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Old 06-18-2013, 10:59 AM   #126
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Well, not sure that is all completely true guys.

My neighbor has had nothing but VW's for the past 7 years, and she and her husband love them. They have had nothing go wrong with the last pair of cars they bought. They did say that the older ones were worse, and as the years have gone by, the cars have improved dramatically. Those words helped me make my purchase.

I am under no illusion that the VW reliability is as good as Subaru's, but I think the horror stories are about as rampant as the glass WRX transmissions.
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Old 06-18-2013, 11:12 AM   #127
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Well, not sure that is all completely true guys.

My neighbor has had nothing but VW's for the past 7 years, and she and her husband love them. They have had nothing go wrong with the last pair of cars they bought. They did say that the older ones were worse, and as the years have gone by, the cars have improved dramatically. Those words helped me make my purchase.

I am under no illusion that the VW reliability is as good as Subaru's, but I think the horror stories are about as rampant as the glass WRX transmissions.
4 in the immediate family since 07, 3 of those new, 1 was used,

1 has had a handful of minor issues

1 has had a major transmission repair and several minor issues

1 has been flawless

the used one at this point will probably be sold for parts because even if i find a deal on what it needs to be running again its staring down the barrel of another expensive fix.


That said i love their hatches and wagons, and the tdis. But i still wouldn't reccomend them to most people.

The gf wanted a tdi golf a couple years ago, i was pushing for her to get a hyundai, she didn't listen. Thats the one thats seen the major transmission repair.
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Old 06-18-2013, 12:27 PM   #128
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Well, not sure that is all completely true guys.

My neighbor has had nothing but VW's for the past 7 years, and she and her husband love them. They have had nothing go wrong with the last pair of cars they bought.
That does not seem surprising. To have nothing but VWs for 7 whole years implies they go through cars pretty fast. If they're only keeping them for a couple years at a time before trading up, they should hardly ever have a problem.
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Old 06-18-2013, 12:38 PM   #129
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yeah, they seem to recycle cars every 2-3 years. Much like myself!
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Old 06-18-2013, 12:51 PM   #130
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yeah, they seem to recycle cars every 2-3 years. Much like myself!
It's a disease .

/got it
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Old 06-18-2013, 12:55 PM   #131
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It's a disease .

/got it
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16 cars in 20 years........and counting.......and currently driving my 2nd VW.
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Old 06-18-2013, 02:05 PM   #132
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So its contageous as well.

Life is too short to stay with one car for that long. I can be happy with one wife for life, one house for life, one job for life, but asking me to keep one new car for more than 4 years.. man, now you are asking too much.



Just to take a few words to defend myself. I have owned my Datsun longer than any car I have ever had, 5 years and counting.
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Old 06-18-2013, 05:22 PM   #133
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I actually kept my '06 STI for 6 whole years. Far longer than any other car of mine, and much longer than I'd have guessed, but I really loved it. But only after I put in Recaros, RB320 struts/springs, etc. In stock form it wouldn't have lasted two years in my garage. My '13 WRX lasted 9 months.
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Old 06-18-2013, 05:37 PM   #134
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16 cars in 20 years........and counting.......and currently driving my 2nd VW.
Ha ha! Rookie! I've had 13 Subarus ALONE in 19 years! Had just about every make thrown in there as well. Oh the lengths this thread goes to to deliver...dead China babies and car ownership. There should be a support group.
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:37 AM   #135
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I'm hoping that the reliability of this car is decent, because if it is I'll see about getting one 2nd model year.
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Old 06-21-2013, 11:41 AM   #136
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How much did you pay for your Golf R? I just can not see paying $34xxx.xx for that car. Just doesn't make sense. No doubt it is a good car but that price is pretty steep consider what you are driving off the lot.
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Old 06-21-2013, 07:07 PM   #137
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How much did you pay for your Golf R? I just can not see paying $34xxx.xx for that car. Just doesn't make sense. No doubt it is a good car but that price is pretty steep consider what you are driving off the lot.
Price is steep, but don't put it as a $35k Golf. Think of as paying good money for a great car.

Don't let badge image keep you away from a great car.
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:37 PM   #138
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How much did you pay for your Golf R? I just can not see paying $34xxx.xx for that car. Just doesn't make sense. No doubt it is a good car but that price is pretty steep consider what you are driving off the lot.
I think a $34k price tag is fair for the golf R. Looking at it from a spec sheet you might pass, but once you drive the vehicle your opinion might change rather quickly. Before purchasing my MKVI gti, I never thought that I would own one. Went with a friend to test drive one and I was impressed by it. Next week I went down to test drive it and absolutely love it. I got to drive the R, although I was not able to get on it and was very impressed. Just the overall feel of the car is amazing.

Just remember, there are people paying almost $40k for an sti or evo....
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Chris Lee,

Tell you what you do. Go option an STI hatch the same way you can a Golf R and get back to me on price.

Oh keep in mind that you cannot get a sunroof or the dozen or so other things that the VW gives you that is not even available in the hatch Subie. The subie hatch is more than 38000 and still falls short of the features of the VW.

If you choose the sedan so you can get the sunroof you will top 40k.

THe next argument you may make (as I did) is what am I getting for so much more money. THe answer is you are getting a plain uninspired cheap interior (not non functional, but uninspired), a ****ty stereo, the most basic levels of tech features, very bad mpg, and a worse ride than the R. etc.

What you are getting is a reliable and powerful drivetrain. Which is good!! But is it so much better than what is in the R to warrant more money considering what you do not get?

In MY case the answer was no. Your case may differ. You may spend 50% of your time on a track doing HPDE's. I do not, I spend maybe 2 days a year. Hardly warrants the sacrifices for the other 363 days.

