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Old 04-30-2013, 07:59 PM   #1
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Hey Wagon Owners!!

Ever try to find a more agressive wing or one that may actually help on the track? I cant find one but I found a way to adjust the angle of the rear wing. I know it will gain no actual downforce increase in its current state(untill I get it molded into place and whatnot) but for that more agressive look on the street here is an idea I just installed.
Its simple and cheap(under $20) and completely reversable as shown. And it can be done in an afternoon.

(Sorry for you 08 hatchback guys who bought that $100 Perrin wing stand off kit, im sure you can find the parts like I did at Lowes too )





So where is what you need at Lowes.

In the Hardware section they have a Specilty Bolt cabnet. you can get all the parts in this area.

I used Hillman brand parts.
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2- M6x1.00 x65 Hex cap bolts
2- 1/2x .257 x 1 nylon spacers
2- 1/2x .257 x1/4 nylon spacers
2- 1/2" post binder bolt set (this is a female shanked bolt with a flat head and a short screw with a flathead screwdriver groove)
1 bag of 1/8x 3/4 fender washers.

Once you remove the stock wing, there is a set of pop clips that you need to remove, do not break the plastic holders for it, your 1/2" binder post will snap in there.
I suggest putting a small piece of black tape(electrical tape) on it to help it from free spinning when you put the screw in.

I wraped the nylon spacers in electrical tape for appearances.

Next seal up the whole in the wing with black tape, use 3 strips start at the back near the glass and overlap each layer 1/4" slit the tape over the hole when done. I trimmed my tape to extend past the hole 1/4 on each side.

Now for the wing take the new longer bolts place 4 flat washers(not the fender washers) on the hex head side and down through the original bolt hole. Place the 1" spacer on the hex bolt underneath and start the bolt in the nut in the hatch, you must start this by hand, it is easy to cross thread as the angle is not 100% straight. once both bolts are in you may tighten it down but not all the way.

Here is the tricky part...
over the hole on the outside you sealed tape 1 flat waster down and slit the hole. next place the 1/4" spacer on the binding post and ease it down through the washer, a second person can help get the other side. this can be tricky as you have to force it with a finger. You will know you got it when the wing starts to pinch your finger.

Once this is in place its time for the fender washer and the screw.
below is the best way to help start it with some black tape.



You must start it by hand, its tricky but it can be done, these are aluminum so they strip/cross thread EASY!
They are in the holes where the gromets fit from the wires for the wiper and defrost grid. it will take a few tries but be paitent and steady.

Once you get it finish it with the screw driver. It may not get fully tight as the post may spin in which case you can take it all off and add more tape or check how loose it is and leave it if its not too loose.
Mine has maybe a 16th" of play or less. But the fender washer is larger then the hole so it wont pull through from the inside.
Put tape on it when finished just to help prevent it from backing off.

Now you can finish tightening the back bolts and you are done.

Now the wing has a little stand off and a little agressive look.
If left this way it may get a little wobble on the highway or when you hit bumps. I plan to make larger bases for it to hold it steady and even perhaps just have it molded to the hatch permanently. When it become permanent it MAY provide some added downforce. Even now im sure it will but not in a effective measure as it has some flex room.

Enjoy guys.

