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Old 06-04-2013, 08:40 PM   #101
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>| 2 weeks after I greased it, the noise came back >| it actually happened this morning all was good and merry last night. But I think your right the metal ball pivot joint that the clutch fork sits on is probably worn...of I had a car lift and tranny jack me and my ol man would replace it ourselves, the freaking dealer wants 650 to replace the TOB the labor is what kills.
Yeah it is one of those killer, mostly labor repairs. I hate those the most as I also do not have a lift or even many tools at the moment.
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Old 06-08-2013, 11:50 AM   #102
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I took my '09 WRX into the local dealer. They swear clicking noise is coming from the throw out bearing. I told them that it has the same symptoms as the firewall issue a lot of you are experiencing. They said not a chance and have also said my after market clutch & flywheel need replacing as well after only 30k miles. I am not a clutch rider, but maybe the guy I bought it from was. The crazy thing is that I have the OEM parts and told them to install that but they said they were worn out as well! At this point I'm not sure what to believe when the car only has 62k miles on it. I'll update as I learn more but I think I'm going to get a second opinion...
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Old 06-09-2013, 12:46 PM   #103
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I took my '09 WRX into the local dealer. They swear clicking noise is coming from the throw out bearing. I told them that it has the same symptoms as the firewall issue a lot of you are experiencing. They said not a chance and have also said my after market clutch & flywheel need replacing as well after only 30k miles. I am not a clutch rider, but maybe the guy I bought it from was. The crazy thing is that I have the OEM parts and told them to install that but they said they were worn out as well! At this point I'm not sure what to believe when the car only has 62k miles on it. I'll update as I learn more but I think I'm going to get a second opinion...
Take it to another dealer for sure to get a 2nd opinion
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:45 PM   #104
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I took my '09 WRX into the local dealer. They swear clicking noise is coming from the throw out bearing. I told them that it has the same symptoms as the firewall issue a lot of you are experiencing. They said not a chance and have also said my after market clutch & flywheel need replacing as well after only 30k miles. I am not a clutch rider, but maybe the guy I bought it from was. The crazy thing is that I have the OEM parts and told them to install that but they said they were worn out as well! At this point I'm not sure what to believe when the car only has 62k miles on it. I'll update as I learn more but I think I'm going to get a second opinion...
A second opinion sounds like a good idea but unless the clutch was "like new" I would not put a used clutch in my car. Considering the expense of replacing it. I would find a new one you would be happy with.
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Old 06-12-2013, 06:06 PM   #105
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I had a lot of popping in my clutch and took it in. The first thing they checked for 'without my asking' was to see if the firewall welds were busted.

They weren't, but what they did find was that the grease for the 'action spring?' and clutch switch was completely gone. They disconnected it, used some dry packing grease or something like that. They drove my 2012 STI and 2 other new STIs on the lot and all of them had a little pop when pushing the clutch pedal down.

I will say this though, whatever they greased made a HUGE difference! My clutch is super smooth and actually noticeably easier to push in. I have my normal service in about 900 miles and am going to ask them to check it again.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:30 AM   #106
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I don't know if my issue is related so you guys can let me know. I have a 2011 WRX. I have another thread in the Warranty forum about the crazy ordeal I've been dealing with in regards to what appears to be a CV Axle or diff issue. Obviously that's different and as of this moment, I believe it will be covered under warranty.

However, after telling me the car was fixed yesterday (it wasn't), I went to pick it up. When I started it and depressed the clutch, there was this muted shrieking/squeeling sound. Tech came out and told me it's the throw out bearing. The service advisor looked at my paperwork and saw that I have 38,700 miles, and said it was not covered under warranty.

I left only to come back 45 minutes later with the same original diff/axle issue but I started thinking about the throwout bearing problem. Would they have covered it if the car had 36,000 miles on it? If so, I find it a bit ridiculous that there isn't some sort of grace period, especially considering the problem most likely started before but I just didn't hear it until now, now that it's gotten worse. I'll have to check again but I don't recall the clutch actually moving around.

So is a throwout bearing related to all this or is that something different altogether? I noticed several of the posts on here refer to a bad throwout bearing at relatively low mileage.
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Old 06-13-2013, 12:56 PM   #107
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I got my car back from the dealership yesterday. Fixed the firewall and replaced the clutch, pp, tob, and flywheel. Its not even the same car, the clutch is so light and nice. The first day I got the car my leg was sore after the ride home. No more pop and squeak, life is good
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Old 06-13-2013, 05:27 PM   #108
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I got my car back from the dealership yesterday. Fixed the firewall and replaced the clutch, pp, tob, and flywheel. Its not even the same car, the clutch is so light and nice. The first day I got the car my leg was sore after the ride home. No more pop and squeak, life is good
How'd u get em to replace those under warrenty?u have an 09 wrx?
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Old 06-13-2013, 07:05 PM   #109
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I turned my 09 WRX in to have the throw out bearing replaced as well as the clutch & flywheel. The clutch is like butter now, but the click is still there. I think I'll try greasing the parts mentioned above as I now don't really think its the firewall any more. I also haven't heard the squealing when it's cold like I used to when I depress the clutch.
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Old 06-16-2013, 12:35 PM   #110
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How'd u get em to replace those under warrenty?u have an 09 wrx?
I bought the car "certified" with 48,000 miles, and got a class A warranty on it. At around 50k it started the pop+creak. I looked online to find a fix and saw this firewall issue on another forum. I checked for brake pedal movement when clutch wad depressed then pulled the cowl and confirmed the broken welds. I brought it to the dealer and complained about the clutch noise and they wanted to replace the clutch master cylinder ($345 not covered by warranty, and won't fix anything). I refused and confronted them with the firewall issue and the pictures of it, filed a warranty claim with SOA, filed a claim with that government thing (NHTSA?) posted here, and then the dealership offered to repair it for me as a good will repair, for the price of a throw out bearing and flywheel, plus the warranty deductible (which makes no sense since they are saying it's not a warranty repair). I really didn't feel like arguing with them about it anymore and just paid, about $540 all said and done. I am not happy about that out of pocket expense but I am happy with the car now, and might try to pursue the class action option to see if I can recoup that cost down the line.
Subaru knew they messed up. You can't sell a car as a "certified", like-new or whatever, with a clutch that stiff and out of spec. I never drove a new wrx and didn't know it wasn't supposed to be like that. I thought it was just a heavy duty clutch because thats how my friends stage 2 clutch felt.

