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Old 04-29-2013, 08:07 PM   #1
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Just coming down the i17 under the 101 and got tagged by a laser. Highway patrol must be testing them out. You get no warning at all. Lucky i was behaving.
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:41 PM   #2
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Local LEOs have been using lasers for a long time.
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:06 PM   #3
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Wondered that first time I've been able to confirm visually.
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Old 05-01-2013, 06:30 PM   #4
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Wondered that first time I've been able to confirm visually.
I've only been lasered once, and it was late one night on the 303 just south of Yuma Rd. Goodyear PD was sitting off in the dirt lot behind a home development sign, I saw the light on his gun flash and my ValentineOne went off instantly, but woulda been too late had I been speeding.

Other than that one time I've never encountered laser.

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Old 05-01-2013, 07:03 PM   #5
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I've spotted them checking speed with a gun of some sort... either laser or radar I wasn't sure, on the 51 South right near the glendale off-ramp. Under the overpasses on the north end of the 51N are some favorite DHS ambush sites as well.

Though they've never pulled me over even if I was speeding... odd that.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:15 AM   #6
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I was laser "tagged" WB on the 60 near Stapley two weeks ago.

LE was standing outside his patrol car, under an overpass, on the inside breakdown lane.

The look on his face was priceless, thanks to my Escort ZR3 Laser Shifter. Just the second time in almost 10 years it's been put to use with 100% certainty.

Too bad they're not making the ZR3 anymore.

Neither my V1 nor ZR3 gave any prior warning up to the moment he pulled the trigger, but as he looked in befuddlement at his incorrectly-functioning apparatus (at least as I went by), I said, "whew," and then bawahhahaha.

Not saying I was speeding, just that he thought I was, and he'll never know for sure.
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Old 05-05-2013, 12:20 AM   #7
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I was laser "tagged" WB on the 60 near Stapley two weeks ago.

LE was standing outside his patrol car, under an overpass, on the inside breakdown lane.

The look on his face was priceless, thanks to my Escort ZR3 Laser Shifter. Just the second time in almost 10 years it's been put to use with 100% certainty.

Too bad they're not making the ZR3 anymore.

Neither my V1 nor ZR3 gave any prior warning up to the moment he pulled the trigger, but as he looked in befuddlement at his incorrectly-functioning apparatus (at least as I went by), I said, "whew," and then bawahhahaha.

Not saying I was speeding, just that he thought I was, and he'll never know for sure.
How does one of those things stop a laser? I've been told by several people that they dont work and from what I know about how lasers work I don't see how they could.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:08 AM   #8
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Imagine you're looking at a crowd of people for someone wearing red.

You're using a narrow-beam flashlight, and it's pitch black.

The guy with the flashlight jammer has strobe lights on that light up blue when you shine light on him.

You'll never see if he's wearing red or not because he's much too bright
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:23 AM   #9
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But lasers use a focused beam that reflects off of the car.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:32 AM   #10
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Not sure how they work but they do. Here's a video of laser jammer working from the laser's pov. Just fast forward to 2 minutes
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Old 05-06-2013, 07:37 AM   #11
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What a terrible video

In the video they use a C5 corvette as the "test" car and there's a reason why.

The smooth wedge shape of the body gives the radar gun less area to target, if you listen to the guy using the laser gun, he's trying to target just the blinkers (which aren't very big in the first place) because the car has no plate and because the headlights are hidden from sight.

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Unfortunately for speeders, the ability to have complete invisibility to police radar and laser doesn't exist.

Experts including Radar Roy recommend additional products that can help delay vehicle detection by police radar and laser. The simplest is a black bra used to protect the front of a vehicle from road debris and stone chips. Because it covers much of the vehicle's reflective surface, a black bra dramatically reduces the light reflected back to a laser gun.

Because headlights, fog lights and license plates must remain visible - and are highly reflective - these can be treated with radar/laser absorbing coating. These coatings (Laser Veil is one of the brands in this category) reduce reflectivity, giving a driver more time to react once their detector device signals an alarm.

Currently, limited invisibility is the best that speeders can hope for in the ever-changing game of cat and mouse with vigilant law enforcement. If there is one thing to expect, it's that technology will continue to evolve and these constant shifts in the balance of power will keep things interesting.
also, C5 owners talking about not being able to be picked up on laser

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-g...questions.html
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Old 05-07-2013, 08:19 PM   #12
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I have been playing stealth for years.

It takes a combo of products to get a delay that is needed to drop the boat anchors. But the key to anything is between the ears.

If you are not paying attention in the 1st place your still going to get caught. And you should. If your going over the limit you should be focused for everyones safety.

Also nothing works if your being paced. And laser has been around for years.
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Old 05-07-2013, 09:36 PM   #13
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What combo of products would you recommend? The valentine 1 is at the top if my list, but I need a Tbelt first
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:24 PM   #14
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I have been playing stealth for years.

