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Old 05-04-2013, 05:56 PM   #26
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My '06 with a VF39, STi intercooler, catted downpipe, and STi catback ran about 300/350 on Maxwell's dyno. An earlier run with the identical setup and tune made 260/290 on a Mustang.

I'm sure it would have made a few more ponies with headers and bigger catback. Certainly the TQ would have increased. Headers and exhaust make a big difference. And don't forget the '06 has the injectors to handle the HP that is claimed by the OP.

I believe stock VF cars make around 240whp on this dyno.

Would be interested what this car runs in the 1/4, however.
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Old 05-04-2013, 06:06 PM   #27
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I understand its gonna be different on all dynos just didn't think so much. Thanks for all the replies learned a bit. I agree the real potential of the car is proven on the strip or track. I just wanted a ball park estimate what my car was making. Now I can plan my next upgrades
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Old 05-04-2013, 06:22 PM   #28
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yo man this is such bull man get out a heeee....
haha haters bro who cares about a number on a paper hows it drive? sick right? good enuff.
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Old 05-04-2013, 06:36 PM   #29
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I love the way it drives now. No doubt Dom did a great job.
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Old 05-04-2013, 07:39 PM   #30
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Stage 2 td04 I made 241/309 on this same dyno. Now I have vf52 with more bolt ons same dyno. I think stock was around 190hp and sti same year is around 230-240
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:17 PM   #31
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My car is making more power than most normally do with td04. Its not making what the dyno says, but when compared to others on same dyno it is getting higher than a lot of cars with same setup which was what we were surprised about.

I should of explained better. They said on same dyno I was getting what some Sti's were getting on the dyno.
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Old 05-04-2013, 10:25 PM   #32
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Sure you have a TD04?
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:17 PM   #33
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Sure you have a TD04?
if he does and it is making that power it should blow up next week so we will see theres no way it could be anywhere near efficient if it were making those numbers
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:59 PM   #34
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I have a 06 wrx tr. Turbo back big eBay top mount Cobb, turboxs up pipe that's it. 227 whp 315 wtrq 17psi. tuned by smokies dyno Akron Ohio. And on my graph you and see how the td04 is choking the motor. It peaks fast then drops off
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I don't necessarily doubt that the TD04 is capable of those numbers on a very generous dynojet or comperable - and Maxwell has a good reputation - but with the boost needed to reach that high up the torque spectrum the turbo is not going to last very long. If i recall correctly from the compressor map, the TD04 has a very brief period of efficiency at ~22psi, but some quick math says that on my car that would put me just over 300wtq on a mustang. For 375 wtq on a dynojet (that's calibrated properly) you would absolutely need upwards of 24 or 25psi. Am i wrong? I'm a huge champion of the TD04 but the math just doesn't work for these numbers.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:52 PM   #36
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i get it its prob a good tune its not ur fault its the people who setup the dyno (maxwell) its gay the pump up the dyno to make those numbers. cause people who put alot in there like me with a 2006 wrx tr with sti ic, cobb sf intake,cobb catless dp,cobb catback, mishimoto radiator, froge bpv, vf48 on efi's mustang making 284whp/334wtqit just pisses me off people claim they make more or just as much on a turbo that doesnt flow enough cfm's to make that power its just not physcially possible at all. but run a 1/4 and let me know how much u make like i said that is the true test no matter how much people say they make 1/4 times dont lie
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umm ur prob making 230 whp and maybe 300 wtq maybe cause look at some other tunes and dynos people pushing 20 psi r making 224 whp and 309 wtq so 3 less psi ur not making 50 more hp and almost 100 tq its just not possible sorry bro if tis a good tune good but ur not making that hp and tq not possible at all i undertsnd freak cars but ur td04 is making as much whp and wtq as my vf48 sti turbo at 19 psi just not possible, sorry for all the back and forth ive seen soo many people claiming numbers just not possible atleast ur kool aboout it cause most other people insist that they are making those numbers they got and theres no way
Eassyyyyyyy killer. A dyno is just a tuning tool. Each dyno is calibrated different and different correction's play a factor depending on altitude and air density. Dynocom's, dynapacks, and dynojets all read higher than a mustang dyno, generally speaking. It has to do with the different calibrations, software, and hardware.

