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Old 01-14-2011, 05:43 PM   #26
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MSRP was 35 and some change. I got it for invoice. IMO the base STI is more than well equipped...heated seats/wipers/mirrors, bluetooth, iPod connectivity, HIDs, added homelink mirror to give me everything I wanted and needed in the car, luxury wise. Everything else was wasted money to me.
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Got mine for $34,700. 500 over invoice. I actually prefer the alcantara/leather seats to the all leather. Just a bit sportier and in character with the car itself. Moonroof? Navi? bahhh, not worth 2-3 grand. But hey, to each his own. Sounds to me like the WRX will be all the car you need. Congrats on the baby!
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Old 03-31-2012, 04:50 PM   #27
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Having had a 06 wrx a 2010 SE STi and a 2011 STi limited sedan and having driven a 2011 and 2012 wrx....

Buy the wrx.

My opinion may be different if I autocrossed but it would still be a "Baby on board" dd anyway.

So yeah...wrx

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Old 03-31-2012, 05:35 PM   #28
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Old 03-31-2012, 05:52 PM   #29
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Having had a 06 wrx a 2010 SE wrx and a 2011 wrx limited sedan and having driven a 2011 and 2012 wrx....

Buy the wrx.

My opinion may be different if I autocrossed but it would still be a "Baby on board" dd anyway.

So yeah...wrx
So do you:

a. Search for topics you like and decide to reply regardless of how old they are?

b. Pick a random number from 1-99 and then use that number to find a random page to respond to?

c. Just believe the OP still hasn't decided after 12 months?
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:03 PM   #30
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Choose all of the above. It's always all of the above.
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:36 PM   #31
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As if others are not having the same exact issues deciding between the two models right now right?....

Show me how this thread is irrelevant.

It's always better to bump an old thread versus starting a new one with the same info IMO. People gravitate to the thread with more hits anyway.

Also, this thread was prompted by Nasioc as relavent to other threads I posted in.
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:41 PM   #32
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2011 sti u idiots
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Old 04-02-2012, 02:14 PM   #33
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Doh, I wrote wrx when I meant STi in the vehicles we have had.

In regards to power, the current wrx actually felt exactly the same as the STi to me.

The daily driver thing is almost rediculious. Who buys one of these two models and does t drive them nearly every day? I think they both DD nicely. Unless your raping the turns you don't need an STi and even then.... Having owned two of them....my opinion is the STi still isnt worth the $10,000 extra.

My wife loves the STi because it was her dream car. Since we have had two of them nd she can see how little difference there is in performance, for the way she drives, she wishes she stopped at the wrx.
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Old 06-17-2013, 12:24 PM   #34
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Hey guys. I know this thread is really old, but I need to bump it up again. I'm having a similar debate. Other than materials, can someone outline the differences in the seats on these? I'm in between a WRX limited and an Sti limited. The seats look the same except the logo stiching, but any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 06-17-2013, 12:35 PM   #35
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Hey guys. I know this thread is really old, but I need to bump it up again. I'm having a similar debate. Other than materials, can someone outline the differences in the seats on these? I'm in between a WRX limited and an Sti limited. The seats look the same except the logo stiching, but any help would be greatly appreciated.

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My god not again.

The seats are exactly the same.
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Old 06-17-2013, 04:20 PM   #36
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The heaters are different iirc
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Old 06-17-2013, 05:46 PM   #37
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I would have to agree with a few people on here and say the STi's price is very justifiable due to the drievtrain, the extra power before modding and the overall ride and feel of the car vs the WRX. I had a WRx and a friend got the same year STi and I always used to say I can make mine faster or just as fast with mods (which I eventually was faster) but still my car never felt the same as the STi and would have spent over the price of the STi to get the drivetrain in it. So all in all if you have the money get the STi or youll always be kicking your self in ass and saying I should have got the Sti even if its not out loud youll always think it trust me. lol
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Old 06-17-2013, 09:46 PM   #38
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I would have to agree with a few people on here and say the STi's price is very justifiable due to the drievtrain, the extra power before modding and the overall ride and feel of the car vs the WRX. I had a WRx and a friend got the same year STi and I always used to say I can make mine faster or just as fast with mods (which I eventually was faster) but still my car never felt the same as the STi and would have spent over the price of the STi to get the drivetrain in it. So all in all if you have the money get the STi or youll always be kicking your self in ass and saying I should have got the Sti even if its not out loud youll always think it trust me. lol
Extra power before modding? They make identical whp.
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:44 PM   #39
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no, they might make identical peak whp, but the sti is gonna have more area under the curve...

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Old 06-17-2013, 10:58 PM   #40
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i swear, how many times do we have to keep beating the dog until someone does a search.
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Old 06-18-2013, 11:26 AM   #41
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no, they might make identical peak whp, but the sti is gonna have more area under the curve...
Nope. My god this thread is stupid.

