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Old 04-09-2013, 06:39 PM   #101
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Would like to quote this so everyone can read it, because I'm sure everyone skipped over it.
Everyone else who runs at the track has to deal with these conditions when drag racing so you can use heat soak as a way to make his car look faster than anyother car with his same set up.. Seriously there is not one car with same mods coming even remotely close to what OP has and his runs don't justify his numbers either. So clearly the is some bs going on here.
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:44 PM   #102
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You guys seriously get caught up in numbers, that's why we have this stupid format in this forum.

What matters if he ran this or that. There is the time slip, there are the mods, put the two together and there you have it.
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Old 04-09-2013, 11:41 PM   #103
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112mph and 340awhp in a 3200# car? Seems a tad low for a blanket statement to me.
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Old 04-10-2013, 12:19 AM   #104
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I love the people in here speaking about ET's like those mean anything. The car could have went 15.0 @ 145 mph and you'd be talking smack about it. The ET shows drive ability. Take that out of the equation because that has nothing to do with dyno numbers.


Now look at the trap. The trap speed at 112 seems to be indicative of around 340whp. The wtq is going to be high because of the nature of the turbo spiking high in boost which it's able to do because of the fact it was tuned on 100 octane. I'm sure the car isn't holding that tq # so I don't think it's worth calling such BS about that.

And lastly, the car has a TMIC on it. If the car was tuned in 25 degree weather and cooled properly, vs running at the track when it's 60 degrees, it's going to be making less power. The car very well could have made the numbers he posted but been heat soaked and down in power on that run. He was probably sitting in the staging lanes for 30 mins with the car running and the top mount sitting there got HOT. And the car made less whp on THAT run. I work at a performance shop and we tune LOTS of cars. And I see what they make and what they run at the track. There are lots of reasons that something like that can happen. To call BS on his dyno #'s is redic. His car was dyno'd on a DYNOJET. You can't inflate the numbers. AND IF HE WAS INFLATING THE DYNO NUMBERS, HE WOULDN'T HAS POSTED UP HIS CAR TRAPPING 112MPH !!!
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Old 04-10-2013, 01:30 AM   #105
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Hopefully next time conditions are perfect for him to turn that 11.8. Lol I'll be waiting to see this happen.. Good luck!
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Old 04-13-2013, 12:00 PM   #106
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explain how my numbers are inflated.
because 100's of others have stock turbos with e85 and more upgrades and produce no where near that hp or tq and are running much faster than you in a 1/4. do an air boy with correct numbers punched in and i bet your 320-330hp and 360-380tq.
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Old 04-13-2013, 12:43 PM   #107
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My buddy has the same car never dyno but turbo back exhaust cai and ap stage 2 and but down a 13.32 so I don't see the times adding up at all
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Old 04-20-2013, 01:36 PM   #108
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What makes sense to you his hp/tq numbers or a 12.3 1320 with 388whp & 456wtq? Sorry but none of those number match up.

silver11wrx not trying to be a dick or know it all but something isn't matching number with your numbers. I mean 456wtq, you have more torque then HP and in most Subby's it's the opposite. And I don't mean a little more torque you have a boat load more.

Also I understand you aren't a pro driver but 12.3 is what I expect your car with those mods to run but a car with the HP/TQ numbers you are claiming should be running mid to low 11's all day.

I guess what I and everyone else is saying is the dyno you had your car on is reading extremely high. I suggest taking it to another shop and run it there and compare the numbers.
2.5 liter wrx's are torque monsters. Almost all have more tq than hp. My 08 wrx with VF-52 on ca 91 is making 287 whp and 305 wtq on mustang dyno
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Old 04-20-2013, 02:08 PM   #109
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2.5 liter wrx's are torque monsters. Almost all have more tq than hp. My 08 wrx with VF-52 on ca 91 is making 287 whp and 305 wtq on mustang dyno
True (ignoring the monster part), but his point was that the performance doesn't match the dyno.
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Old 04-21-2013, 02:19 AM   #110
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Old 04-21-2013, 04:00 AM   #111
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True (ignoring the monster part), but his point was that the performance doesn't match the dyno.
Haha I do tend to exaggerate at times, but I know he was referring to all of the numbers and times not making since.

