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Old 05-02-2013, 10:13 AM   #26
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Please do! Then post a reveiw after 6 months of owning it.
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:16 PM   #27
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Enjoy your midlife crisis car, you should have just gotten a Miata.
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but seriously.
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:18 PM   #28
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:13 AM   #29
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Old 05-03-2013, 05:03 PM   #30
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:16 PM   #31
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Hey everyone. Two months later, and would like to offer my initial thoughts on the car switch.

For background, I let go of a 2006 STI with 90k miles for a 2010 Mini JCW Convertible with 27k miles.

I'd like to keep my thoughts in the frame of reference of bone stock cars, which is pretty much how I had my STI and still have the Mini. Actually, the STI had a kartboy short-shifter, but that's it.

Looks:
STI certainly looks more aggressive, stands out in a crowd with the dual spoilers. Mini looks much more reserved, and doesn't stand out so much. The STI was Aspen white, Mini is Chili Red. The red does give some visual pop. However, the Mini is near invisible to cops, street racers, and the like.
Winner: Mini

Space:
Not really a competition here. STI is a 4 door sedan with a proper trunk, Mini loses a lot in convertible form. Front seat space is comparable if not a bit more comfy in the Mini, but rear seats and trunk are hands down to STI. Carrying stuff isn't a big deal to me, so this was a moot point. Still...
Winner: STI

Interior:
My Mini came spec'ed with full leather, heated seats, all the goodies. Both cars have auto-climate control. The Mini has some odd design choices, such as the dinner-plate speedo and a curiously placed volume knob. The STI is a standard double-din where the Mini is clearly more integrated. However, overall quality, comfort, ergonomics, gadgets, go to...
Winner: Mini

Undesirable noises:
Let's face it, Subaru's have lots of little rattles and strange noises, and the Mini convertible has some audible creaks as well. My STI had a funny rattle on partial throttle going uphill, but I could never trace the source. The Mini I sometimes wish didn't creak so much when I accidentally hit a pothole, where the STI was largely quiet.
Winner: Draw

Desirable noises:
Keep in mind here we are talking stock parts. No aftermarket exhausts, intakes, BOVs, etc and so forth. In stock form, the Mini sounds so much better than the STI did. The STI exhaust was always a bit quiet, wasn't very audible in the cabin, and I always felt that such a car should be a bit more vocal when you mash the gas. The Mini JCW exhaust is awesome. Super quiet when cruising, but barks loudly when the gas gets stepped on. The car is tuned to snap/crackle/pop/burble when you lift off the gas, and it gives it so much character. For OEM sound...
Winner: Mini

Handling:
I sadly never autocrossed the STI, never had the time. So I will compare them both on spirited road driving. Again, two wildly different platforms. 1 diff vs 3, FWD vs AWD. The STI was much more stable and composed, the Mini needs some attention. In the Mini, on the gas in a turn, hitting an expansion joint or a road imperfection will cause the car to jump, and you need to be ready to catch it. The STI just kept going where you wanted being steered with one hand. However, that led it to being a bit boring, in my opinion. The Mini is a much more involved experience. The STI biased toward understeer with the all-seasons I had on it, the Mini behaves similarly with the runflats that are still on it. Both turn very nicely, rotating predictably. I have not had the Mini in snow yet, and I'd bet the STI would win there. But, for nice weather on tarmac...
Winner: Mini

Braking:
On stock pads, brake feel is by far better in the Mini. Front brakes are only .3" smaller, and stopping considerably less weight.
Winner: Mini

Speed:
The Mini gives up some ground in pure HP/torque as well as power to weight. STI had 300hp/300lbft and the mini has 208hp/207lbft. STI had a curb weight of 3,351 pounds, the convertible mini is 2,877. For the street, the Mini is much easier to play with without risking losing your license. Turbo lag is much shorter in the Mini. The STI is still quicker off the line and faster in a straight line.
Winner: STI

Street-cred:
Let's face it, more people can identify an STI than they can a JCW Mini. The racing and rally heritage of the Subaru is much more well known. However, where the STI got lots of thumbs up from drivers in modded cars or other cars in class (Evo's, etc), the Mini gets it from people all over. People randomly walking by as I'm washing the car complement the Mini, where the STI received no such feedback. I haven't quite picked out why that is yet. The JCW badge is really one of the only ways to reliably pick out that the Mini isn't your standard Mini, where the STI was much easier to pick out from a distance. Both cars get complements, but from very different groups of people.
Winner:
Draw

So that brings my tally to 5 for the mini, 2 for the STI, and two draws. I think that accurately describes my feelings as well, where I am much happier with the Mini. If I missed a crucial area for comparison, let me know.

Cue the "who are you again" and "we dont care" comments in 3..2..1...
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:25 PM   #32
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Get rid of the mini cooper and get a e46 m3 if you are going the German route.