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Old 06-18-2013, 11:28 AM   #42
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Extra power before modding? They make identical whp.
Identical whp on a dyno doesn't mean they put down the same power in all situations. Whp is only an acceleration hp, a DYNamic horsepower, measure by a DYNometer.

With a more-or-less identical top gear ratio, the STI will achieve a higher top speed than the WRX because top speed is a steady state power level, which a dyno will not show. The drivetrain loss observed on a dyno is almost non-existent in a steady-state scenario like top speed because energy is passing through the system, rather than being invested into the system.
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Identical whp on a dyno doesn't mean they put down the same power in all situations. Whp is only an acceleration hp, a DYNamic horsepower, measure by a DYNometer.

With a more-or-less identical top gear ratio, the STI will achieve a higher top speed than the WRX because top speed is a steady state power level, which a dyno will not show. The drivetrain loss observed on a dyno is almost non-existent in a steady-state scenario like top speed because energy is passing through the system, rather than being invested into the system.
You need to invest energy in the system to keep it spinning at a steady state. Friction.
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You need to invest energy in the system to keep it spinning at a steady state. Friction.
...which is not as significant as people think compared to the kinetic energy / angular momentum involved in accelerating the system.
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...which is not as significant as people think compared to the kinetic energy / angular momentum involved in accelerating the system.
Have you considered the significant increase in kinetic energy present in a car that weighs 200 pounds more when it's at top speed? I bet it doesn't have a higher top speed. Regardless, I'm not sure why top speed matters at all.
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Have you considered the significant increase in kinetic energy present in a car that weighs 200 pounds more when it's at top speed? I bet it doesn't have a higher top speed. Regardless, I'm not sure why top speed matters at all.
Sure, more kinetic energy is 'present' in the vehicle at any given speed, and more energy is required to bring that additional mass up to that speed, but once you're at speed, it's no longer a factor. It doesn't take more horsepower to maintain that speed just because something is heavier. That's Newton's first law.

It does have a higher top speed, (158mph vs 142mph). And it's not that top speed 'matters', it's that crank horsepower becomes increasingly important as speed increases.

Let's say you have a WRX has a LW flywheel, a CF driveshaft, a stripped out interior, etc.... you're lighter & you put down 330whp.

but your buddy has a stock drivetrain, stock weight, stage II STI, that puts down 330whp.

20-60, you'll beat him every time... sure.

Now you're both on the highway, or the straight of a track, after wind resistance, and with weight almost a non-issue, he's going to have an easier time adding those 20-30 mph onto 80mph than you are, because those huge drivetrain losses you see on a dyno really aren't coming into play anymore. He has that higher crank horsepower to overcome the wind resistance and accelerate that additional speed.

People tend to get obsessed with whp and dyno numbers, never understanding what they actually mean, when they apply, how they translate into driving, acceleration, top speed, etc. They are extremely misleading, especially when it comes to the rpm & boost relationship.

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Wasn't this thread revived regarding a seat question?
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Identical whp on a dyno doesn't mean they put down the same power in all situations. Whp is only an acceleration hp, a DYNamic horsepower, measure by a DYNometer.

With a more-or-less identical top gear ratio, the STI will achieve a higher top speed than the WRX because top speed is a steady state power level, which a dyno will not show. The drivetrain loss observed on a dyno is almost non-existent in a steady-state scenario like top speed because energy is passing through the system, rather than being invested into the system.
We aren't talking about top speed, which is not relate to the power the motor makes.

The power "under the curve" is extremely close. The bottom end is identical (save for piston profile, nitride treated crank), the turbos are identical in terms of size and flow.

The only advantages the sti would is in the top end flow which is where the piston and cam profiles make a larger pact.

Either way, power curves are still extremely close with identical overall power outputs.
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We aren't talking about top speed, which is not relate to the power the motor makes.
You're not even reading my posts, are you? I'm talking about crank horsepower vs whp when you're already traveling at a high rate of speed. Crank horsepower becomes much more significant than whp because of how they are measured and what they mean.

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The power "under the curve" is extremely close. The bottom end is identical (save for piston profile, nitride treated crank), the turbos are identical in terms of size and flow.

The only advantages the sti would is in the top end flow which is where the piston and cam profiles make a larger pact.

Either way, power curves are still extremely close with identical overall power outputs.
You're still completely missing the point that equal whp, even in equal weight cars, does not actually translate into equal performance in all scenarios, due to the nature of drivetrain 'loss' and how it varies in a dynamic vs steady state scenario. That 'equal' whp on a dyno is only 'equal' when the drivetrain losses are actually relevant, like a dyno a pull. They aren't as relevant when you're on the highway doing 70mph already, in which case you get walked all over by something with more crank horsepower at its disposal.

just because the power under the curve matches doesn't mean the cars will actually accelerate the same at a give speed & rpm.

And boost builds quicker on a dyno anyway, so that completely throws off the torque curve vs what you'll find on the street.

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