I just wanted to clarify the 08+ wrx's seem to commonly have more tq than hp
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:58 PM   #112
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Post the Dyno graphs already! 6 pages and NO Dyno graphs?
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:01 PM   #113
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Haha I do tend to exaggerate at times, but I know he was referring to all of the numbers and times not making since.

I just wanted to clarify the 08+ wrx's seem to commonly have more tq than hp
Thats only on the stock turbo when boosting it to high hell. And its just a huge spike; most drop down to below 220 by redline (hardly a "monster").

If you look at turbo swapped cars, the torque curved is moved to the right and tends to be flatter and also not as high as HP unless running loads of boost.
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:49 PM   #114
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Your right that is with stock turbo, but then again i figured with the newer years most people haven't upgraded their turbo yet especially since these wrx's run higher compression which is a little iffy putting too much stress on. Not everyone has pockets deep as xluben

Looks like my torque was dropping and whp was passing at about 6k rpm.

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Your right that is with stock turbo, but then again i figured with the newer years most people haven't upgraded their turbo yet especially since these wrx's run higher compression which is a little iffy putting too much stress on. Not everyone has pockets deep as xluben

Looks like my torque was dropping and whp was passing at about 6k rpm.

Yeah, I hear what you're saying, was just clarifying.

Also, horsepower and torque will always cross at 5252.

Horsepower = (torque*RPM)/5252.

If you'd like to read up and be able to "school" your friends next time they say something stupid, check out this article.

http://www.vettenet.org/torquehp.html
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:01 PM   #116
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Yeah, I hear what you're saying, was just clarifying.

Also, horsepower and torque will always cross at 5252.

Horsepower = (torque*RPM)/5252.

If you'd like to read up and be able to "school" your friends next time they say something stupid, check out this article.

http://www.vettenet.org/torquehp.html
Thank you! I'm still learning a great deal, never seen this yet. Time to start soaking up some more knowledge
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:13 PM   #117
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2012 WRX E85 350hp and 400tq. Stock turbo.
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:56 PM   #118
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2012 WRX E85 350hp and 400tq. Stock turbo.
That is an amazing story. Could you tell it again?
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Thank you! I'm still learning a great deal, never seen this yet. Time to start soaking up some more knowledge
No problem. You have to read it a few times (at least I did), and focus on the numbers/ physics side of things to really grasp it, but it explains everything very well.

It always helps when you're able to mathematically back up something, because you can't really debate math. Math is math. Unless you are full derp, then math doesn't matter.

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That is an amazing story. Could you tell it again?
2012 WRX E85 350hp and 400tq. Stock turbo.

There you go.



WAIT! I have a better story.

2015 WRX (limited edition w/ brembo package) E69 569hp and 669tq. Stock supercharger.
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Old 04-24-2013, 05:21 PM   #120
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Post the Dyno graphs already! 6 pages and NO Dyno graphs?
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Old 04-25-2013, 12:15 PM   #121
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This thread: 390whp and 112 mph traps.
The linked thread: ~335 whp and 116-117 mph traps.
Makes sense.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...light=vf52+e85
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:33 PM   #122
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This thread: 390whp and 112 mph traps.
The linked thread: ~335 whp and 116-117 mph traps.
Makes sense.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...light=vf52+e85
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Old 04-26-2013, 03:19 PM   #123
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2012 WRX E85 350hp and 400tq. Stock turbo.

There you go.



WAIT! I have a better story.

2015 WRX (limited edition w/ brembo package) E69 569hp and 669tq. Stock supercharger.
<-----giggles at the 69's then runs home to invert the wife
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Old 04-26-2013, 10:36 PM   #124
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This was a quality read, thank you.
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:27 AM   #125
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This thread: 390whp and 112 mph traps.
The linked thread: ~335 whp and 116-117 mph traps.
Makes sense.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...light=vf52+e85
You are ignoring the weight factor. That car had had no passenger/rear seats. May have been a light driver too. The D/A was obviously very good on top of that. Lastly, while trap speed was lower for the OP he was not launching and shifting nearly as well as the P&L car which slows trap speed down. I would bet on the same night, weight removed, same driver, the OP's car would run very close to the same numbers.
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