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Old 05-20-2013, 03:19 PM   #1
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Default If you were to buy a Cold Air Intake, which brand would you go with?

Hey guys, I have a 2012 WRX Sedan and am ready to go Stage 1 (Cold Air Intake, Tune (AccessPort, etc.), and Exhaust). I haven't decided if I am going to get a cat back exhaust, cat back exhaust and down pipe, or just a down pipe. Anyways, I am going to start first with ordering a cold air intake. If you could choose an intake, which would you get? I have seen the perrin, cobb, K&N, etc. but don't know which is preferred. Keep in mind that this is my daily driver so I would prefer something that keeps noise and air filtration in mind...
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Old 05-20-2013, 03:23 PM   #2
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Go with Cobb. I say this because you're going to be running a stage 1+ OTS map that is designed to work specifically with the Cobb intake. Any other intake MAY lead to problems without getting a custom tune for it.
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Old 05-20-2013, 03:38 PM   #3
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cobb has maps with the aem as well
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Old 05-20-2013, 03:47 PM   #4
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I have read very good things about the Cobb....Ok, so say if I buy the Cobb intake right now and install it in a week or so once I receive it. Will a tune be needed at the time I install the intake? Or is it ok to run around with the Cobb Intake, Stock Tune, and Stock Exhaust for awhile?

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Old 05-20-2013, 03:53 PM   #5
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you need to retune for any intake due to maf reading becoming incorrect from different intake geometry.

if you don't have an easy tuning solution, consider NOT getting an intake. not worth the extra 5-10whp (probably 0-negative gains w/o tune).

edit: i should say "maf reading not being representative of airflow". maf will always read correctly
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Old 05-20-2013, 04:19 PM   #6
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you need to retune for any intake due to maf reading becoming incorrect from different intake geometry.

if you don't have an easy tuning solution, consider NOT getting an intake. not worth the extra 5-10whp (probably 0-negative gains w/o tune).

edit: i should say "maf reading not being representative of airflow". maf will always read correctly
Thank you for the input. Ok, say I go ahead and fork over the cash and order the Intake and Tune....Would I be ok with running around on this setup if I don't have an exhaust?
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Skip the intake if you're only getting a stage 1 tune. The stock box works fine, if not better. You can get a downpipe for just a little more and get better results than you would with an intake. I could possibly see getting both an intake and downpipe at the same time though, but not the intake alone.
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Old 05-20-2013, 04:29 PM   #8
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You'd be fine but you would need another tune when you get the exhaust. Just be patient and get all your parts together before you go and get tuned.
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Old 05-20-2013, 04:41 PM   #9
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You'd be fine but you would need another tune when you get the exhaust. Just be patient and get all your parts together before you go and get tuned.
If you're referring to a catback, then this statement is false.
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Skip the intake if you're only getting a stage 1 tune. The stock box works fine, if not better. You can get a downpipe for just a little more and get better results than you would with an intake. I could possibly see getting both an intake and downpipe at the same time though, but not the intake alone.
Mr. Wrex,

Thanks for the input. So you would recommend opting for getting a tune and a down-pipe, while keeping the stock air intake and exhaust (everything from the down-pipe back). I am guessing that Cobb (perhaps others) offer a tune that is suited for this setup (stock airbox and exhaust (everything from the down-pipe back) and aftermarket down-pipe)? Thanks everyone...I am thinking this could be a good reference for people who are looking to go with different set-ups.
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Old 05-20-2013, 04:56 PM   #11
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If you're referring to a catback, then this statement is false.
Well, I wasn't necessarily talking about catbacks, but it's also false to assume that a catback on a stage 1 tune is safe. I'm with you on skipping the intake altogether.
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I am guessing that Cobb (perhaps others) offer a tune that is suited for this setup (stock airbox and exhaust (everything from the down-pipe back) and aftermarket down-pipe)? Thanks everyone...I am thinking this could be a good reference for people who are looking to go with different set-ups.
What you're asking about is a standard stage 2 setup. Every tuner offers one and there are about 10,000,000 people currently running one on their car.
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What you're asking about is a standard stage 2 setup. Every tuner offers one and there are about 10,000,000 people currently running one on their car.
suicidal eggroll (great name by the way)..thanks for the info,

Surely the following is not considered stage 2:

-Stock Intake
-Stock Exhaust
-Aftermarket Tune
-Aftermarket Downpipe

That is the setup that Mr. Wrex is referring to (and what I am considering going to). I would think to be considered stage 2 I would at least have to have the following in addition to that noted above:

-Aftermarket air intake
-Aftermarket exhaust (meaning everything from the downpipe back)

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suicidal eggroll (great name by the way)..thanks for the info,

Surely the following is not considered stage 2:

