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Old 07-08-2013, 12:01 PM   #351
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:06 PM   #352
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This doesn't fit in this thread and really has no purpose for discussion but......

Taking carry-on with you when attempting to leave during an emergency would cause delays that realistically would probably mean more injuries or loss of life if everyone was to do it. Flight-attendants are surely trained to yell telling everyone to leave their stuff and go NOW and most people would obey and fall inline and jump down the slide...

I've watched every episode of "Mayday" and Realistically if I am fairly close to the nearest door and people are moving along - the emergency isn't really serious for ME, so I would at least attempt to take my full-sized carryon. This would be done knowing that it would be WEEKS or months before I would ever see the contents of that bag again, even if it was unharmed (I assume the NTSC, airline legal department, police/fire and other beaurocrats have their hand into confirming the actual owner of the bags, if the contents had anything to do with the crash and so on). But knowing what I know about scenarios like the A340 in Toronto in 2007 and in San Fran this weekend and so on - if there is an emergency (smoke in the cabin, someone reports a fire, if we ditch on water,... you bet your sorry ass I am climbing over anything and everything and dragging my loved-ones along with me. To hell with order and waiting my turn. Push and make people react and get out in the most efficent way possible. Dying ain't fun. rant=over.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:06 PM   #353
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In fact, I think I would have enough time to enter and open the plane's storage area to find my checked luggage and pull that out.


Other question, what is Asiana's liability to the passengers for things like: Hospital costs, lost items, connections, etc...
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:08 PM   #354
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you bet your sorry ass I am climbing over anything and everything and dragging my loved-ones along with me. To hell with order and waiting my turn. Push and make people react and get out in the most efficent way possible. Dying ain't fun. rant=over.
Yes, causing more panic is a sure fire way to make things efficient.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:15 PM   #355
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:16 PM   #356
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In fact, I think I would have enough time to enter and open the plane's storage area to find my checked luggage and pull that out.

Other question, what is Asiana's liability to the passengers for things like: Hospital costs, lost items, connections, etc...
That's the tricky thing. I know during my Avn management courses, there's a big difference between domestic and international flights. However I have since data dumped that info. I do remember there's a set limit when going to international destinations. Not sure about international coming to the US
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:18 PM   #357
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Yes, causing more panic is a sure fire way to make things efficient.
There's a way to cause additional panic to people who have just crash landed?
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:19 PM   #358
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WAT? do you even fly? Picking up your backpack and standing up is basically one motion.

20-40 seconds longer? You are assuming that there is a clear path?

My deplane skills are serious business, I can exit in the time it takes most people to take off their seatbelts and stand up.
Sure, assuming that all 200+ people are completely lucid and there is no damage to the passenger cabin that would impede location/retrieval of their carry-ons or their exit from the plane. I don't think this is a safe assumption in a plane crash.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:34 PM   #359
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Well, if I were in a plane crash, I would survive because I would ask for lots of blankets and sit in the back and use the blankets as an improvised airbag to muffle the blow on impact and reduce the chances of getting knocked out and succumbing to smoke inhalation/asphyxiation. Then, I would remove my clothes which are likely covered in jetfuel and will probably be burned off anyways, and begin to make my way to the exit. Because I have planned my entire life for this event and have lived every day for this exact situation as it has presented itself to me today, I have maintained at or below a body fat of 13% which will allow me to just barely squeeze through the opening of the breach located about seat 27F and then I would grab my rope that I bring with me on every flight to string a guide line to the exterior of the opening taking special note of any fuel rem...
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:39 PM   #361
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more than the few seconds that it will take for you to grab a backpack (the demerits of which have already been hashed out) its that the backpack takes up extra room and makes easement a lot more difficult.

The chances of you getting stuck with a backpack are much higher than if you had your hands free and nothing on your back.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:50 PM   #362
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Did you drop your sunglasses?
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:54 PM   #363
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more than the few seconds that it will take for you to grab a backpack (the demerits of which have already been hashed out) its that the backpack takes up extra room and makes easement a lot more difficult.

