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Old 06-24-2013, 05:15 PM   #1
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I'm reaching out to see if anyone has had any issues running a Muffler Delete setup in New England, specifically Boston.

I am thinking about getting a Nameless Axleback Muffler delete system on my 2013 DGM Hatch down here in Northern VA and plan on moving to Boston in about a year. Obviously sound can be controlled, but wanted to make sure there aren't any sound level checks as a part of inspections or emissions tests in MA
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Old 06-24-2013, 05:46 PM   #2
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it's up to the inspector, but in most cases you'll get failed because that muffler is just being obnoxious
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Old 06-24-2013, 05:53 PM   #3
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Only harley's get away with being that loud around here.
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Old 06-24-2013, 06:20 PM   #4
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I have nameless deletes. As long as you're not an jerk you'll be ok. I've been fine
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Old 06-24-2013, 07:23 PM   #5
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I have nameless deletes. As long as you're not an jerk you'll be ok. I've been fine
So would you go so far as to say that he could go to any inspection station and be nice and respectful and cheerful, he'll pass for sure......and you'll give him $100 if he doesn't?


I wouldn't.


In Mass, technically if you change anything in the exhaust to make it louder than OEM, you fail.
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Old 06-24-2013, 08:30 PM   #6
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Old 06-24-2013, 08:56 PM   #7
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In Mass, technically if you change anything in the exhaust to make it louder than OEM, you fail.
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You may pass otherwise, but don't outright expect to.
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Old 06-24-2013, 09:41 PM   #8
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So would you go so far as to say that he could go to any inspection station and be nice and respectful and cheerful, he'll pass for sure......and you'll give him $100 if he doesn't?


I wouldn't.


In Mass, technically if you change anything in the exhaust to make it louder than OEM, you fail.
I passed 2 inspections with the nameless axleback on my previous 2009 sedan.
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Old 06-24-2013, 11:06 PM   #9
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In Mass, technically if you change anything in the exhaust to make it louder than OEM, you fail.
So with the fact that I would fail with any aftermarket, does anyone run an exhaust in MA?

I mean if I have to, i'd go down to the 4" muffler if it means its not brutally loud
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Old 06-25-2013, 07:18 AM   #10
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So with the fact that I would fail with any aftermarket, does anyone run an exhaust in MA?

I mean if I have to, i'd go down to the 4" muffler if it means its not brutally loud
Yes, lots of people do. But the inspection process involves going to a place where you know they won't scrutinize the exhaust. Pulling into any random inspection station won't do that. I've used the same station for 20 years. Just down the street, I had used another station before that and they started looking over the car and came to me and said "there's no way we're passing this. Before we officially start the inspection, here's the 8 things you need to do". When you get here, ask around (in person....not on the forums....we have 12 local meets every week!).
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Old 06-25-2013, 07:19 AM   #11
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I've had some pretty loud cars in MA and never had trouble with inspection. I know a moderator on here with an Elise that has a loud ass exhaust on it, got that through inspection just fine.
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:37 AM   #12
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I've had the Nameless Axle-back for awhile now, and absolutely no trouble with inspection, police, neighbors, or anything honestly. I've actually had multiple compliments FROM people inspecting the car asking if the car was a lot of fun and it looks and sounds great.

MY rule of thumb is (depending where you live) if you don't drive like a dick, then you'll be fine, but then again, like I said, I live in a pretty quiet/small town so not too many people with loud cars.
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Old 06-25-2013, 09:36 AM   #13
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So with the fact that I would fail with any aftermarket, does anyone run an exhaust in MA?

I mean if I have to, i'd go down to the 4" muffler if it means its not brutally loud
You're missing the point. You may or may not fail. Lots of people, tons of people run exhausts in MA. They do so, technically, illegally.

Are you going to fail at inspection? Depends if the inspector got laid that morning and doesn't care. There's no decibel meter that I've ever seen, but you can usually tell an aftermarket exhaust and he/she has every right to fail you for that.

Are you going to get pulled over every time you go out for a drive? Most likely not. Don't drive like a dick at WOT all the time, and you should be fine. It's still illegal, so if it does happen, don't cry about it.

What a lot of people will do is put the stock axleback on for inspections and then swap it out. It's really easy to do and all but guarantees that you'll pass inspection.

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No person shall operate a motor vehicle on any way which motor vehicle is equipped (1) with a muffler from which the baffle plates, screens or other original internal parts have been removed and not replaced; or (2) with an exhaust system which has been modified in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the exhaust.
And to others saying that you've run an exhaust for years with no problems and passed inspections with no problems... Congrats! Doesn't mean you'll pass the next time, and unless the OP goes to the same inspection station as you with the same exhaust on the same day, it really doesn't mean squat.

