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Old 06-24-2013, 10:30 PM   #1
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Default Carnuba vs Collinite 845. Very specific question

I'm having a lot of problems with the dust and contaminants in Arizona. I am happy with the durability, longevity, shine, and ease of application of Collinite 845. But some paint guy here says what I definitely want to help protect against contaminants and make cleaning easier is carnuba, no ifs, ands, or buts.

Is it true that carnuba is unrivaled for protection and ease of cleaning stuff off?
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Old 06-24-2013, 11:30 PM   #2
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I'm having a lot of problems with the dust and contaminants in Arizona. I am happy with the durability, longevity, shine, and ease of application of Collinite 845. But some paint guy here says what I definitely want to help protect against contaminants and make cleaning easier is carnuba, no ifs, ands, or buts.

Is it true that carnuba is unrivaled for protection and ease of cleaning stuff off?
.....opinions vary on the subject. However, I've never put much value in recommendations from people who are not flexible in their opinion. If I've learned anything over the years its that many things in detailing (tools/techniques/products) are a YMMV sort of thing. ......not everyone shares the same opinion or experiences.

IMO/IME, I experienced some of the best contaminant shedding ability and protection from sealants like FinishKare 1000P.
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Old 06-24-2013, 11:44 PM   #3
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Carnauba should not be your go to for protection. It only lasts 6-8 weeks under IDEAL conditions, which really means it will only last 3-6 weeks.

What it does better than anything is offer depth to your paint and of course some added protection.

If you want protection, you need to shoot for a synthetic sealant. You apply this to your completely clayed and striped clear coat for perfect bonding and the sealant will act as a shield.

However there is no such thing is as something that will completely eliminate dust, bird droppings, water spots, etc etc from sticking to your paint (although some of these contaminants will have a harder time sticking because of the sealant)....with that said a sealant will make washing your car exponentially easier than that of a car with out it.

Carnauba wax is super easy to use and can easily be layered and I love the depth some of them add. I will always reach for a sealant first, let it cure and then layer it with a wax.

(Sorry for any run on sentences that may have happened, but I'm doing this on my phone without proof reading)
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Old 06-25-2013, 12:42 AM   #4
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However there is no such thing is as something that will completely eliminate dust, bird droppings, water spots, etc etc from sticking to your paint (although some of these contaminants will have a harder time sticking because of the sealant)....with that said a sealant will make washing your car exponentially easier than that of a car with out it.
This is where I was going with his question. I wash my car weekly in addition to OCW at least once a month and Chemical Guys P40 every week, on top on my Collinite 845. But after this past week I thought I might have missed something because nothing should have given me the trouble I described in my previous thread.
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Old 06-25-2013, 07:53 AM   #5
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I just saw your thread and it's hard to tell what the issue was there with out seeing it in person. Even pictures are sometimes not helpful. However, glad you resolved it.

Remember that with the products you used the wax is probably non existent in those spots, so make sure to reapply.

Stuff sticks no matter what, but sealants and waxes make it easier for them to come off most of the time with something simple like a waterless wash.
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Old 06-25-2013, 10:06 AM   #6
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OP: for whatever it's worth, I drive a wrb wrx. Maine, mid coast. Sits outside, sun half the day. Lives on drit road/so dust is omnipresent.
Despite 2 layers of 845 and Nxt applied, i will typically see water/dew spots and tar spots on lower body parts within a week. That's just the nature of where I live/contamination potential. Sure the protection coats I have help in getting rid of those contaminants with a waterless wash, but merely 75% go away... without going with a more aggressive abrasive (clay for ex), tar and some of the water spots just don't go away when i wash it...

So yes, sealant to me, IME, is my go to "first" last step treatment, then carnuba after... if at all... it seems to me that sealant by definition ought to be more 'protective' than carnuba
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I just saw your thread and it's hard to tell what the issue was there with out seeing it in person. Even pictures are sometimes not helpful. However, glad you resolved it
Found out it was from some exterior paint they were using on a building by our parking lot. Shows up white on my windows, I have to be careful since it may have some cement or other foreign material mixed in it
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Old 06-28-2013, 02:47 PM   #8
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yea industrial paint wreeks havoc on cars. i spent 3 days working on a corola last year because the sea port they parked at for a cruize decided to paint their docks and not account for wind or overspray. but back to you problem... i know the stuff is expensive but have you ever heard of, or tried opticoat? i just got some a month or so ago and i was able to coat 3 cars with the one bottle. from everything i have read or seen it can last for up to 2 years. i would give that stuff a try if you are still having problems with contamination on your paint.
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Old 06-29-2013, 10:17 AM   #9
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I think this thread is kind of funny, collinite 845 has "rare Brazilian carnauba" in it to begin with.

Look at number 2
http://www.collinite.com/about-us/faqs/

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Old 06-29-2013, 06:00 PM   #10
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i know the stuff is expensive but have you ever heard of, or tried opticoat? i just got some a month or so ago and i was able to coat 3 cars with the one bottle. from everything i have read or seen it can last for up to 2 years. i would give that stuff a try if you are still having problems with contamination on your paint.
Opti-Coat is permanent. Unless you abrade the product off of the finish (i.e. polish/compound, wet sand, etc.) it should remain. It is essentially like an additional, very thin layer of coat clear.

Having said that, it is not impervious to scratches so correction is likely inevitable at some point and reapplication if enough of the product is removed during the process. What I like about it is that you can use heavier concentrates of soaps, b&t removers, decon products, etc. without fear of removal.

There was a long term test a fellow Autopia.org member performed over the course of 2 years (probably more now) using a combination of Dawn dish soap for his regular wash and touch less car washes (which are known for using harsh chemicals /cleaners in their wash). The product is still performing well.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:04 PM   #11
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It sounds to me that a sealant would be more what you're looking for
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Old 07-07-2013, 12:35 AM   #12
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Carnauba isn't intended for superior protection. Its strong point is its appearance. It only lasts about a week.

Collinite 845 is known for it's durability and appearance. I'd stick with it and layer a couple coats if you want more protection.
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Old 07-15-2013, 01:32 AM   #13
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Collinite 845 is known for it's durability and appearance. I'd stick with it and layer a couple coats if you want more protection.
Yeah, The first coat I put it on, let is set up then wipe it off. For my second & third layer I just wipe on, wipe off only letting it sit for about 2 minutes as I apply to the next panel. Then OCW every other week. For as often as many of us fuss with our cars there's probably no wrong way, as we're recoating them again way before the wax reaches it's half-life.
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