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Old 04-20-2013, 01:08 PM   #1151
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Why are the '11 units not compatible? From the first post it says the '11 legacy remotes are compatible with the '11 sti, what am I missing?
Did you check the link to my DIY, I laid it out for you there what needs to be done.

I didn't go into details since most people just want to know what works, they don't care how the sausage is made. Since you insist on the technical details...don't say I didn't warn you...the reason you can't put an '11 keyless box in your 08 STI is Subaru changed the modules and wiring on the 11-up cars. The keyless remotes used to be 433MHz and the TPMS system was a seperate system that happened to run on 315MHz. Plugging a 10 or 05-09 Legacy keyless box into the same plug is a trivial affair, not becuase the 433MHz frequecy is the same, but the form factor is the same, the box is the same size, with the same plug, same pinouts. It simply talks to different remotes and tells the BIU when you lock and unlock doors.

In 2011 Subaru presumably decided to save a few bucks and change the remotes to 315MHz system, same as TPMS sensors, and combine those boxes into a new TPMS/Keyless box that talks to both the pressure sensors and the keyless remotes through the same 315Mhz antenna and reciever. The keyless box is not the same size, doesn't have the same plug, located in a different place in the car etc. You can't plug a 2011 TPMS/Keyless box into the spot where a 10-earlier Keyless box goes.

Stick to my DIY and you will be fine. If you want to have the most cheaply available remotes I recommend the 05-09 Legacy option. I could source the right used parts for you, though that might cost similar to if you just buy new stuff. I bet you are glad you asked ;-)
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Old 04-20-2013, 08:49 PM   #1152
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XLUBEN, Can you please send me an email/pm? I am interested in this; however, I cannot email you due to my lack of legit posts.
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Old 04-20-2013, 10:41 PM   #1153
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Did you check the link to my DIY, I laid it out for you there what needs to be done.

I didn't go into details since most people just want to know what works, they don't care how the sausage is made. Since you insist on the technical details...don't say I didn't warn you...the reason you can't put an '11 keyless box in your 08 STI is Subaru changed the modules and wiring on the 11-up cars. The keyless remotes used to be 433MHz and the TPMS system was a seperate system that happened to run on 315MHz. Plugging a 10 or 05-09 Legacy keyless box into the same plug is a trivial affair, not becuase the 433MHz frequecy is the same, but the form factor is the same, the box is the same size, with the same plug, same pinouts. It simply talks to different remotes and tells the BIU when you lock and unlock doors.

In 2011 Subaru presumably decided to save a few bucks and change the remotes to 315MHz system, same as TPMS sensors, and combine those boxes into a new TPMS/Keyless box that talks to both the pressure sensors and the keyless remotes through the same 315Mhz antenna and reciever. The keyless box is not the same size, doesn't have the same plug, located in a different place in the car etc. You can't plug a 2011 TPMS/Keyless box into the spot where a 10-earlier Keyless box goes.

Stick to my DIY and you will be fine. If you want to have the most cheaply available remotes I recommend the 05-09 Legacy option. I could source the right used parts for you, though that might cost similar to if you just buy new stuff. I bet you are glad you asked ;-)
I am actually, and thanks for the detail. I was under the impression than, like the '09 legacy box, the '11 would just swap in no problem

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Old 04-21-2013, 06:55 AM   #1154
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I am actually, and thanks for the detail. I was under the impression than, like the '09 legacy box, the '11 would just swap in no problem
I'm glad you actually took the time to read that extremely detailed and helpful post and then edited your response. It is a shame that it takes that much for someone to believe people who are just trying to help.
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Old 04-21-2013, 11:26 AM   #1155
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Interested! I'll be sending an email.
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Old 04-21-2013, 08:09 PM   #1156
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Got it and replied!
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:15 AM   #1157
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Valet key in the mail! Thanks Ben
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:25 AM   #1158
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I just wanted to give an update in this thread in case anyone is looking, or in case anyone is finding this via google (Since I had a hell of time).

There are a few differences in the keys that aren't apparent either online, or via the FCC id.

The 2011 keys are laser cut, and have a screw on the backside. To get a key compatible with earlier cars (a 2002 in my case) you need to find a key that is a standard blade. The upshot is the key blank is compatible, so I had both the switchkey cut and the extra key cut so I can switch back and for from a switchkey to a AIO key if I want. The case will also NOT have a screw, and be opened via a pry point by the key ring. The internal module will also have a black back, whereas the 2011's will have a clear back.

It took me 3 tries to find someone on ebay that sold one that matched the picture, or worked. I ended up getting a 2009 legacy uncut key for $38 from the user 'extra-partss'.
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Old 04-22-2013, 12:43 PM   #1159
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I'm glad you actually took the time to read that extremely detailed and helpful post and then edited your response. It is a shame that it takes that much for someone to believe people who are just trying to help.
haha, the initial response i made was based on a previous post by someone else. i was on my phone and didnt notice the new page with your response.

