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Old 04-22-2013, 09:24 AM   #51
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As far as fuel mileage goes. I can tell you this about an 2013 Golf R.

It gets as good or better mileage in pure city driving as a standard WRX which is about 19-21 mpg if you never see a freeway and on run light to light.

I have not put a road trip on mine yet, so I do not know what it would do, but when I run into Houston a couple of times, I routinely get mid to high 20's

I got 16 mpg in my 2006 STI in pure city driving.. What fun it was though.
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Old 04-22-2013, 09:40 AM   #52
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Again, I'm looking for my step-dad, who isn't an enthusiast.. he wants good fuel mileage. I'm not knocking the Golf R at all..
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:13 AM   #53
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did not take it as a knock at all CJ. Just wanted to spinkle some info in case anybody else cared.
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Old 04-22-2013, 11:23 AM   #54
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Um, I am

RATHER EXCITED about this... as my current R is just stellar.
Would you buy another one so soon?

<-- asks the guy with a nine year old Subaru.
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Old 04-22-2013, 11:59 AM   #55
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NOt sure. I tend to do things very illogically when it comes to cars. It is my one big vice.
It will come down to just how good the car actually is. I would not take the huge loss unless it was remarkably better. If it had more room in the back, I would strongly consider it. If it is substancially better dynamically I would consider it.

But I would not trade my car in just to have a car that is only 5% better, no. I would hold out for a legacy GT.
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Old 04-22-2013, 12:25 PM   #56
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NOt sure. I tend to do things very illogically when it comes to cars. It is my one big vice.
It will come down to just how good the car actually is. I would not take the huge loss unless it was remarkably better. If it had more room in the back, I would strongly consider it. If it is substancially better dynamically I would consider it.

But I would not trade my car in just to have a car that is only 5% better, no. I would hold out for a legacy GT.
The VW is a great car to buy second-hand from someone like you . Save 1/3 of the money and get a great car with low miles . Not that it's a lot better with any other brand, but I've always been impressed with how abruptly the VWs lose value in the first year. Insane.
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Old 04-22-2013, 12:34 PM   #57
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THat is any german car...
But I am hoping the this car holds its value a tad bit better.
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Old 04-22-2013, 12:42 PM   #58
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THat is any german car...
But I am hoping the this car holds its value a tad bit better.
Well, the TDIs over the past couple years actually had very high resale value. This is especially true when TDI's had a government rebate. People that did decide to sell them after a couple years were able to sell their cars not that far off from what they bought it for. It also helped when petrol soared to nearly $5 a gallon in some places.

I am not quite sure if it's the same right now. There are way more brand new TDIs for sale now.
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The VW is a great car to buy second-hand from someone like you . Save 1/3 of the money and get a great car with low miles . Not that it's a lot better with any other brand, but I've always been impressed with how abruptly the VWs lose value in the first year. Insane.
Man you are so funny....
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Found the video of this on another forum:

http://youtube.com/#/watch?v=j4WZ-Va...ure%3Dyoutu.be
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Found the video of this on another forum:

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This car is going to be great in the snow.. just look at how well it plows.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:22 PM   #62
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Thanks, trying to post a video from a phone can be hit or miss...

So far it looks great, and sounds good. I'm more than excited now to see what they'll have to offer when the production model is revealed.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:42 PM   #63
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HAHA, those tires are working as hard as they can!
I think it sounds pretty decent.
NO it is not a slot car, but looks good enough to have lots of fun in and still be a spectactular daily driver.
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HAHA, those tires are working as hard as they can!
I think it sounds pretty decent.
NO it is not a slot car, but looks good enough to have lots of fun in and still be a spectactular daily driver.