The price of the R is appropriate where it is. A fully optioned GTI is north of 31k. So throw in a better turbo, forged internals, AWD, bigger brakes, etc or a few grand. Sounds like a good deal to me.
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I agree with the last three comments....it's really more than just a Golf and while I haven't owned a GR STI to compare it to, I think that when it comes to having to having DD car, it's better in that respect than my GD STI.
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It has to do a lot with image. For $35k you can buy a BMW 3 series, especially if image is what buyer is looking for.


For $35k, the Golf R is the top of the line, most exclusive limited production, most sporty, fully equipped version of an economy car.

Or

For $35k, you can get the most economy version of the BMW 320xi, with barely any features. I've seen a "starting price" 328i, the interior was crap!

Or

For $35k you can get a Mustang GT or Camaro SS with decent options, but nothing special, unless adding more options.

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Is the R best compared to a WRX or STI? Does it have the comparable parts that make the STI better than the WRX? Massive brakes, fancy diffs, beefier trans? Because if it doesn't it certainly starts to look pricey.

The STIs shortcomings are no worse in the WRX (interior, fit and finish, tech bits...).
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Chris Lee,

Tell you what you do. Go option an STI hatch the same way you can a Golf R and get back to me on price.

Oh keep in mind that you cannot get a sunroof or the dozen or so other things that the VW gives you that is not even available in the hatch Subie. The subie hatch is more than 38000 and still falls short of the features of the VW.

If you choose the sedan so you can get the sunroof you will top 40k.

THe next argument you may make (as I did) is what am I getting for so much more money. THe answer is you are getting a plain uninspired cheap interior (not non functional, but uninspired), a ****ty stereo, the most basic levels of tech features, very bad mpg, and a worse ride than the R. etc.

What you are getting is a reliable and powerful drivetrain. Which is good!! But is it so much better than what is in the R to warrant more money considering what you do not get?

In MY case the answer was no. Your case may differ. You may spend 50% of your time on a track doing HPDE's. I do not, I spend maybe 2 days a year. Hardly warrants the sacrifices for the other 363 days.

The price of the R is appropriate where it is. A fully optioned GTI is north of 31k. So throw in a better turbo, forged internals, AWD, bigger brakes, etc or a few grand. Sounds like a good deal to me.

This is VWOA's thinking as well. They need not win the power war, just make up for it in content. It's still a fast car and tunable to the highest degree. It also comes with more in-seat pride.

In all honestly, though, there really should be no debate about these cars. I always say this, WE HAVE A CHOICE TO BUY THEM. As someone who started driving in the early 90's, there were very few affordable performance cars to choose from. It's endless now. You could very well lease a different demon of a street car every year for the next ten years and not be let down for smiles. Consider us damn damn lucky! Not every car is going to check all the boxes for under $40K (or over for that matter), but the stiff competition is rapidly filling those boxes. Excited for the next STI and .:R!!!
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Is the R best compared to a WRX or STI? Does it have the comparable parts that make the STI better than the WRX? Massive brakes, fancy diffs, beefier trans? Because if it doesn't it certainly starts to look pricey.

The STIs shortcomings are no worse in the WRX (interior, fit and finish, tech bits...).
The R is WRX performance, but with Luxury in the Audi level. I don't think it competes directly with WRX nor STi as people would with STi and EVOs.

It's a premium car.

The JCW Cooper S cost just as much, but with lower quality and features.

The R is a great deal.
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The R is WRX performance, but with Luxury in the Audi level. I don't think it competes directly with WRX nor STi as people would with STi and EVOs.

It's a premium car.

The JCW Cooper S cost just as much, but with lower quality and features.

The R is a great deal.
Agreed that an R is far better materials and features than an STI/WRX, but the points made above were suggesting the R is a good value because it compares well against the STI, instead of the WRX.

JCW is $31k to start, not sure if I'd say it is lower quality but doesn't have all the same features. I suppose STI, JCW and R are all significantly more expensive than their slightly inferior counterparts (WRX, MCS and GTI). Personally I usually go with the better bang for buck versions.
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the R does compare well against the STI. In almost all metrics it is a superior car. It comes up a bit short dynamically compared to the STI, but having driven both.. driven on the street, what it gives up is barely noticeable on public roads. On the track the R will do just fine, but I have to admit, it will start showing its more daily driving focus when compared to the STI when pushed to 9/10ths and 10/10ths.

It is nice to know that if needed you have that 9/10th and 10/10th performance in your pocket if you need it, but for 99% of the driving you do daily, the R will put a big fat smile on your face.
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I think a Limited WRX is the real competitor to the Golf R. Both are packed with features and comforts, but also packs enough performance to also be comfortable on the road.

The STi is/should be more focused. The next STi should go back to what it was, pack more performance oriented parts and leave out the feature and comforts for the WRX.

I don't see the point of all those feature options for a car like the STi. Instead have options for Recaro seats, diffs, intercooler spray, etc..

Step the WRX up to the rally car for the road the way it should grow, while the STi as the out-of-the-box rally car.

It would be cool a Golf R Cup version comes out

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Old 06-23-2013, 10:58 PM   #148
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the R does compare well against the STI. In almost all metrics it is a superior car.
Again, why are you comparing it to the more expensive STI instead of the WRX? It might still be "superior" to the WRX but certainly not the financial deal you are arguing.
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Where are you guys getting the 40k price for the Sti limited? With VIP pricing I was able to get mine with nav for about 36k. That's not a smoking deal or anything but I've never heard of anyone paying 40k for an Sti.

I have seen folks pay over 40k for a fully loaded evo MR though, including a few folks at my work.
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Old 06-24-2013, 12:20 AM   #150
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Because not everyone has "VIP pricing." MSRP on an optioned-out STi Limited is around $40k before TTT.
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