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Old 07-19-2013, 08:11 AM   #51
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I was intending to buy a Forester, but the XV just feels better to me. If I had kids the Forester would appeal more to me.
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Old 07-19-2013, 08:35 AM   #52
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I guess Consumer Reports has the same questions regarding the XV as I do:

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The Crosstrek small quasi-SUV is mechanically the same as the Impreza hatchback, but with a raised ride height, which gives it enough altitude to slosh through most deeply rutted roads. It may appeal to those living at the end of a dirt road that don't want anything big and bulky. The cabin is rather noisy, the ride is stiff, and the little 148-hp, 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine has to work hard to maintain highway speed, but fuel economy is a gratifying 26 mpg. In the end the regular Impreza hatch, which is quieter, quicker, cheaper, and rides better, makes more sense. Based on the Impreza, reliability is likely to be above average. A hybrid version will go on sale this Fall.

Why buy one:
  • It's roomier than alternatives like the Nissan Juke or Mini Countryman
  • Even well equipped, it costs less than most small SUVs
  • It easily copes with moonscape country lanes and light off-roading
  • It gets better fuel economy than most alternatives
  • User-friendly cabin with simple controls and generous visibility
  • Some buyers will be drawn by the out-there styling and neat colors
Why not buy one:
  • The cabin is very noisy
  • Ride and steering aren't as good as its Impreza donor
  • Most small SUVs have lots more cargo space
  • It lacks the low-range gearing and underbody ruggedness of a true off-roader
  • Funky looks have a way of getting old fast
  • Most buyers will do better with an Impreza Sport for $2000 less

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Cosmetically, I like the XV just fine. But functionally, if I was in the market for a small SUV (which I'm not), I'd gravitate toward the Forester, or the Mazda CX-5. Personally, I prefer a lower car, for cosmetic and performance reasons.
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Old 07-19-2013, 08:54 AM   #53
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I find the opposite- my XV is vastly queter than the Impreza and imo rides much better.
Its all subjective I guess. But my XV even feels faster off the line.
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Old 07-19-2013, 08:55 AM   #54
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You should test drive one!
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Old 07-19-2013, 09:32 AM   #55
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You should test drive one!
Agreed. I've never been in an XV. I can only base my opinions on what I've read.
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Old 07-19-2013, 09:53 AM   #56
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Thats what I based my opinion on. Hell I SCOFFED AT THE IDEA OF THE XV.
Then I bought one.
They may not suit everyone, but I'll be holding onto this car for many years.
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Old 07-19-2013, 10:08 AM   #57
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^^ I'm very glad that you're happy with your new car.
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Old 07-19-2013, 10:12 AM   #58
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Thanks! Me too.
With all the projects I have going, not having that stress is awesome!
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Old 07-19-2013, 05:36 PM   #59
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Now- about that neo-2.5RS idea, THATS a good one imo. It doesnt have to run on premium and have a turbo to be a fun DD. The Forester 2.5fb and the xv's gearing would mae the Impreza a very fun and probably very frugal car to drive.
The power of the 2.0 is actually ok for me. I WOULD much prefer the 2.5, and dont think economy would take too bad a hit, but I have a M/C for going fast and getting tickets, I dont need a car to do that.
I need four driven wheels and a manual trans capable of safely traversing crappy roads and occasional non-roads. So for me, the smallest engine still gets the job done. I just really wish that we got the 6mt...
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Old 07-20-2013, 10:45 AM   #60
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What about all that speak of an electric turbocharger with a regenerative motor on the new WRX?
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Old 07-21-2013, 10:21 PM   #61
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What about all that speak of an electric turbocharger with a regenerative motor on the new WRX?
That is probably right up there with the alleged AWD-diesel-hybrid Mitsubishi Evo and Bigfoot
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Old 07-22-2013, 12:44 PM   #62
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Well, my local dealers seem pretty willing to work the price on a '13 Impreza hatch, so I wonder whether or not it's worth waiting for the MY14 announcement.
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Old 07-22-2013, 07:23 PM   #63
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That is probably right up there with the alleged AWD-diesel-hybrid Mitsubishi Evo and Bigfoot
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/05/03/n...-turbocharger/

I know this really means nothing, but autoblog doesn't tend to have far fetched stories.

