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Old 06-24-2013, 09:43 AM   #26
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Looks even worse with the headlight covers down.
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:15 AM   #27
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It still looks too much like a Camaro. That's fine for Firebird, but a GTO should look different.
actually, I think it works better here than for that hideous Frankenbird.
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:17 AM   #28
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No, he won't.
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Old 06-24-2013, 02:45 PM   #29
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I can promise you, that muscle cars are NOT lame. Having just taken a 2013 Boss 302 for a spin...There is NOTHING lame about them. When packaged right, they can be amazing. What you are not liking is the refusal to ditch the played out retro thing. I concur with that. The Camaro/Challenger/mustang can live on but they need to keep evolving. The throw back styling is just lame.
The pig in this thread is not the same thing as the Boss 302. I have to agree that most of these gigantic retro muscle boats are ridiculous and appeal to primarily boomers. The Boss 302 is well done but Ford makes a pile of varieties that are less acceptable and more on the piggish side. I had a lime green Z28 with black racing stripes last week on a work trip, talk about some serious hee-haw factor. They should have given me a six pack of 'murican tall boys (bedwetters) to go with it at the rental counter.
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:51 AM   #30
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Muscle cars are lame. The only people that care about them are baby boomers.

Gm needs some hot hatches. Bring over the Opel/vauxhall Corsa Opc for a start...


I agree GM needs a Hot hatch in the U.S. The Cobalt wasn't too bad but I agree with you on bringing the Euros over here. Muscle cars can be cool but for some reason I'm not crazy about the Camaro and the new body Charger is ugly, IMO, from the '06-'10's. The Mustang is pretty sweet for what you get and the Boss is a great all around performer.
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Old 06-29-2013, 06:13 PM   #31
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The pig in this thread is not the same thing as the Boss 302. I have to agree that most of these gigantic retro muscle boats are ridiculous and appeal to primarily boomers. The Boss 302 is well done but Ford makes a pile of varieties that are less acceptable and more on the piggish side. I had a lime green Z28 with black racing stripes last week on a work trip, talk about some serious hee-haw factor. They should have given me a six pack of 'murican tall boys (bedwetters) to go with it at the rental counter.
FWIW, most of those lesser pigs would out handle your STi pretty easily.

I happen to like the muscle car feel. I like the feeling of driving around something substantial. Not everyone enjoys the experience of piloting a Coke can around.
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Old 06-29-2013, 08:50 PM   #32
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I agree GM needs a Hot hatch in the U.S. The Cobalt wasn't too bad but I agree with you on bringing the Euros over here. Muscle cars can be cool but for some reason I'm not crazy about the Camaro and the new body Charger is ugly, IMO, from the '06-'10's. The Mustang is pretty sweet for what you get and the Boss is a great all around performer.
GM's attempt would be the sonic, which is pretty good from what I hear but not every one looking to buy a hot hatch is 17 with a low budget.

Even the ford fiesta looks nicer.

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Old 06-30-2013, 11:00 PM   #33
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FWIW, most of those lesser pigs would out handle your STi pretty easily.
Not mine in particular, but I understand your point. They're still lesser pigs. If I were to buy a pig, I'd get one of the insanely high HP varieties for a rip-roaring tire-smoking good time.

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I happen to like the muscle car feel. I like the feeling of driving around something substantial. Not everyone enjoys the experience of piloting a Coke can around.
To each their own. The fact that it has to be described as piloting when it comes to driving Detroit iron makes me I on the other hand prefer to drive a vehicle that doesn't have gun slits for windows and make my head look tiny.

Substantial = road hugging weight?

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Old 07-01-2013, 08:37 AM   #34
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woody, I am starting to think you are young and have never actually driven a real V8. I can appreciate all kinds of cars, (well except EV, but that is neither here or there) and until you have felt the rush of a V8 screaming at 7k rpm down a lonely night road, you have not lived. There is something sublimely beautiful about the feel of a well built muscle car.

I dislike most of the modern day interpretations because they took was was good and cheapened it baseless marketing to squeeze more money out of the boomers. However, of all the muscle cars, I think the Mustang still has a strong connection to its original DNA. I know they slop out special editions every other day, but guess what, Ford has always done that.

I promise you that having recently driven a 2013 Boss 302, there is absolutely NOTHING lacking in that car. It checks all the goosebump buttons. The sights and sounds and feelings of driving that car are a buffet for the senses. It takes me back to my V8 days and all the bracket racing I use to do.

For now I enjoy my Datsun, as it is a simpler machine than most new cars, but just as crude. Lots of carbs, lots of timing, and a 4 speed.

What more do you need!

the truly funny thing is that most of those 60's muscle cars were lighter than the STI....

Like this 'boat' was a 66 mercury cyclone GT , weighed 3372 lbs.



2013 STI 3417 lbs

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Old 07-01-2013, 01:43 PM   #35
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:39 PM   #36
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Ugh. The Firebird/Trans-Am kit at least made sense, given that it was always the Camarobird.

The GTO/Le Mans was an A-body...completely different car, completely different audience.

That being said, I do recall reading a few months back that there were grumbles of a Chevelle revival. What that will bring, who knows. Given the sheer size of the new Camaro, the Chevelle could end up being huge. If GM wants to keep with "heritage" vehicles, bring out a small practical hatchback vehicle to compete with the BRZ/FR-S and call it a Nova.
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The Le Mans and Tempest were sexy cars. There's nothing cooler than vertically stacked headlights.