The chances of you getting stuck with a backpack are much higher than if you had your hands free and nothing on your back.
If someone in front of me reaches into the storage bin during a ground evacuation, they're going down...hard.

Ain't nobody got time for that.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:57 PM   #364
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If someone in front of me reaches into the storage bin during a ground evacuation, they're going down...hard.

Ain't nobody got time for that.
paranoia or whatever you may but this is why I'm super anal about having all my docs on my person at all time.

There should be nothing vital I need that requires me carrying / grabbing anything.
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:02 PM   #365
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43 hours on that specific airplane. I would assume that doesn't include time in the simulator.

These planes cost thousands upon thousands upon thousands of dollars an hour to operate. Your first landing in a specific airplane at an airline will probably have paying passengers on board. They bridge the gap between simulator training and "flying the line" by pairing you with an instructor for any number of hours. Once they're happy with the way you fly the airplane they sign you off and you're released into the general population.

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Old 07-08-2013, 01:04 PM   #366
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actually no! it was 2008

But I did have to stomp out a ****ing runway for the repairs to be flown in.



10 "souls" on board - a turbo otter
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:09 PM   #367
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This doesn't fit in this thread and really has no purpose for discussion but......

Taking carry-on with you when attempting to leave during an emergency would cause delays that realistically would probably mean more injuries or loss of life if everyone was to do it. Flight-attendants are surely trained to yell telling everyone to leave their stuff and go NOW and most people would obey and fall inline and jump down the slide...

I've watched every episode of "Mayday" and Realistically if I am fairly close to the nearest door and people are moving along - the emergency isn't really serious for ME, so I would at least attempt to take my full-sized carryon. This would be done knowing that it would be WEEKS or months before I would ever see the contents of that bag again, even if it was unharmed (I assume the NTSC, airline legal department, police/fire and other beaurocrats have their hand into confirming the actual owner of the bags, if the contents had anything to do with the crash and so on). But knowing what I know about scenarios like the A340 in Toronto in 2007 and in San Fran this weekend and so on - if there is an emergency (smoke in the cabin, someone reports a fire, if we ditch on water,... you bet your sorry ass I am climbing over anything and everything and dragging my loved-ones along with me. To hell with order and waiting my turn. Push and make people react and get out in the most efficent way possible. Dying ain't fun. rant=over.
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:13 PM   #368
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actually no! it was 2008

But I did have to stomp out a ****ing runway for the repairs to be flown in.


10 "souls" on board - a turbo otter
what happened?
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:13 PM   #369
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43 hours on that specific airplane. I would assume that doesn't include time in the simulator.

These planes cost thousands upon thousands upon thousands of dollars an hour to operate. Your first landing in a specific airplane at an airline will probably have paying passengers on board. They bridge the gap between simulator training and "flying the line" by pairing you with an instructor for any number of hours. Once they're happy with the way you fly the airplane they sign you off and you're released into the general population.
FWIW, the PF had transitioned from the 744 previously and had 10k hrs under his belt. It appears they may have made a mistake here, but I doubt the root cause of that was inexperience.

Then again, people in this country had no problem hopping on a regional jet with a FO who had as few as 250 hours under his belt, before the 1500 hr ATP mandate was passed.
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:17 PM   #370
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what happened?
crashed on the upper right glacier at 8K feet (we were climbing point A). Rear ski went through the back of the plane shearing the controls...

http://goo.gl/maps/n8e6l

pretty much the middle of nowhere. but it was worth it.

the pilot was yelling "**** **** **** ****" over the headset, and all I was thinking was "man this story is going to be awesome"
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:25 PM   #371
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paranoia or whatever you may but this is why I'm super anal about having all my docs on my person at all time.

There should be nothing vital I need that requires me carrying / grabbing anything.
One thing that people don't realize that if there's smoke in the cabin, it's not like being down wind from a camp fire, it is highly toxic and will kill you.