It takes a combo of products to get a delay that is needed to drop the boat anchors. But the key to anything is between the ears.

If you are not paying attention in the 1st place your still going to get caught. And you should. If your going over the limit you should be focused for everyones safety.

Also nothing works if your being paced. And laser has been around for years.
+1,000,000 on the using your head part.

I don't drive slow but I don't drive like a jackass either. In the 14 years I have been driving, Jesus I'm getting old, I have been pulled over twice.
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Old 05-08-2013, 05:09 PM   #15
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So C-grunt, what is the rule for length of time that a laser reading needs to be established before it is deemed accurate? I'm assume that they need to hold it on you for like 2 or 3 seconds before calling it good? With my V1 I've noticed that once they get a lock on you that they hold it there for a few good seconds before letting off and checking the reading. I've had a couple times where I was going 10 over and got hit. I let off the gas and by the time they stopped hitting me, I was only about 2 or 3 over. They never went after me so I wonder if it is because my average speed from the reading was around 4 or 5 over? This is in Gilbert and before I had the V1 I've been pulled over twice for going 8 or 9 over.
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So C-grunt, what is the rule for length of time that a laser reading needs to be established before it is deemed accurate? I'm assume that they need to hold it on you for like 2 or 3 seconds before calling it good? With my V1 I've noticed that once they get a lock on you that they hold it there for a few good seconds before letting off and checking the reading. I've had a couple times where I was going 10 over and got hit. I let off the gas and by the time they stopped hitting me, I was only about 2 or 3 over. They never went after me so I wonder if it is because my average speed from the reading was around 4 or 5 over? This is in Gilbert and before I had the V1 I've been pulled over twice for going 8 or 9 over.
I don't know man. I don't do traffic enforcement much at all so I never got a radar/laser gun.

I can say that the reason why you did or didn't get pulled over could be the result of a lot of things. Some departments have a policy of not writing tickets under a certain speed over, usually 8-10, unless in a school zone. Then most officers have a certain speed that they are looking for. Ive talked to a couple DPS guys who said they wont even consider pulling you over until 15 over. Then you have the individual officers opinion on the speed, conditions and car type.

Personally If I see a car speeding up an onramp I am more likely to pull it over if its a big truck then a sports car.
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^yeah, your probably not gonna find a cop writing a ticket for less than 5mph over. Unless there are other charges, tags, insurance, etc.

3-5mph can be explained with numerous things, tires, speedo, calibration, etc. Should you get a ticket for less than 5 over and you fight it, the judge will probably be upset that the officer is waisting the courts time. Specially when the judge knows there are plenty of people of going 10+ over. I've seen a few judges dismiss -5mph tickets because the person had other infractions that were more servere or that was the only infraction.

Every department views traffic enforcement differently, specially during different times of the day. In non rush hour DPS seem to be more interested super speeders and maintaining roadway safety, specially with that camera fiasco, notice that there are more DPS service trucks? Semis are a big priority too, a semis crash could cause a huge wreck. Rush hour is a different story for, I'm pretty sure DPS has had cars equipped with cameras that auto read all plates in view and alert them of expired registration, etc. for awhile now.

Motorcycle cops around rush hour, are only for speeders as far as I can tell. I think your chances of getting pulled over by them is reduced if you see them and slow down and maybe even nod or wave. I've seen a few people blow by a motorcycle like they didn't even see them and that pisses them off more than anything

I think a lot also depends on what's going on politically, also areas that are high in accidents and speeders are targeted to reduce incidents.

The real trick is to not speed, if you are gonna speed and you don't want tickets, then either you get out of vision before he makes positive ID or you have a real good excuse.
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I think also the officer that hits you on laser and sees you slow down and correct your speed asumes , one your paying attention, two knows he scared you and you might keep it slow for a bit.

Most would rather pop a clueless ahole speeding and weaving while on their phone type, as those people are a problem waiting to happen.


Lots of leos I know also leave their radar units on as a form of traffic control. They know lots of people have detectors and will slow when ka is detected.

Laser use can be a sign also of a high enforcement zone. When 2 mph can get you pulled over. This happens after a nasty accident were speed was a factor.

But really if you are scanning the road, moving your eyes you shouldnt have much of an issue.
The 25 years I have been driving... 1 ticket, and I routinely get from phx to san fran in 8-9 hours.