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Old 07-01-2013, 08:42 PM   #38
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the truly funny thing is that most of those 60's muscle cars were lighter than the STI....

Like this 'boat' was a 66 mercury cyclone GT , weighed 3372 lbs.



2013 STI 3417 lbs
Give it a chassis that doesn't flex like a wet noodle and it'll weigh 3800+...you know that too Scrappy.
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:18 PM   #39
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Well the camaro and mustang were good enough to race trans am and be wildy fast.

The old chassis were also lighter because they had nothing in them. NO air bags. No electrical nonsense, NO abs, no fancy seats, no crumple zones, etc. There is not much there to add weight, plus they were were really not that big..
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Which is even further why I can't understand the comparison between a muscle car from the 60s/70s and modern vehicle with gubbermint-mandated safety devices, among other "features".
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:44 PM   #41
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the truly funny thing is that most of those 60's muscle cars were lighter than the STI....

Like this 'boat' was a 66 mercury cyclone GT , weighed 3372 lbs.



2013 STI 3417 lbs
Can't really compare like that though.

Back then an economy car weighed <2000lbs. 3372lb was very porky those days.

Economy cars weight ~2800lbs these days and the muscle cars ~3900lbs.
So, I would say very comparable.

And people weren't so damn big...

But definitely V8s is a totally different kind of fun. My modern muscle car of choice would be the Boss or the Challenger SRT-8. Challenger, the best looking in my opinion.
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Old 07-03-2013, 03:53 AM   #42
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Well the camaro and mustang were good enough to race trans am and be wildy fast.

The old chassis were also lighter because they had nothing in them. NO air bags. No electrical nonsense, NO abs, no fancy seats, no crumple zones, etc. There is not much there to add weight, plus they were were really not that big..

yeah....no doubt.

Ive owned several pony and muscle cars over the years and ive modded every car ive ever owned...and a well done classic muscle/pony car is something that most of these n000bs wont ever get the chance to drive much less drive in anger.
so they really don't have any reference point to argue against

they just THINK that the older cars sucked......and many of them would suck the headlights right outta an sti and keep on going

its too bad that the kids today don't really know what the hell they are talking about when they argue these points
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I would not group all my NASIOC'ers into the catagory of all kids...but I know there are those who still think you cannot make real HP form a carburetor. I have to laugh..



No fuel injected engine in recent memory ever sounded or looked this good!
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I would not group all my NASIOC'ers into the catagory of all kids...but I know there are those who still think you cannot make real HP form a carburetor. I have to laugh..

[I MG]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8438/8003512920_5db44fe55a_c.jpg[/IMG]

No fuel injected engine in recent memory ever sounded or looked this good!
I wouldn't say "NO" fuel injected engine, but yeah...carbs are cool too.
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But yeah, old cars with the proper set up are a blast to drive.
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I would not group all my NASIOC'ers into the catagory of all kids...but I know there are those who still think you cannot make real HP form a carburetor. I have to laugh..



No fuel injected engine in recent memory ever sounded or looked this good!

i know a few sb sb chevys and frauds that sound pretty good all wound up tight....and a few bb 440's and 454's that run carbs big enough to put yer fist down the secondaries that sound good at 800ft-lbs

and there ARE a few straight six's...carb'd and injected that just sing when they are on cam

and my '85 4a-ge trueno with the full trd kit with the dual side drafts sounded pretty good at 8500rpms with a straight pipe....from 100 yards

i did up a 225 slant 6, .090" over, in a '69 dart that i had an Isky cam custom ground for...had a 650 holley on it...and the head done and on and on and on...did a 3-1/3-1 header with a cross over and duals with cherry bombs out the back....that motor sounded wicked all wound up..and i had cutouts on it too....nobody could figure out what the hell it was i had in that car...i kept the hood chained and padlocked and it was too low to really look under very well
it was fast as hell, too....real easy to drift.....and these kiddies think some japan d000d invented drifting there was usa d000ds driftin long before any japan d000d did

i gotta admit that my wrx with the stromung exhaust sounds pretty damned good but it just isnt quite....mmmm....well, not enough cylinders i guess...but i DO drive with the windows down and enjoy rev matching my down shifts....and ive been tempted to play with the tune to make it pop a lil on the over run...but....meh

i lived in daytona beach for a long time and there was a d0000d who lived there who had a blue 365 gtb with 6 twin throat 40mm solex's...i usta see him out in it pretty often and i chatted him up and got a couple rides....gawd almighty that damned car sounded better than anything ive ever heard before or since....and these f00-f00 kiddie boiz think their ****ing soobarus sound 'sexy'

just goes to show you how little the average kiddie boi knows about cars or sex

there ARE a few new(er) cars that still make me smile.....a buddy has a new Boss 302 with the gt500 exhaust, that really tightens my levis
but there isnt quite the tingling in the gut that there usta be when ya heard an all murdered out bb chevelle or road runner or trans am roll past rumblin and grumblin and just waiting to come up on the cam and roar
but i digress....some of the baddest ass cars have come and gone and wont be coming back
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Scrappy, is that your Z's engine bay?

I will follow you, to the grave. :swoon:
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Yup, thats my baby... and here you thought I was just another pretty face

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Holy hell Scrappy, that is damn impressive. Way prettier than your face.
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The ugly ones have the best taste in cars

Very nice.
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