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Old 05-04-2013, 06:27 PM   #176
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I believe BRZ edit is already down to $450 for a tune. ($900+ is stupid for a N/A tune on a mass produced car)

Yeah I'd stay away from borla lol. Look at revworks if you want the rumble.

Seems to me that half the issues are already solved in the later build numbers .
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:24 PM   #177
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I'd look at JDL or Rev Works for an UEL header right now. JDL is better quality but it's also quite a bit more expensive.

I think we'll have some sort of open source tuning sometime next year, if the BRZEdit guy can figure it out there are others who will figure it out as well. Ecutek has by far the most full featured product right now with custom maps, flex fuel support, boost control, etc. but none of it user controllable...

Just like the WRX things will go through an evolution. We started off with Unichips, UTECs, Ecutek, etc. and it took years for open source tuning to come about.
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Old 05-05-2013, 12:19 AM   #178
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Looks like flange problems with the UEL headers.

Then you have the O2 sensor issue, obviously beside curing the toqrque dip a BIG advantage of a header is getting rid of the manifold cat, when it starts to break down in 50k miles bits of ceramic will find their way into the engine block.
You seem overly concerned about issues. The flange issues are a problem with Borla headers specifically. A quality header from anyone else shouldn't have flange issue, UEL, EL, or any other orientation I haven't thought of.

The header cat is post-engine, unlike early WRX models that a cat pre-engine and two in the downpipe... How does a post-engine cat disintegrate INTO the engine?
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:10 AM   #179
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You seem overly concerned about issues. The flange issues are a problem with Borla headers specifically. A quality header from anyone else shouldn't have flange issue, UEL, EL, or any other orientation I haven't thought of.

The header cat is post-engine, unlike early WRX models that a cat pre-engine and two in the downpipe... How does a post-engine cat disintegrate INTO the engine?

All cats are post engine, ask the first year MR-S owners how their cats disintegrated and totaled their engines, it can happen.

This is a first year ground up chassis and engine so there will be issues. I bought mine labor day last year and have literally had a CEL light 4900 out of its 5k miles. The dealers here (rural PA) has no idea how to work on the car. The Subaru Dealer doesn't have Techstream and the Toyota dealer knows nothing about boxer enginers, neither know RWD. None of the CEL's have been serious but it is concerning.

The car is so nice to drive it is almost addictive. I am looking for ways to make it last forever and spot first year bugs.

The fact that an improved header has such an effect on the torque dip tells me the stock manifold/cat is a big weak spot or even a possible root cause catastrophic failure mode. I mean if it is causing such a big torque dip it is probably stressing the exhaust valves, and after the MRS problems I just don't want a cat that close to the head.

But you are right its probably just me being paranoid, take my comments with a grain of salt, but its better to look for ways to improve the design now than later.
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Old 05-05-2013, 09:35 AM   #180
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All cats are post engine, ask the first year MR-S owners how their cats disintegrated and totaled their engines, it can happen.
Never heard of this. Not arguing.. just saying, haven't heard of it.. and there are lots of cars with cats integrated into the headers due to cold start emissions requirements.

All N/A Subarus have had close coupled catalytic converters since 2006.
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:36 PM   #181
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Never heard of this. Not arguing.. just saying, haven't heard of it.. and there are lots of cars with cats integrated into the headers due to cold start emissions requirements.

All N/A Subarus have had close coupled catalytic converters since 2006.
Wrx/sti were a solid two feet post turbo so not quite the same. Tgv's n air pumps instead of a header cat....
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WRXs weren't N/A last time I checked.
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:40 PM   #183
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Wrx/sti were a solid two feet post turbo so not quite the same. Tgv's n air pumps instead of a header cat....
02-05 WRX had a pre-turbo catalyst in the up-pipe from the manifold.
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:41 PM   #184
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WRXs weren't N/A last time I checked.
Well mine is. Oh ****, I bought a BRZ?? ****!

God dammit double posting.
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Old 05-05-2013, 10:59 PM   #185
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He said since 06...and I don't see how a turbo makes a difference to whether the cat is close or not.

Not a big deal. The issue is whether a cat could be sucked into an engine from the exhaust side which I doubt. ( someone chime in with cylinder pulses or some other magic?)