** I Have NOT TESTED it yet on highway speeds yet.**





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Old 04-30-2013, 10:42 PM   #2
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looks great, pic of open hatch?
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:15 PM   #3
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no but It will not interfere with the rails if thats your concern, even if you had 1/2" spacers. I had tried with 1/2" spacers but it only stood the wing off the body, no angle changes.
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:20 PM   #4
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Looks like a duckbill on a mexican's civic hatchback.
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Old 05-01-2013, 12:46 AM   #5
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Looks like a duckbill on a mexican's civic hatchback.
I liked the part where you were a racist.
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Old 05-01-2013, 06:35 AM   #6
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I like it. It probably will help create some downforce at high speeds.
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Old 05-03-2013, 06:09 AM   #7
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Well I just drove 400miles between 70-80 and a few times near 100. wing is still on and my buddy was in his truck said no wobbles or anything. I cannot say for certain that it was helping but I do know that the winding highways of WV I could stay in the lane fairly easily at 80 even when the highways had tight switchbacks, and on the tight exit ramps.
Ill give it some "tests" when I get back to my home grounds. I know of some roads where I can push it and know how it did on them before.
Im curious now if its a help or hinderence...
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:48 PM   #8
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I like it, I'll be trying it this weekend. I've been searching for something similar, and had been wanting to take the wing off to see if this was possible.
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Old 05-05-2013, 09:44 PM   #9
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if you have any questions just message me. ill try to explain anything better if need be.
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Old 05-05-2013, 09:45 PM   #10
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i can get you pictures of the exact parts I used too.
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That'd be cool if you would do that. I'm fairly mechanically inclined so if I find something that would be different and or improve the design or ease of installation I'll post it here.
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Old 05-05-2013, 09:55 PM   #12
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hmmm.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:28 AM   #13
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looks like a puppy wagging its tail.... the angle just looks wrong to me
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Old 05-06-2013, 07:15 AM   #14
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The angles a bit high but I like the idea. I think I'll try the same with shorter spacers. Post side shots from further back.
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Old 05-06-2013, 08:04 AM   #15
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Ill get some shots this week, may take a few days (I work on cell towers and we pull long hours.) but ill post them by weeks end for sure.

as for the spacer height I tried with a 1/2 in the front and the 1" in the back and it just made the wing stand off the body with no angle change. if you use a shorter spacer in the back just make sure you get a shorter bolt. The toughest part is getting the front binding post together. It is essentally the pivot point for the setup.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:09 PM   #16
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Ok so here are some images to go along with the install.

first is the binding post I used in the front edge of the wing and the spacer. they are 1/2" and in the specialty bolt section at lowes.
i do appologise they are a bit blurry but I dont have smart phone to take the pictures with.







for the bolt I listed a M6x1.00x65 a 55mm bolt should do the trick for the 1" spacer lift in the rear.

I will try to get a shot of the car far away later in the week. its raining here where I am(WV) so the images are not that great.
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I just picked up all of the items you had listed in the OP about an hour ago. It's rained so much here lately Idk when I'll have time to do it lol.
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Also it cost me less than $10
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Old 05-07-2013, 09:32 AM   #19
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isnt that the best part of it all! :-)

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The hardest part is getting the bind post screw in through the hole in the wing, if you have a drillbit you could cut it bigger and then silicone it after your done to make it easier.
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:27 PM   #20
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Wow, what a pan in the ass to do alone. I ended up using some rubber grommets (also in the Lowes hardware section) as my "spacers". I feel it's a little more sturdy have these as they have a wider base, plus they're already black. I also used a small piece of 3m double sided tape on the back of the female binding post (the one that attaches to the wing) to help hold them in.

I'm on a search to find steal binding posts because I ended up using a regular bolt to thread into the female post and I'm pretty sure the threads are messed up on one side but it's holding together for now.

I'm going to keep messing with it and I'll post updates as well as pictures of before and after.

I stated taking pictures of the process but realized I wanted to do more trouble shooting first before I post more info.

Stay posted fellow wagon owners!
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awesome. yeah I wanted to as well but found I just wanted to work through it lol I had a friend help me luckily but yeah I will likely re-engineer it in the future but fornow its holding and looks great.
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:49 PM   #22
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We'll work together more and we can write a how-to, if you're interested. I think this will be big with other wagon owners if we can get something solid down.
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just throwing this out there, but it's very likely that the wagons produce more downforce in the rear without any sort of spoiler whatsoever. the oem one is really just for looks. increasing the angle will create a ton more drag, and only marginally more downforce.
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Old 05-09-2013, 11:38 PM   #24
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And I can totally agree with that, but with personally having a roof rack I didn't think changing the angle of the wing was going to produce that much more drag to matter. Plus I don't do too much highway driving anyways.
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Old 05-09-2013, 11:53 PM   #25
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completely agree. I think some testing will be in order as well of some sort to also see if it is effective.

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