i was confused because i had emailed you about this a few months back and you indicated that i could get the flip key as long as i got the corresponding box. i havent been able to find anyone who will cut/program the key cheap around here so i had tabled the idea, but a few keys showed on iwsti the other day which rekindled my interest in this
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:17 PM   #1160
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quoted by the dealer 69 to cut and match the key to my car *thumbs up* i didn't want to chop up my valet
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Old 04-23-2013, 12:30 PM   #1161
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This looks like a great mod. Ill be pm'ing soon to get the ball rolling. I love the look and convenience of this key. thanks for posting.
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:04 PM   #1162
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If anyone could help me out on the programming of the legacy fob it would be much appreciated! I've tried programming it countless times now and getting frustrated. I have a 2012 wrx and got a key for a 2011 legacy from the dealership. I've made the flip key already, car starts and everything but keyless entry does not. I have tried enough times to un program the factory fobs so I've done the exact same process to reprogram them and they work again. I really don't want to have to drive an hour and a half to a dealer again to have them try and program the key. Any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong?
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:15 PM   #1163
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Thanks Ben for getting me all the parts I need to do this, I couldn't get the key cut, so I had to modify with dremel, like you did, unfortunately I took alittle to much off, so I jbweld the end and started over, now it fits perfect! I programed the fob in about 10 mins, after swearing a few times, and opening and closing doors I got it pretty easy, if I had to do it again it wouldn't take me long at all. The only issue I have is the subaru logo seams to want to fall off, the adhesive don't seam very good, anyone else have this issue? Thanks again Ben!!
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:18 PM   #1164
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The only issue I have is the subaru logo seams to want to fall off, the adhesive don't seam very good, anyone else have this issue? Thanks again Ben!!
Use the 3m double sided mounting tape (dark grey colored with red peel-off strip), trim to the subaru badge's size, and stick it back on. If you think it's too thick, do the same thing, but stretch it a little to thin it out prior to sticking it on the badge.
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Old 04-23-2013, 08:53 PM   #1165
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I just wanted to give an update in this thread in case anyone is looking, or in case anyone is finding this via google (Since I had a hell of time). There are a few differences in the keys that aren't apparent either online, or via the FCC id.

The case will also NOT have a screw, and be opened via a pry point by the key ring. The internal module will also have a black back, whereas the 2011's will have a clear back.
The proper key for your car is a 2009 Legacy key, it would have an FCC ID CWTWBU766, Subaru part number 57497AG48A. Anything is possible, but no OEM Subaru key I have seen has only a snap closure and no screw. I have handled lots of the OEM keys in fact I am holding a 09 Legacy key right now it has a screw in the back. If you have a snap closure you likely have a key where the EBay seller replaced the shell with a new Chinese made one with a new uncut blade. Subaru does not sell just the shell. This is very common. The replacement shells I used to buy used a screw like the stock one, but there are a bunch of mfrs making them all slightly different. I hope the snap only type is as sturdy if you do end up using it.

The tip for the black back is good, the 10 and 11-up units have a white backing. Of course you have to take the key apart to see it.

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It took me 3 tries to find someone on ebay that sold one that matched the picture, or worked. I ended up getting a 2009 legacy uncut key for $38 from the user 'extra-partss'.
Your experience is typical, lots of sellers have no clue, they'll sell the wrong remote units, swap around key shells with the wrong blades etc. Luckily you were able to return your keys and get the right one.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:01 PM   #1166
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My logo has been on for a long time now and has had no issues. I do know that if you've stuck it on and peeled it off it will be pretty much useless without new adhesive.

For anyone having issues sourcing the Legacy keys, please contact me. I supply only brand new OEM keys. If you want to try and save a few bucks and risk getting the wrong thing, then go ahead and try eBay. I've long since given up on that route though.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:02 PM   #1167
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It took me 3 tries to find someone on ebay that sold one that matched the picture, or worked. I ended up getting a 2009 legacy uncut key for $38 from the user 'extra-partss'.
Same here, I had one when I got first ordered the housing from xluben a few months back. I ended up having the wrong one.
So after sending two keys back from eBay, I ordered one from extra-partss, buuut it got lost in the mail. Another month when by, then I got my refund.
So, I'm just going to the dealer this time.
Two and a half months in the making I guess.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:05 PM   #1168
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Anything is possible, but no OEM Subaru key I have seen has only a snap closure and no screw.
The key for my 2012 Impreza has no screw.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:05 PM   #1169
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If you don't want the hassle you can get it all from me!
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:20 PM   #1170
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If you don't want the hassle you can get it all from me!
I should have in the first place, I honestly don't know why I didn't.
I may take you up on that offer, I'm going to check with Subaru first though. Nothing personal but I have a few other parts coming in from them. It would just be easier to do it all in one.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:24 PM   #1171
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Totally understandable. The whole point of my even offering them is to make it easy for people. One stop shop sort of thing.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:48 PM   #1172
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The key for my 2012 Impreza has no screw.
Thanks for the info. Looks like Subaru has changed to a different style of case. The previous year Legacy keys def had screws.
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Old 04-25-2013, 12:04 AM   #1173
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Yep, I got one of those when I was still screwing around with eBay.

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Old 04-25-2013, 08:56 AM   #1174
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If you don't want the hassle you can get it all from me!
That's why I'm doing it!

I figured by the time I source the parts, get the wrong parts, deal w/ return shipping, headaches from sellers.. Just pay for it all up front, done!
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Old 04-25-2013, 10:50 AM   #1175
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Where and how much does it cost to get a new laser key cut? Besides obvious dealer reccommendation. Lowe's doesnt do it around here
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