Cabin smoke:

Cultural differences/problems:

Don't let stupid people kill you.
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:26 PM   #372
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didn't one of those go down in Alaska last night?
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:31 PM   #373
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didn't one of those go down in Alaska last night?
In Alaska, Turbo Beaver goes down on you.
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:34 PM   #374
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didn't one of those go down in Alaska last night?
yep - killed all 10

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An air taxi crashed at the Soldotna Airport on Sunday morning, killing all 10 people onboard in the worst aviation accident in Alaska in more than a decade.

The de Havilland DHC-3 Otter airplane crashed at 11:20 a.m. at the Soldotna Airport, according to the Alaska State Troopers and Soldotna Police Department.

The plane was operated by Rediske Air, according to the Federal Aviation Administration.

The National Transportation Safety Board described the flight as an air taxi, but on Sunday evening was still trying to confirm who was onboard and where they were going.

The NTSB's Clint Johnson said an initial report from someone at the small airport indicated the plane was taking off.

The person saw the plane taxiing out for takeoff but didn't see any actual takeoff attempt.

"The next thing they knew is they saw it on fire, unfortunately, after the accident," Johnson said. The investigation is still in early stages and nothing is confirmed about what went wrong, he said.

The Soldotna Airport is a municipal airstrip with a single paved 5,000-foot long runway adjacent to the Kenai River. The airport is busy in the summer months with fishing, hunting and sight-seeing flights that take off from the Kenai Peninsula town.

Fire crews got the call for help at 11:24 a.m. and were the first to get to the burning plane, said Capt. Lesley Quelland of Central Emergency Services, which handles fire and medic calls from Cooper Landing to Clam Gulch.

"We saw the plume immediately when we left the station," Quelland said Sunday evening. It was a big, black cloud of smoke visible from the station, about three driving miles from the airport, she said. Campers at the nearby Klondike RV Park also saw smoke, owner Al Belknap said.

When fire crews got to the airport about 11:30 a.m., "the aircraft was crashed off the side of the runway and it was fully involved in flames," she said.

It took crews about 10 minutes to put out the fire and look for survivors. There were none, and no one made it out. Everyone died inside the plane, she said.

Quelland said she knows of no eyewitnesses to the crash.

Names of the crash victims have not yet been released, pending positive identification of their bodies by the state medical examiner and notification of their next-of-kin, said the Soldotna Police Department.

The pilot was Walter Rediske, said Andrew Harcombe, who identified himself as a spokesman for Rediske Air. Public records list Rediske's age as 42.

Rediske Air is a family-owned business on the Kenai Peninsula that offers air charter services, Harcombe said.

The company is registered to Lyla and Walter Rediske, with an address in Nikiski, according to the state's Division of Corporations, Business and Professional Licensing. It was formed in 1991.

Harcombe said Rediske was a "highly experienced" pilot and lifelong Alaskan.

The de Havilland DHC-3 Otter airplane had a single turbo-prop engine and was manufactured in 1958, according to FAA records.

The cause of the crash has not been determined. The weather was reported to be cloudy with a light wind at the time of the crash, troopers said.

Much of the plane burned, said Johnson, the head of the NTSB's Anchorage office.

NTSB investigator Chris Shaver was at the scene looking for witnesses and clues, Johnson said.

A national NTSB "go-team" was on its way to Alaska on Sunday night to investigate the crash because of the number of fatalities, he said. A team of at least eight people from Washington, D.C., will handle the investigation, led by accident investigator Dan Brower.

The crash is one of the deadliest in decades in a state with many fatal aviation accidents.

In 2001, a Peninsula Airways commuter plane bound for King Salmon crashed in Dillingham, killing all 10 people aboard.

In 1987, a Beechcraft 1900C Ryan Air flight crashed in Homer, killing 18 people.

The last major crash at the Soldotna airport was in 1985, when a North Pacific Air Beechcraft 65-A80 crashed, killing nine.

Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2013/07/07/296686...#storylink=cpy
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