The reason I don't want one is that it is added weight and hurt power. Plus it does very little for emissions.
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Old 05-05-2013, 11:54 PM   #186
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Not a big deal. The issue is whether a cat could be sucked into an engine from the exhaust side which I doubt. ( someone chime in with cylinder pulses or some other magic?)
In the WRX with pre-turbo cat, the FOD to the turbo could grenade your engine if I understand properly. Aside from that example, I really struggle to believe a header cat could pop your engine if it disintegrates.
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:51 PM   #187
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If stuff is gettting sucked into your engine on the exhaust side, you have bigger problems than just a cat
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:16 PM   #188
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So why is it that 2point0 and I noticed that these cars get way worse gas mileage when you put cruise control on? Maximizing my gas mileage for almost 9k miles by just throttling it got old real quick.
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:35 PM   #189
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Cruise control is for obeying speed limits in heavily enforced areas, not gas economy.
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:38 PM   #190
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Damn the man! I throttle 'til the day I DIE!
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:25 PM   #191
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1 week till I have the car back, wooo. As far as gas economy cruising in 6th with cruise control I normally get around 28-30mpg highway. IMO that's pretty good.
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1 week till I have the car back, wooo. As far as gas economy cruising in 6th with cruise control I normally get around 28-30mpg highway. IMO that's pretty good.
Last couple highway tanks were around 28mpg, but I've gotten up to 35mpg on long, steady-throttle highway drives. My city/rush hour mileage is a LOT worse than that, though.
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Old 06-15-2013, 01:18 PM   #194
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Hey everybody, I'm looking at getting a BRZ soon and am wondering what kind of gas mileage to expect. I know this is talked about a lot, but I am interested in what kind of mileage you guys get when cruising at 55-60MPH in 6th gear. Most of my commute to school is 50-55MPH speed limit so I'm wondering if it's possible to get 30-35MPG with the manual on a drive like this?
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Hey everybody, I'm looking at getting a BRZ soon and am wondering what kind of gas mileage to expect. I know this is talked about a lot, but I am interested in what kind of mileage you guys get when cruising at 55-60MPH in 6th gear. Most of my commute to school is 50-55MPH speed limit so I'm wondering if it's possible to get 30-35MPG with the manual on a drive like this?
At 55-60 in 6th, you'll easily get above 30. I typically see about 30 cruising at 75.
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Okay, I know my Forester gets much better mileage at that speed then highway speeds.

My commute alone is going to be 120 miles a day, plus any detours, a bit of city driving/traffic, and if I run out for lunch or something. The miles will roll up quickly
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Old 06-15-2013, 07:46 PM   #197
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The wait is killing me right now! Was finally given an ETA and I pick up the car the first week of July. Woot
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I sit in traffic and mash the throttle at red lights...I still average the kind of mileage my WRX got on the highway. More fun and overall better gas mileage, especially on uninterrupted highway stints at a steady cruising speed.
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Okay, because right now my choices are...

2013/14 WRX Limited Hatch

OR

2014 Limited BRZ & 2000 Subaru Forester S (for bad weather days since I live in Maine and it snows and stuff)

I've test driven both cars, the BRZ was miles ahead of the WRX in terms of quality and feel in my opinion, everything felt so "tight" to me and I really liked the car, the gas mileage is pretty good, and it seems like a car I wouldn't mind driving 120 miles in every day (3 hours ). The WRX however...has a turbo, which I found to be fun since I've never had a turbo in any of my vehicles. Plus it's a hatchback so I could throw my stuff in the back easily, no worries about traveling etc...

I like both cars a lot, I guess I should see when the 2014 Pre-orders will start on the BRZs.

Thanks for the input on gas mileage!
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The WRX however...has a turbo, which I found to be fun since I've never had a turbo in any of my vehicles. Plus it's a hatchback so I could throw my stuff in the back easily, no worries about traveling etc...

I like both cars a lot, I guess I should see when the 2014 Pre-orders will start on the BRZs.

Thanks for the input on gas mileage!
EJ25x turbo mileage is ****. Driving dynamics are ****. Brakes are **** because the car's too heavy for them. Terb0 is fun, but with the AWD and the power it's really just a mash throttle exercise. If you truly want a WRX...wait for the 2015 redesign.

You would legitimately be surprised what you can fit in a BRZ with the rear seats down and I came from a 2002 WRX wagon. You're limited by the width of the trunk opening, but as a DD it's still a very good car and for me...it's FUN which is important. AWD wasn't a factor for me, but it's still very drive-able in the snow from my experience (good snow tires were equipped). We didn't get much snow here, but I imagine once the snow accumulation gets high the BRZ ain't going nowhere.
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