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Old 06-16-2013, 02:35 PM   #111
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Was it sold as Subaru certified with the Gold Plus coverage or 'dealer certified' with the 'A' warranty?
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Old 06-16-2013, 06:01 PM   #112
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I bought my 08 from a guy that got it CPO and had purchased the gold plus warranty from Subaru, when my clutch started to pop every time it was touched I took it in. They pulled the Cowl and said it was the firewall. 3 days later got a call saying SOA approved of the fix and all i had to pay was the $100 deductible. Haven't taken the car in for the fix yet due to it taking a month according to Subaru but I seem to have gotten away without a tiny bit of hassle besides back to stocking my exhaust and sway bars. I have no idea how its gone fairly well so far.
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Old 06-16-2013, 10:06 PM   #113
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Was it sold as Subaru certified with the Gold Plus coverage or 'dealer certified' with the 'A' warranty?
It has the 'A' warranty, not the Gold warranty. I didn't know there were different levels of certified
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Old 06-19-2013, 07:07 PM   #114
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I think that Subaru Certified only has a Gold, not A?
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Old 06-23-2013, 12:58 AM   #115
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I'm starting to have TOB issues.. Now I'm dealing with dealership hell where they wont proactively fix the issue until some thing fails catastrophically. I had the same issue in my 09 legacy they ended up replacing almost everything in the transmission. Bottom line I'm starting to realize the 5mt is the worst transmission i have ever delt with. Poor design and SOA doesn't care to fix the issue. It's not just WRXs it's any Subaru with the 5mt..

There is an aftermarket tob kit to fix this issue, as well as brackets for fixing the flexing issue. But soa should step in and fix the issue. They are making people spend money to avoid warranty battles.. I'm seriously thinking of just dropping big money to fix the issue my self and i have 120k mile warranty and only 15k on my car..

Good luck with your case but SOA has some big lawyers, if anything i would like to see them just reimburse us for installing aftermarket parts to fix their shotty design..
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Old 11-14-2013, 02:30 PM   #116
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Has there been anything recent on this whole situation?
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:42 PM   #117
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Has there been anything recent on this whole situation?
Supposedly there is a TSB and subaru is fixing more of these either warranty or good will out of warranty.
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:55 PM   #118
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Hmm. I called SOA and they played stupid and said they've never heard if the issue.
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Old 11-15-2013, 02:12 AM   #119
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Hmm. I called SOA and they played stupid and said they've never heard if the issue.
Depends on who answers the phone I guess, the rep I talked to when I had my welds break said she had personally dealt with 3 of those cases before mine (that was back in March)
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I ended up have my shop just fix it and ate the cost. Not that there was an additional cost really because they were already doing a clutch job.
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Old 11-15-2013, 09:26 PM   #121
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I ended up have my shop just fix it and ate the cost. Not that there was an additional cost really because they were already doing a clutch job.
who much did they charge to take your dash out and weld the firewall?
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Old 11-16-2013, 01:21 AM   #122
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who much did they charge to take your dash out and weld the firewall?
They didn't have to take the dash out as far as I know. Clutch replacement(act hd), tranny service, and weld was $1200 total.
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They didn't have to take the dash out as far as I know. Clutch replacement(act hd), tranny service, and weld was $1200 total.
hmm that is weird, the pedal bracket is behind the dash, if you can call the shop and find out what was welded and where. If they didn't take the dash out then I suspect that u didn't have busted welds. But if u did have busted welds and they fixed it some easier way without pulling out the dash I would love to know and so would many others stricken with this problem. Paying a certified welder 100-150 bucks to reweld for you beats the 900 that the dealer is charging for those that don't get it warrantied.
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I'll ask them and let you know as soon as I can
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Old 11-17-2013, 08:45 PM   #125
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Hey guys, new to this forum, bought a 09 wrx wagon a few months back. It had a creaking clutch pedal, so I searched and searched and finally found a somewhat easy nut and bolt fix with out removing the dash. If you remove the wiper cowl and wiper transmission, you can see the spot welds that hold the pedal bracket to the firewall. Sure enough 3 of them were broken/cracking. I drilled them out one at a time, and used 5/16 bolts to secure the plate to the firewall. I used a thin wire to fish the bolts through the holes from the underside of the dash, and used locking washers/nuts on the wiper side to secure it. The creaking/popping noise is now gone, but the clutch still feels really stiff compared to my other impreza outback. My question is, has anyone tried replacing the slave/master cylinders to cure the stiffness, or is it caused by a stiff pressure plate? A few have said there pedal feels lighter after SOA replaced the clutch/pp/tob
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