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Old 05-12-2013, 10:06 PM   #351
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Well, you've got all the turbo your ever gonna need now!

My block is sleeved, no o-ring with a stepped deck. Pauter rods. I've had 2 previous non-sleeved blocks fail. One was really bad, the last one lasted about 12,000 miles before it started eating coolant through the sleeve.

I think the cams look good, I also think degreeing the cam is more important that I originally thought. LIC adjustable idlers are great, maybe offset keyway if you need it. I run BC adjustable gears as well (used to run JUN, but they got old and BC were pretty and lightweight)

1) Sleeved (if it was me), or block re-enforcement of some sort
2) Bigger cams and valvetrain, DEGREE the camshaft
3) Cosworth (or whatever large plenum shorter runner) Intake manifold W/larger throttle body

What size is your IC piping?

I also picked up a ludicrous amount of power by ditching the tiny primary Perrin headers.

Shoot me a PM again and we can talk via e-mail. I'll tell you what didn't work for me, and that was ALOT. From EJ205, EJ207, EJ257, Sleeved, etc. And I don't get mad if someone dismisses my opinion and goes a different route. As log as you post some logs and show me how to do it better! Hahaha
The Perrin stock FMIC piping, I think is 2.25" and 2.5". Yeah I am running perrin headers.
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Old 05-12-2013, 10:15 PM   #352
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The Torque Solutions stuff is nice but pricey, the set is $495.
All their stuff is pretty cheap except the motor mounts...thats what jacks the package price up.


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I've had 3 bad parts from them. Had to sand a tranny mount for 30 minutes so it would fit. And had a motor mount that wouldn't work cause the stud was in the wrong spot and another motor mount that stud broke off of cause it had one crappy tack weld
I just installed their tranny mount today and now my car wont shift
Waiting to hear back from the vendor I bought it from.

Their Pitch stop was good and didnt notice too much NVM
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Old 05-13-2013, 10:58 AM   #353
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All their stuff is pretty cheap except the motor mounts...thats what jacks the package price up.




I just installed their tranny mount today and now my car wont shift
Waiting to hear back from the vendor I bought it from.

Their Pitch stop was good and didnt notice too much NVM
Did you compare it dimension wise to the group n or stock trans mount? My buddy Angel has use this as his go to kit if a customer wants more than group n stuff offers and he has not had any issues with fit.

I've got all WL poly bushings throughout my car, all the suspension (w/ zirk fittings) and drive line mounts except these 4 components. I did notice some mild NVH change but not annoying at all. I've also added sound deadening mat to the PC and that really helped with the NVH. I wonder if some sound mat applied to that area of the FW would help it? I've never looked at the firewall like that.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:10 AM   #354
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The OEM tranny mounts between the 5 speed and 6 speed are slightly different heights. Turque Solution sells the same mount for both the WRX and STI. The Cusco mount is shorter so it will fit the 6 speed. With the 5 speed you need to use washers on the mounting points. I have the Cusco and I've used it on the 5 speed (with washers) and 6 speed (without washers) and I didn't have any issues. The Torque Solution is a Cusco knock off, but I don't know what dimensions it is made to.

Maybe the above info is irrelevant. Lol. I don't know your setup. Just something that could be related. Especially if they decided to try and split the difference between the two and it doesn't work well with either. But I'm just speculating. If anything I would pull it out and compare to your OEM mount (if you have the correct one for your tranny). If the TS is too short, then add a washer or two.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:24 AM   #355
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The Torque Solutions tranny mount is the same for 5 or 6 speed and yes you are correct that the stock 6 speed trans mount is shorter in height than the 5 speed mount, so depending on the application you may need to shim the mount some for fit. When I did my driveline swap I also swapped in all the STI cross members so everything in my car is the same as an STI so hopefully the trans mount fits in and keeps the alingment exactly as is currently for me.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:34 AM   #356
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Did you find the crossmembers to be different? It was my understanding that the only difference in fitment was the height of the tranny mount. I didn't swap the crossmembers, but I did remove the washers from the Cusco tranny mount when I put in the 6 speed and it all seems to be working fine for me.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:55 AM   #357
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For you with a WRX 5 speed to STI 6 speed swap, there would be no difference in height and overall shape of the cross members. The STI cross members are all a bit more robust than the WRX and the FXT, from the front to the rear most likely to handle the added torque of the power and the rally race application they designed the STI for.

With a Forester it's a little different because it starts life as an Impreza truckster. The FXT has an approximately 1 1/8" high set of spacers between the front cross member and the unit body, longer struts, steering shaft u joint etc... to give it added ground clearance and room for taller tires. The FXT trans cross member is unique in that it's taller to accommodate that added height. There's a very detailed thread on the Forester.org site that I and a few others worked on back in 2010 which covers the 6 speed swap alignment issues.

I want to swap mine mounts out before it becomes and issue. I hate breaking **** when I could've prevented it with stuff like this!