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Old 07-08-2013, 01:36 PM   #33
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I used to have a JCW, stage 3 hardtop. Loved that car. I have an 06 STI now (my dream car). As much as I love the STI, and I hate to say this, I think I liked the Mini better. Stupid ****ing 18 wheeler ((

I had red leather seats, air blew cold, and fully loaded, didn't even need to pull the key out of my pocket to open the door, start the car or open the hatch. Free XM radio the entire time I had the car. I will never find another car like it.
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:38 PM   #34
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Oh and still got 35-40mpg with close over 250hp, only weighting 2300lbs
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:45 PM   #35
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Get rid of the mini cooper and get a e46 m3 if you are going the German route.
I think your comment about growing a vag was much funnier, though the constructive comment you changed it to is much nicer.
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:51 PM   #36
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Oh and still got 35-40mpg with close over 250hp, only weighting 2300lbs
Sounds like an r53 if you were that light?
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:51 PM   #37
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Youll be back, so goodbye for now. lol
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Old 07-08-2013, 02:04 PM   #38
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Sounds like an r53 if you were that light?
Nope R56S

err, might have been 3400~ had the lighter wheels
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Old 07-08-2013, 04:21 PM   #39
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?? what is this? the sti would **** on this car! the cobaltSS turbo alone would win in all those categories except interior. so if a car doesnt lose control on a turn cuz someone was too much of a ***** to go fast enough and the mini just loses control going a little faster then it's a draw?? im so confused. it sounds like you made a review based off being butt hurt from getting neg. approval in the first place. how does it drive in the pouring rain? or other bad conditions?

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Old 07-08-2013, 04:33 PM   #40
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haha handling comment was funny. He is basically saying mini is better because it is unpredictable and makes you experience driving better. I bet he finds torque steer exciting and experiencing too.

Some people are just a car driver. They shift and push the accelerator. They won't go deeper than that.
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Old 07-08-2013, 04:44 PM   #41
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so if a car doesnt lose control on a turn cuz someone was too much of a ***** to go fast enough and the mini just loses control going a little faster then it's a draw?? im so confused. it sounds like you made a review based off being butt hurt from getting neg. approval in the first place.
Someone should have taken out some butt-hurt futures on the OP back in May.
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Old 07-08-2013, 04:47 PM   #42
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Haha. This might actually be more fun than intentionally trolling.
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Old 07-08-2013, 04:49 PM   #43
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haha handling comment was funny. He is basically saying mini is better because it is unpredictable and makes you experience driving better. I bet he finds torque steer exciting and experiencing too.

Some people are just a car driver. They shift and push the accelerator. They won't go deeper than that.
Yeah, I saw that too. I don't know how much stock I'd put into someone who said the wrong-wheel-drive car handles better because it doesn't handle as well. Lol.

Maybe for the ultimate fun, they should weld their shocks and put on some Prius tires.

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Old 07-08-2013, 05:56 PM   #44
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It was nice of you to leave out the two words between "who" and "are".
So, uhh, who the **** are you?
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:14 PM   #45
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Yeah, I saw that too. I don't know how much stock I'd put into someone who said the wrong-wheel-drive car handles better because it doesn't handle as well. Lol.

Maybe for the ultimate fun, they should weld their shocks and put on some Prius tires.

I didn't read that. I read "the better handling of the WRX made it more boring". He never said the Mini handled "better". He just liked the way it handles,...better.....
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Old 07-08-2013, 07:32 PM   #46
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handles better because it doesn't handle as well. Lol.
Thats how I read it as well. Lol. Doesnt make sense to me, but I dont have a mini so...

Enjoy your car OP. And belated congrats to you.



Side Note: I appreciate the "goodbye" thread. Id rather the forum feel more like a community then just a mob.
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:57 PM   #47
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I really don't want to start a war but I've driven a Cooper S and a JCW and unless you have, you have no idea what you're talking about.

They are two of the most tail-happy FWD cars you can ever drive. Unbelievable feel, communicative steering, great brakes and this is stock, not modified. With the JCW comes a torque biasing FD which really helps it through the corners: no one wheel peel.

The only other FWD car I've found as rewarding to drive was my fully swapped 16v 1984 GTI with suspension work donated to it from a 16v Scirocco. This car was a whopping 140 hp but right around 1900 lbs. With the Coopers at 2200 or so, it's a similar feel. There's just something about not having that extra weight to contend with.

Before you all jump down my throat: my current car is an 03 WRX wagon, stage two with mild suspension work done to it (20mm RSB, Swift/GR2, Sexy rear end kit, group N mounts for motor and suspension as well as brake mods) and when the road gets tight and twisty, I do miss my GTi. Once you get used to a shorter wheelbase/lighter weight car regardless of the drive wheels, these cars feel a bit heavy and bloated.

I will admit though, with the swampy weather we've been having here in PA: the AC has been a nice touch in the wagon (I deleted it in the GTi). The WRX isn't bad, it's just different. Like I said earlier: unless you've driven a Cooper S or a JCW you really shouldn't judge, they're pretty damn fun cars. IIRC reliability is about the same so I'd say it's a moot point.

I did regret not buying my friends JCW hardtop. I just wasn't financially solvent at the time and the interior and size are love/hate things. They are cramped inside and the gauge layout takes alot of getting used to, I personally feel they tried too hard.

My .02$.

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Old 07-08-2013, 10:11 PM   #48
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FWD just don't make sense in a performance car. And you guys come here and tell us how your GTIs, Minis handle better than a symmetrical AWD. It's just non sense.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:22 PM   #49
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my sister had a base mini and my buddy had a 2005 mini type s. Real fun to drive especially the type s. My mechanic worked at Mini Cooper for a few years...said a lot of the parts break down and cost an arm and a leg to repair/replace. Nonetheless, it's a fun car to drive.

Have fun with the new whip OP!
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:29 PM   #50
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And I thought the sti was small. Eeek.
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