Guess we'll see
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Old 07-23-2013, 09:09 PM   #64
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If anyone else is interested, my local dealer just emailed me that '14 Impreza and XV will be announced sometime late August with dealer deliveries scheduled for late September.
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Old 08-10-2013, 05:25 PM   #65
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I would be surprised if they did nothing for the 2014 model considering the stiff competition.
I would like to see more sound insulation (it's the noisiest compact I test drove)
A more powerful engine option
Lumbar controls in the seat
Less sensitive gas pedal-with my big foot it might be difficult to keep the low end speed in control
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Old 08-10-2013, 06:54 PM   #66
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Interesting. I bought the Sport in June of last year cause I couldn't wait 9 months for the XV. I'm glad I did. The XV looks cool but I think it really needs more power to be more than just a poser. The new 2.5 engine would be perfect for it but the hybrid is very interesting and I might just upgrade next year to that.
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Old 03-02-2014, 09:52 PM   #67
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I am thinking about replacing my 99 Accord 4-cylinder 5-sp with 2014 Impreza also 5-sp & base model.

Are there any flaws with this generation of Imprezas?
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Old 03-02-2014, 10:17 PM   #68
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I am thinking about replacing my 99 Accord 4-cylinder 5-sp with 2014 Impreza also 5-sp & base model.

Are there any flaws with this generation of Imprezas?
Hello,

Well depends. A "few" have reported "major" oil consumption. Mine burns about 1 quart or less per 7,500 miles. Only once has the oil light came on before an oil change interval. The FB25 engine found in the outback and forester have oil drinkers as well but the 2014 models have less reported. Although, they were just released. I haven't heard much on the 2014 models but the 12 and 13 impreza/crosstrek have had few "major" burners. When I say "major" i mean anything like 1 quart for every 2500 miles. Subaru only consider burning 1 quart in 1000 miles major, and that is ridiculous. Transmission and drivetrain have no know major concerns.

Now onto minor "flaws". Seats squeaks, not sure if they have fixed this, there is a TSB but not sure if it is applied to new models. It sounds like a newly wed on an old motel mattress. I am 145 lbs and it still bugs me. There are rattles that will develop over time. Oh, one big minor flaw is the MPG. It's not what you are going to expect. It's low, way lower. You can get the MPG on the sticker but you are going to have to work for it. You could even get better if you drive slower. But this isn't going to be like your accord where you could drive 70 mph and get the sticker MPG. Real world MPG is going to take a hit. Tires suck, not bad for getting MPG but sucks at everything a Subaru should be. Its terrible in the dry, wet, cold, snow, and ice. I mean you expect mediocre performance from an all-season tire but it performs way less than that. Easy fix, but expensive. I recommend driving them until next winter than ditch them or get another set of wheel.

Other than that. It's a really nice car. I love my hatch. Oh, not sure if they have changed this or not, but the base has no cruise control. Sadly, I drive a lot of freeway and that was a deal breaker. Had to move up to premium. Sport premium.
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Old 03-03-2014, 08:45 AM   #69
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Thank you for all the great info!

We also own 07 Tribeca so I am aware of MPG numbers for Subaru AWD. Other than the MPG numbers I have no major complains with our Tribeca.

According to this source the combined MPG is 28, is that close to real life?

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....34246&id=34601

I read the manual and I was surprised to read this:

"If the oil consumption rate seems abnormally high after the break-in period, for example more than 1 quart per 1,200 miles or 1 liter per 2,000 kilometers, contact your SUBARU dealer."

I never had any oil consumption with the few cars I owned. Why Impreza burns so much oil?

I am glad to see that transmission and drivetrain have no know major concerns.

Does the seat squeak develop over time or it is something I can detect during the 1st test drive?

Yeah, base has no cruise control!
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:34 AM   #70
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2012 Impreza driver here.