-Stock Intake
-Stock Exhaust
-Aftermarket Tune
-Aftermarket Downpipe

That is the setup that Mr. Wrex is referring to (and what I am considering going to). I would think to be considered stage 2 I would at least have to have the following in addition to that noted above:

-Aftermarket air intake
-Aftermarket exhaust (meaning everything from the downpipe back)

Thanks guys!!!
That is exactly what a stage 2 tune is.
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No, suicidal is right. It's still a stage 2, as in the appropriate OTS map would be a stage 2. I'm against using OTS maps altogether though, so what you want to call it is purely academic.
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No, suicidal is right. It's still a stage 2, as in the appropriate OTS map would be a stage 2. I'm against using OTS maps altogether though, so what you want to call it is purely academic.
Hmmmm, well as they say, "you learn something new everyday".

Ok then, so I guess I am interested in going stage 2. What brand downpipe and tune are most commonly utilized? I am guessing I could not go wrong with Cobb. I have also had great customer service with some Perrin stuff I have bought recently. What do you guys think about Perrin stuff?
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OP, I'd drop by this shop: http://www.enginelogics.com/

Right in your backyard and you can get up to speed on bolt-ons and tuning. Not saying that I recommend them personally, as I haven't ever dealt with them, but they will be a better resource than we are since you can see things in person and spend time telling them what you're looking to do with your car.
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OP I would read Unabombers Manifesto (stickied in the Newbies section) and do some research. Everything you are asking has been covered 1 million times. If you have a question as to what "Stage XYZ" is, refer to the map tuning notes.
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Old 05-20-2013, 07:46 PM   #19
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Gots it...I am going to go with the Cobb AccessPORT right now (Stage 1 Tune) and look to get a down pipe in a month or so. Once I have the downpipe I'll put the stage 2 tune in it...Let me know if you guys have one you are wanting to get rid of...
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Check the classifieds. I'm sure there's plenty of them up for sale

As eggroll was saying, the typical "stage 2" is a downpipe and tune. You can get an intake and/or catback and it would still be considered "stage 2". Stages are loosely defined, so I wouldn't pay too much attention to the details. One thing to note is that catless downpipes are typically cheaper, but are more prone to creep issues.
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Old 05-20-2013, 08:48 PM   #21
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Check the classifieds. I'm sure there's plenty of them up for sale

As eggroll was saying, the typical "stage 2" is a downpipe and tune. You can get an intake and/or catback and it would still be considered "stage 2". Stages are loosely defined, so I wouldn't pay too much attention to the details. One thing to note is that catless downpipes are typically cheaper, but are more prone to creep issues.
Mr Wrex,

Thanks for the tip. I posted a WTB thread in the classifieds. I think I am going to go with a catted DP as I have heard of creep issues and cabin pollution....
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Had a Cobb w/ airbox first. Hate the fact they use an oiled filter (DUMB). Their "airbox" was a joke. IATs were awful at idle (~170F on a 80F day).

I ditched it and went back to stock for a month or so then got the AEM as I read they use a non oiled filter. Very happy with the AEM, its a true CAI, they include a partition that does a decent job keeping out engine bay heat and best of all they use a paper filter (no oiled up MAF).

Sound is about the same, the AEM is slightly quieter (which I love) and my IATs at idle in traffic don't go much over 130's

One more thing, when I had the Cobb/w air box I had a slight overboost issue. I didnt have it before I went with the Cobb and when I went back to stock it went away, with the AEM I still don't have it. There have been a few folks that had the same issue with the Cobb SRI.
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Had a Cobb w/ airbox first. Hate the fact they use an oiled filter (DUMB). Their "airbox" was a joke. IATs were awful at idle (~170F on a 80F day).

I ditched it and went back to stock for a month or so then got the AEM as I read they use a non oiled filter. Very happy with the AEM, its a true CAI, they include a partition that does a decent job keeping out engine bay heat and best of all they use a paper filter (no oiled up MAF).

Sound is about the same, the AEM is slightly quieter (which I love) and my IATs at idle in traffic don't go much over 130's

One more thing, when I had the Cobb/w air box I had a slight overboost issue. I didnt have it before I went with the Cobb and when I went back to stock it went away, with the AEM I still don't have it. There have been a few folks that had the same issue with the Cobb SRI.
Thanks for the info...do you have gauges to read your IAFs?
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why are you trying to modify your car?

i'll stand by my suggestion of going to see your local tuner. or, at least call cobb.

nobody knows if you're trying to put together a drag car, something that will rip up autox tracks, or just want to get your groceries a little quicker. anyone giving you advice without knowing the purpose is a fool. reason i'm taking a step back is you just went from wanting to get an intake to wanting stage 2 in just a few posts.
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CAI: Stock or AEM
SRI: Cobb SF with box [modify the box to add a front barrier to make it better]
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