Yea they are, it's does seem planted enough. There were a few moments when the car ended up on the outside of the turn, but overall it looked good. Autocar and a few other magazines are saying that this Golf R will be the most capable R ever and I can see that. The Mk6 was a good DD but I didn't see it as a off the lot trackable car; the mk7 should fix that. VW should use all it's know how to go directly into competition with the STI, it's the really a must. Give the R a wider more agressive stance, a more profound trunk spoiler, better wheels, and maintain its interior refinement. People need to see the overall benefit of buying one over a STI, because right now that's not really the case.
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:52 AM   #65
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To be perfectly honest, if they just gave the US Golf R Summer tires, it would completely change the whole car. The guys over at Vortex who swap to nice summer tires, say the car is totally transformed to a more nimble and responsive beast. You thought it was good on the All Seasons it came with, they cannot stop talking about how good the car is with summer tires

For all we know that R in that picture had more All Seasons on it.
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I loved the way the car drove scrap, it's like someone turned on the light as soon as I got in. It's such a well made car....VW can do so much if they fitted that car with a Haldex controller.
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:19 AM   #67
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no doubt it is good out of the box, but now imagine it with summer tires. It would elevate everything. Braking, steering response, acceleration.. etc. There is a whole level of performance that is on tap with just a change of tires.
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no doubt it is good out of the box, but now imagine it with summer tires. It would elevate everything. Braking, steering response, acceleration.. etc. There is a whole level of performance that is on tap with just a change of tires.
Just read the R-line thread, do you think that something like this will affect the marketability for the Golf R? I imagine that the R bits will be coming out of what may be offered on the Golf R.
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I would not waste a second worrying about R line appearance packages. All cars are bad investments and I do not recommend worrying about how marketable one is. I do not think that the Rline will hurt the golf R any more than STI bits for the WRX will hurt STI sales.

I say go for it.
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Just read the R-line thread, do you think that something like this will affect the marketability for the Golf R? I imagine that the R bits will be coming out of what may be offered on the Golf R.
If it's a similar offering to Audi's S-line packages, and it sounds exactly the same, it doesn't affect the performance at all. It's essentially putting a wing on a regular Impreza (except classier of course).

What makes a Golf R is still unique to that car.

Just like an A4 S-line is still not an S4.
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As far as fuel mileage goes. I can tell you this about an 2013 Golf R.

It gets as good or better mileage in pure city driving as a standard WRX which is about 19-21 mpg if you never see a freeway and on run light to light.
Those numbers are awful for a modern four cylinder car of this size. Using a WRX as a benchmark is a low achievement, whenever the new WRX comes out it needs to perform 20-30% better.
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Well you can say that, but what AWD modern turbocharged car gets better mileage?

When you boost a 4 banger on AWD, you are looking at about 19-21 mpg in pure city, stop and go from light to light.

If you want 30% better, then something drastic has to change. Less weight is the biggest improvement.

I do not see the next golf R making much better mpg. However, I think the next impreza could easily get 20% better if it is lighter and has Direct Injection. But then you can bet you will get another 265 HP car. You may see 280 with marginally better mpg. It is a balancing act with no secret formula.
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The WRX should be better in fuel economy but doubltful at 20-30% city. These are higher performance sedans being the key. People should know there's a penalty to be paid when owning such a car. Not to mention, they can only charge so much for the car so something has to give. There is always the regular anemic NA model that gets significantly better fuel economy using 87 gas.

Moving anything from a stop with AWD will be taxing to the fuel economy, unless it's a hybrid, I can't see it that much better than 22-23mpg at the most. What I do expect is considerably better highway numbers.
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Old 04-26-2013, 03:25 PM   #74
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meh thats fair enough!
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Well you can say that, but what AWD modern turbocharged car gets better mileage?

When you boost a 4 banger on AWD, you are looking at about 19-21 mpg in pure city, stop and go from light to light.
I'm at work so I can't dig through the interwebs for answers, but I would challenge the opposite: which four banger awd cars are getting worse gas mileage than the WRX? Mini Countryman, even a bigger A4 or A3 I would expect to trump the WRX. And that's not surprising, the EJ engine is outdated.

The real flaw for the current WRX is it gets poor highway milage and as a result crappy combined for most people. I see 22mpg with a mostly highway commute in my MY11 and I'm not standing on the pedal.
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