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Old 05-13-2013, 12:50 PM   #358
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Did you compare it dimension wise to the group n or stock trans mount? My buddy Angel has use this as his go to kit if a customer wants more than group n stuff offers and he has not had any issues with fit.
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No I havnt checked it against the stock one but I will today when I take it back out. I am using it on a RS with a STI 6-speed but I don't see why that should matter.
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Old 05-13-2013, 01:18 PM   #359
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No I havnt checked it against the stock one but I will today when I take it back out. I am using it on a RS with a STI 6-speed but I don't see why that should matter.
What trans mount were you using before the TS and with which cross member? I'm not intimately familiar with the RS/ GC stuff but there may be a difference in heights there thats affecting your shifter alignment.
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Old 05-13-2013, 01:54 PM   #360
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What trans mount were you using before the TS and with which cross member? I'm not intimately familiar with the RS/ GC stuff but there may be a difference in heights there thats affecting your shifter alignment.
I believe its the stock trans mount and cross member that comes on a 2002 JDM STI. The PO did the swap so not a 100% on those details.
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:26 PM   #361
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I believe its the stock trans mount and cross member that comes on a 2002 JDM STI. The PO did the swap so not a 100% on those details.
I guess the best way to figure it out will be to compare the original with the new TS mount. There must be a height difference between the two.
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Old 05-18-2013, 09:48 AM   #362
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I spent sometime looking at the "official road dyno thread" and found some logs of my car with the VF39 and the stock engine. Here is a comparison of three setups with a TMIC:



VF39 vs FP Green vs FP Black (boost on the FP green was probably 25psi but I didn't have a upgraded map sensor)

The car trapped 121mph with 380-390whp. When I added the cams and ported heads I lost some power with the VF39.
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Old 05-18-2013, 10:32 AM   #363
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So you made that power with the VF on the stock long block before you did the head work? The torque is not surprising or unusual but the HP is amazing! No wonder you trapped 121 on a VF.
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Old 05-18-2013, 12:18 PM   #364
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So you made that power with the VF on the stock long block before you did the head work? The torque is not surprising or unusual but the HP is amazing! No wonder you trapped 121 on a VF.
Yes... after the head work I lost 10-20whp and it got a little bit laggier. I trapped 121mph with the head work.
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Old 05-18-2013, 01:03 PM   #365
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Yes... after the head work I lost 10-20whp and it got a little bit laggier. I trapped 121mph with the head work.
That's weird that you lost HP considering the fact that you picked up trap speed. I can understand the loss of spool and torque but I'll bet the HP held longer, farther right with the cams and head work.
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Old 05-18-2013, 01:20 PM   #366
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That's weird that you lost HP considering the fact that you picked up trap speed. I can understand the loss of spool and torque but I'll bet the HP held longer, farther right with the cams and head work.
It never had a chance to take the car with stock engine to the 1/4th of mile at that power. It probably would had trap 122-123mph
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Do the 121 trap was with the stock long block and VF39?
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Old 05-18-2013, 05:07 PM   #368
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Do the 121 trap was with the stock long block and VF39?


The car was faster with the stock long block than with the build motor.

With the ported heads, cams, and pistons and the VF39 it trapped 121mph.
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Old 05-18-2013, 05:15 PM   #369
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That's weird. Who did your headwork?
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The car was faster with the stock long block than with the build motor.

With the ported heads, cams, and pistons and the VF39 it trapped 121mph.
Sorry got it, I misread your post
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Old 05-18-2013, 05:23 PM   #371
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That's weird. Who did your headwork?
It was done locally. On the next build I am starting with everything fresh.

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Sorry got it, I misread your post
Np. Clutch will be here on Tuesday and just got the rewire kit.
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Old 05-18-2013, 05:53 PM   #372
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It was done locally. On the next build I am starting with everything fresh.



Np. Clutch will be here on Tuesday and just got the rewire kit.
Yeah have Fuji do your heads!

I know the rewire kit only comes with the positive wire from the battery but I would pick up some 10 gauge black wire and run that from the negative terminal of the battery back along with the positive wire, while you are doing this. I am going run this negative wire this on mine.
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Old 05-18-2013, 08:38 PM   #373
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it really isn't a good idea to run the ground cable back to the battery...waste of time, money, and wiring...and it could possibly brown out the pump if it isn't done correctly. You will get more simple and reliable results by having your ground less than 3' in length and just bolted to the frame on an unpainted spot (there are plenty to choose from in very close proximity to the fuel pump).
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Old 05-18-2013, 09:19 PM   #374
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it really isn't a good idea to run the ground cable back to the battery...waste of time, money, and wiring...and it could possibly brown out the pump if it isn't done correctly. You will get more simple and reliable results by having your ground less than 3' in length and just bolted to the frame on an unpainted spot (there are plenty to choose from in very close proximity to the fuel pump).
I beg to differ here! Any time you can home run wire runs especially for short periods of heavier draw use like a oem controlled FP you will benefit. The cost is so minimal for 10 or 12 gauge wire <$10 and you already have the conduit/ wire path in place. My car is grounded exceptionally well but copper still conducts better than steel and its a dedicated and balanced electrical path.
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Old 05-20-2013, 01:09 AM   #375
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You only picked up 89hp from a Vf39 to a black?
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