That doesn't mean this car doesn't make some real power, it simply means dyno numbers should not be compared. Hell, even two different mustang dyno's shouldn't be compared simply because of the way they were calibrated. Again, they are just a tuning tool. Trap speed's and 1/4 mile times will actually speak the real "truth" in what the car makes for power.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:04 PM   #37
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Well said sexyrex. As I said before, these number are probably inflated a bit. But compared to other similar cars on same dyno it is making way more power. It is making same power as some sti's on same dyno. All they said was its a freak and the highest numbers they have seen a td04 put out on their dyno.

Either way I'm extreamly happy with the outcome
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Well said sexyrex. As I said before, these number are probably inflated a bit. But compared to other similar cars on same dyno it is making way more power. It is making same power as some sti's on same dyno. All they said was its a freak and the highest numbers they have seen a td04 put out on their dyno.

Either way I'm extreamly happy with the outcome
Only two things matter, that you're happy and that its a nice clean tune, and Dom did it, so I don't doubt it isn't.

What you CAN do though, is compare numbers with other setups on the same dyno. This will give you a benchmark. As someone else said, they made 300/350 on Maxwell's dyno with an STI. 274/370 isn't too shabby considering for a car that cost a less from the factory.

The higher peak torque number makes sense, smaller turbos spool faster giving a higher, however, much earlier peak torque number. This turbo is more likely to fall off more quickly than a larger turbo with less peak torque. Horsepower doesn't usually break things, its the torque that does. So be awfully careful with that transmission. I started a thread in the transmission thread a while back for the 06/07 WRX's with the lower final drive and poor casing design ending up in a shredded third gear. Now this doesn't go for everyone, as my 06 WRX had 25+ track passes at 350 ft/lbs of torque and countless launches. Just something to be aware of. Good luck!

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I started a thread in the transmission thread a while back for the 06/07 WRX's with the lower final drive and poor casing design ending up in a shredded third gear.
Yep. This is how I found out what a good job Maxwell also does at installing 6-speeds.
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:18 PM   #40
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This is a post that Dom made when someone else came into a dyno tune thread all pissed off about the numbers.

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I don't believe in Tuner WARZ and dyno wars. I don't trash talk other shops that perform reputable work for the sake of trying to score more business or ego stroking. RR, PIA, Surgeline are all good shops with good tuners on hand. My dyno reads higher than all those shops. When I purchased my dyno I had no way of knowing what it was going to read because there weren't very many shops with this kind of dyno that tuned Subarus. Regardless of what my dyno reads, it's a battle that nobody can win. When I tuned on Kito's Mustang dyno all I heard were complaints that the dyno read too low. Now with my own dyno it reads too high by some complaints.

What I have noticed is that it's not my customers that complain about my dyno readings (now that they're higher). It's people who have their car tuned somewhere else that complain about it. Which means it really boils down to ego issues between customers. For that reason I have not altered my dyno calibration from the factory settings. Anyone can come and read the calibration on the rollers and check it to my software.

A stock 2011 STi makes 245whp.
A stock 2010 STi makes 240whp.
A stock 2007 STi makes 235
Stock 04-06 STi's all made around 230-235.

Calculations will show that those numbers don't support 28 or 30% drivetrain loss like you read about. However, we also know that nobody knows the ACTUAL drivetrain loss. All the numbers were calculated off of early dyno runs on different dynos; it's all hearsay.

In the end, what matters is the customer's satisfaction. And for people in here to try and rain on the OP's parade because your graph has lower numbers is silly and immature. The ego issues that individuals have are taking away from the satisfaction of Mr. Lee's experience. His car drives smooth, pulls hard and runs very well.

That's what matters.

Work out ego issues on the track.

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When I tuned on Kito's Mustang dyno all I heard were complaints that the dyno read too low. Now with my own dyno it reads too high by some complaints.