And also dont be the fastest ahole on the road. Lets someone else the clueless guy/gal take the ticket.
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:45 PM   #19
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They hand out tickets here in prescott for 3 mph over, but that's in a 25 mph zone and if your young looking. Generally older folks get warnings for 3-5 over but they're still getting pulled over. Once a week there's a speed trap leaving my residential area. lower crime rate equals more traffic enforcement, they just increased their traffic budget also. I rarely exceed the speed limit for that reason, a good 1-2 shift is all you get here unless you can afford a ticket.
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Yeah, plus everywhere you go in Prescott is fing 35mph. Or they trap you like on glasford where it goes from 45 to 35 right where the damn cameras are. I got flashed twice in one day there, and on 69 but never got anything in the mail. I even called and gave the guy in duty a piece of my mind. Cops up there suck my balls
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Old 05-09-2013, 04:27 AM   #21
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Glad im not the only one noticing the preditory traffic enforcement here. They hand out the most retarded tickets, I got one for "illegal use of private property to avoid a traffic signal". I pulled into a gas station, realized I left my cash at home then headed back the way I came, no illegal turns involved, I got a 75$ fine and traffic school for that stunt. Then there was the time I was driving a 3 cylinder geo metro; making a right turn from a stop sign onto an uphill, mud-washed street; spun the inside tire shifting into second. An on-duty cop heard the street shredding chaos going on half a block away, he was inside his house checking it out while it was still under construction. He then chased me down like I just robbed a bank, completely irate, he pulled his gun out of his holster as he approached my car. After threatening me with jail-time and screaming at me for a while, he gave me a "drag racing" ticket and said I was going to lose my license. The judge laughed at it in court as I never broke the 25 mph speed limit and he knew what a geo metro was. I still got nailed with an exhibition of speed for spinning the one tire.
But, more recently Ive seen an officer in an undercover dodge challenger/charger that attempts to instigate a race with a import cars. Its laughable because their taste in mods are poor, making it obviously undercover. Yet, I've seen him arresting some kids before.
Ive always felt preyed upon while driving in the Prescott area. It's that paranoia that drove me to put a wrx motor in an ugly old legacy. Nothing to see here. LOL, I should probably just see a shrink instead.
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Glad im not the only one noticing the preditory traffic enforcement here. They hand out the most retarded tickets, I got one for "illegal use of private property to avoid a traffic signal". I pulled into a gas station, realized I left my cash at home then headed back the way I came, no illegal turns involved, I got a 75$ fine and traffic school for that stunt. Then there was the time I was driving a 3 cylinder geo metro; making a right turn from a stop sign onto an uphill, mud-washed street; spun the inside tire shifting into second. An on-duty cop heard the street shredding chaos going on half a block away, he was inside his house checking it out while it was still under construction. He then chased me down like I just robbed a bank, completely irate, he pulled his gun out of his holster as he approached my car. After threatening me with jail-time and screaming at me for a while, he gave me a "drag racing" ticket and said I was going to lose my license. The judge laughed at it in court as I never broke the 25 mph speed limit and he knew what a geo metro was. I still got nailed with an exhibition of speed for spinning the one tire.
But, more recently Ive seen an officer in an undercover dodge challenger/charger that attempts to instigate a race with a import cars. Its laughable because their taste in mods are poor, making it obviously undercover. Yet, I've seen him arresting some kids before.
Ive always felt preyed upon while driving in the Prescott area. It's that paranoia that drove me to put a wrx motor in an ugly old legacy. Nothing to see here. LOL, I should probably just see a shrink instead.
Wow, what kind of Smokey and the Bandit shenanigans is going on in Prescott?! That's crazy. I must confess I was giggling as I was imagined your meek little Geo Metro slipping on some mud on a slight incline with Beuford T Justice acting like you are all fast n furious, but I started crying with laughter when I read "excessive speed" with respect to a Geo Metro. I'm so sorry! That sucks. Didn't their speedos only go up to 85?
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Wow, what kind of Smokey and the Bandit shenanigans is going on in Prescott?! That's crazy. I must confess I was giggling as I was imagined your meek little Geo Metro slipping on some mud on a slight incline with Beuford T Justice acting like you are all fast n furious, but I started crying with laughter when I read "excessive speed" with respect to a Geo Metro. I'm so sorry! That sucks. Didn't their speedos only go up to 85?
Downhill with a tailwind the little panel on the speedo opens and then you get to see the 85. Not that you are gonna get there, but at least it lets you see it lmao
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Old 05-11-2013, 10:26 AM   #24
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When did this start? When I was a student up there at ERAU, I obeyed speed laws... Most if the time, but pulled all the normal driver stunts you're listing but was never pulled over. Granted, I was driving a new 05 Forester (in 05 & 06), but my haircut & appearance marked me as a Riddle guy by anyone with eyes. I lived up there from 02 till 07.

I generally find the cops here in Phoenix to be fairly chill. Just don't drive like an a-hat and pay attention & drive speed of conditions & you'll be pretty safe is what I've found.
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I was talking to my buddy with a C6, he was saying that the stationary radar "your speed is" can't read his car unless he is doing a very steady speed, as soon as he touches the gas it loses lock.

He was saying that the newest vette and the C6 have been designed for stealth

So if you wanna speed and not get radar tickets, buy a vette apparently.
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