sleeve to press against metal instead of urethane. The rear bushings (I went with the full ALK set) have nicely chamfered edges on the outer shell that makes positioning and pressing them much smoother. The crush pins have nicely chamfered iner and outer edges. Finally, all the bushing faces are machined smooth and flat instead of relying on a casting mold.

It may have cost a few $$ more than what it replaced but with the amount of miles I drive, I'll happily pay the difference for what, so far, appears to be a better quality part.

Yes, Geoff at Cygnus had a little convincing to do but I'm glad I listened to him. Now, I'm budgeting to replace the rest of my WL bushes if/when they start to fail...
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