Of which my tune is a perfect example. Kito's (260/290) were my Mustang numbers, Dom's (300/350) were my dynocom numbers. All else was identical.
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i get it its prob a good tune its not ur fault its the people who setup the dyno (maxwell) its gay the pump up the dyno to make those numbers. cause people who put alot in there like me with a 2006 wrx tr with sti ic, cobb sf intake,cobb catless dp,cobb catback, mishimoto radiator, froge bpv, vf48 on efi's mustang making 284whp/334wtqit just pisses me off people claim they make more or just as much on a turbo that doesnt flow enough cfm's to make that power its just not physcially possible at all. but run a 1/4 and let me know how much u make like i said that is the true test no matter how much people say they make 1/4 times dont lie
We do not "set the dyno up" its calibrated from the dyno factory. Those numbers are the numbers with no correction factor at all. There is no knob I can magically turn to make the numbers higher.

I drove this car. Ive driven lots of cars. This is one crazy fast td04 wrx. Thats all I can say man.
the other high hp td04 we did was my friends and it made about 15whp less and about 40 wtq less. and it had way more bolt ons. some cars are freaks and it also depends on what kind of gear oil your using to help with drivetrain loss. We have seen that make a differance.

Oh and no built block will net you extra HP.
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if he does and it is making that power it should blow up next week so we will see theres no way it could be anywhere near efficient if it were making those numbers
is a td04 ever efficient on a 2.5 avcs car lol
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Thanks for chiming in man. b
BTW it has not blown up yet lol. Running like a champ. Gives me a halfie everytime I drive it haha.
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ur saying that a td04 is making as much hp as a vf39,43,48 and 52 does and more torque i say bs. i saw ur dyno post i just dont believe it man u cant make this much hp from a tiny td04 there has to b something ur not saying or something cause the most td04 make is 250 maybe on a high readin dyno, also the torque no way ur making that much torque i wanna see maxwell confirm these numbers , even if they do comfirm the numbers the dyno is turned way up, i hate people posting bogus numbers. theres no way ur making that much whp and wtq id like to see ur 1/4 mile times that is where u tell how much power ur actually making. stop posting bs numbers cause is a td04 could make this power no one would upgrade to a vf turbo or a bigger turbo there would no need to
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If you want 'good' numbers, don't use EFI's dyno. People who number chase kill me. Go bring it to a dynojet if you want to swing your e-penis around.
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There numbers who cares? It's used as a Tool to dial in the way ur car runs. The numbers should mean nothing to u or anyone if u truely care about performance. Goto the track if u want have cold hard facts.
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What you CAN do though, is compare numbers with other setups on the same dyno. This will give you a benchmark.
To that point, here are my most recent MPS results

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Of which my tune is a perfect example. Kito's (260/290) were my Mustang numbers, Dom's (300/350) were my dynocom numbers. All else was identical.
I'd like to have a run at Kito's dyno, just to see if the disparity is the same.

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Thanks for chiming in man. b
BTW it has not blown up yet lol. Running like a champ. Gives me a halfie everytime I drive it haha.
My tune is still running strong as well. I cracked a piston, but I understand that's common.

I do think that MPS's dyno reads a bit high. Dom does as well. We can all agree that MPS is a very reputable shop, and it's not reading high on purpose; some read high, some read low. No two are the same.

I should have researched the 09-11 (at the time I bought my Forester XT) FXT's. I wouldn't have gotten one if I knew what a pain in the A** Subaru's transmission of choice would be.

I'm ready to take on the 1/4 mile in my FXT. I'd love to see what it pulls! CKBeep and I should go get comparison dyno runs and take a few stabs at the 1/4 mile!

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I have been wanting to make it to the strip this summer sometime. Let me know what you are thinking. BTW numbers look great.
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Old 08-19-2013, 08:34 PM   #50
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Why don't you guys stop fighting over inflated dyno numbers and take it to the track, if its really making that power and torque it should go 12.2 or faster...
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