Re. fuel economy: I've been averaging 28 mpg on my winter tires, and I was getting 29-30 on the stock tires. About half of my mileage is on highways at 70+ mph, and half is rush hour commuting at up to 40 mph.

Re. tires: I don't think the stock tires are too bad in terms of dry and wet performance. I haven't used them much in the snow, so I can't offer an opinion on that. They're deafeningly loud, though, especially as they age.

Re. oil: I'm burning about 1 quart/3000 miles. Some people aren't burning any. Some people are burning way quite a bit more. Subaru won't do anything unless it hits 1 quart/1200 miles. From what I've seen, very people are at that point.

It's frustrating to have a new-ish car that's burning oil, but really it's just a very minor nuisance. I just keep a couple quarts in the trunk, and pour one in when the low oil light comes on.
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According to this source the combined MPG is 28, is that close to real life?

I never had any oil consumption with the few cars I owned. Why Impreza burns so much oil?
I think that 28 MPG is a reasonable fuel economy to expect. That's what I get in the winter time; I average closer to 32 MPG in the summer, but I drive 75% highway miles, so your results may be different.

You should note that not all Imprezas consume oil. Mine uses almost none between oil changes. You will read of many people complaining of this issue on this forum, but that shouldn't lead you to believe that all or even most Imprezas consume significant amounts of oil. My guess is that many people who have this issue do Internet research about the problem, and then they land on this forum to discuss it and ask questions. I'm confident that many Impreza owners who are not on this forum are having no oil consumption concerns.

I will say that how you break the engine in during the first 1000 miles **might** improve your chances (but not eliminate them altogether) of avoiding the oil consumption issue. We can discuss this further if you decide to buy the Impreza.

Good luck!
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Old 03-03-2014, 10:11 AM   #72
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Does the seat squeak develop over time or it is something I can detect during the 1st test drive?
My seat squeak developed over the first few weeks of ownership. It was not there when I first purchased it.

If it matters any I drive an early-production 2013. Later ones coming off of the factory floor might have had the issue resolved.
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Old 03-03-2014, 10:31 AM   #73
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Many complaints about oil consumption come from people who are upset that they have to add any oil or check their oil level at all. If this is you, consider another brand.

My 2012 burns 1qt in 3500 miles at its worst. Oil analyses have been excellent and I have no concerns about the engine's longevity.

Subaru revised the piston rings last year, so the risk of significant consumption in new Impreza should be lower.

With mostly highway driving, my tank averages regularly exceed the 34MPG EPA rating, even on winter tires.
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Old 03-03-2014, 10:41 AM   #74
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I do most of the maintenance and repairs myself so I have no problem checking oil levels.

It is just a surprise to see that oil consumption is normal. I am not an expert but I have heard of oil consumptions associated with aging, abused cars.

Is there any other manufacturers who state in the car's user manual that 1qt per 1200 miles is OK?

Is this just a cost saving during the engine manufacturing process (higher tolerances) or related to something else?
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Is there any other manufacturers who state in the car's user manual that 1qt per 1200 miles is OK?
Yes, in fact, I believe this has become something of an industry standard that has occurred at the same time auto manufacturers have switched to the thin 5W20 and 0W20 oils as a way of incrementally improving fuel economy (our Imprezas use 0W20).

I guess it's harder to build an engine that won't let 0W20 oil past the rings. Or perhaps it's easier to break in an engine in a way that will allow the oil to slip past the rings after break in. I don't know. It's a complex problem that is likely caused by many variables.

Regardless, I'd not let this stop you from buying the Impreza, if you like the car. The AWD system is amazing, as you already know from your Tribeca. It handles well and rides nicely. You do your own maintenance, which suggests that you're in tune with the needs of a car, so you'll do a good job of breaking it in correctly. You're buying a 2014, so any improvements in ring design will already be incorporated into your car. Therefore, I wouldn't expect your car to have oil consumption issues.

But there are no guarantees, and that's true regardless of what brand you buy.
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