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Old 06-25-2013, 09:51 AM   #14
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And to others saying that you've run an exhaust for years with no problems and passed inspections with no problems... Congrats! Doesn't mean you'll pass the next time, and unless the OP goes to the same inspection station as you with the same exhaust on the same day, it really doesn't mean squat.
He asked about sound level checks and emissions passing/failing and whether people have had issues. He got an answer that many people have run the axle-back, so yes, it does mean more than squat considering he didn't ask about the law, but only if people have had issues. Now, if he's asking about whether it's legal to mod your exhaust at all, that's a different story.
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Old 06-25-2013, 10:09 AM   #15
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I passed 2 inspections with the nameless axleback on my previous 2009 sedan.
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He asked about sound level checks and emissions passing/failing and whether people have had issues. He got an answer that many people have run the axle-back, so yes, it does mean more than squat considering he didn't ask about the law, but only if people have had issues. Now, if he's asking about whether it's legal to mod your exhaust at all, that's a different story.
If I ask if there are sound level checks, and you say that you run an exhaust, that doesn't answer the question. It means you passed inspection. May you know the inspector? Maybe it's a friend of the family. Point is, just because you passed doesn't mean everyone else will, even with the same set-up. Other people in the post provided good, real information.
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Old 06-25-2013, 10:37 AM   #16
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it's definitely the inspection process that's the tricky part in MA. The police officers, not as much. They're not enforcing stuff like that on a regular basis, unless you've done something else to piss them off first. Tint is the same thing. I've got crazy dark tint. Cops have given me a second look a few times, but never been pulled over. My inspection station doesn't seem to care, so I keep going back to them.


Another thing, that maybe some others who have lived here longer than I have can comment on, I heard that your inspection results are tied to your registration now that everything is electronic. If you fail an inspection because of an exhaust once, that's "permanently" on your registration record. A cop pulls you over, noticing that your exhaust is obnoxious, and he sees you failed for exhaust, then passed because you threw the stock exhaust on for a day, he's certain to give you a ticket for loud exhaust. Unless someone else can confirm this, take it worth a grain of salt though, I've only lived here 2 years and this is hearsay from a co-worker who said it happened to him on his motorcycle with flushmount signals.

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Old 06-25-2013, 11:12 AM   #17
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I've had some pretty loud cars in MA and never had trouble with inspection. I know a moderator on here with an Elise that has a loud ass exhaust on it, got that through inspection just fine.
The point is that if you go to the inspection station and all the inspectors come to see the car and ask if they can get pictures of the car and offer you zip ties because your front plate is in your trunk, you will probably do fine.

If you have a mundane economy 4 door car that the inspectors see 80 times a day, you are getting nothing overlooked.

Snowphun is right.......said moderator's Elise is louder than any Subaru that doesn't have anti-lag. I know a guy with 2 Lamborghinis who also has no problem and is louder than me. I guess the test is.....can you drive for 30 minutes without your car showing up on youtube? If you can, you will fail.
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Old 06-25-2013, 07:34 PM   #18
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Okay couldn't you just put your muffler back on when you get it inspected? lol
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:19 AM   #19
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Okay couldn't you just put your muffler back on when you get it inspected? lol
Technically, yes, and that would allow you to pass inspection barring anything else wrong, however....

The fix it tickets of yesterday are actual tickets now. A few years ago, MA state decided a loud exhaust was a safety issue, which is why you get the red, don't drive this at all and have it fixed immediately R, instead of the black, you have 30 (60?) days to fix this R.

Cops can pull you over for it, and cite you for it. Sucks, but it happens. And if you pull the, " but I bought it like this, and the guy at the garage said it would be ok" card, then the inspection station gets those new fancy camera systems installed, and slapped with a big fine.
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Old 06-27-2013, 05:34 PM   #20
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So the moral of this story is--If you want to drive with an exhaust, run them with some kind of muffler, switch in your stock exhaust to avoid any problems with inspectors, and don't drive like an idiot in towns
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Old 06-28-2013, 08:01 AM   #21
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Not sure that's the moral of the story..

The moral of the story was run one at your own risk, every place is different every time you get it inspected. If you don't want the hassle, keep it stock or switch out to the stock unit if you're that worried when you get inspected.

Like I said before, I've run the NP Axle-back for a year or two now with no problems. I don't switch out the unit during inspection either, but some shops may not let it pass. Will it be the same for you? No idea, but if you're that worried, swap the stockers on before inspection.
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Old 06-28-2013, 09:15 AM   #22
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Like Rabbitnutz says.......

Yah, people do run louder than stock, obviously not stock exhausts. BUT, with recent changes in Mass laws, if you DO happen to get a ticket for it, it is now a moving violation and you get points and pretty significant insurance bumps. So even if you get the car inspected without an issue, that does not mean that you are forever ok.

Mass is probably one of the most restrictive states there is for modified car laws. California is the only one I can think of that is worse. I sold my FFR Cobra because Mass is the ONLY state that enforces an EPA requirement that ALL kit cars have to have the engine (no head change, all pollution stuff), tranny (no gear change) and rear end (no gear change) from one vehicle. All pollution stickers must be in place, the charcoal canister must be new and all glass must have DOT markings. No grandfathering, no getting around it. So in essence, all those 29 roadsters running around with a Ford 9" rear and Chevy small block are all likely to be grounded. They've seemed to only pick on Cobras for some reason, but technically any constructed car is subject to this rule. Oh.....and the largest kit car mfg in the country is Factory Five.....in Wareham, MA.
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