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Old 07-23-2013, 12:57 AM   #51
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Only rotational speed is varied, not torque.
The 5MT cars have 3 plain old standard differentials (with a viscous coupling limited slip added on the center diff). There's a 50/50 torque split front to rear when all four wheels have the same traction just the same as there is 50/50 side to side on either axle (or on the driven axle in any FWD or RWD car).

Where you might be getting mixed up is how the center LSD works. In a viscous coupling, the mechanism centers rotational speed differences, and that's what causes it to lock up. Torsen differentials sense and lock up with torque differences, and of course the DCCD in the STi has electronically controlled locking.

So, the "active traction distribution" in the 5MT is controlled by rotational speed variance, but the torque split in normal conditions is indeed 50/50.

EDIT: And to stay on topic: I agree that it's unfortunate that it's getting harder to find MT cars (both with respect to dealer stocks an models where an MT is even offered). I disagree that there's no point in an MT on a simple commuter car. Plenty of advantages even when there's not much power or a sport tuned suspension!
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Old 07-23-2013, 02:01 AM   #52
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The 5MT cars have 3 plain old standard differentials (with a viscous coupling limited slip added on the center diff). There's a 50/50 torque split front to rear when all four wheels have the same traction just the same as there is 50/50 side to side on either axle (or on the driven axle in any FWD or RWD car).

Where you might be getting mixed up is how the center LSD works. In a viscous coupling, the mechanism centers rotational speed differences, and that's what causes it to lock up. Torsen differentials sense and lock up with torque differences, and of course the DCCD in the STi has electronically controlled locking.

So, the "active traction distribution" in the 5MT is controlled by rotational speed variance, but the torque split in normal conditions is indeed 50/50.

EDIT: And to stay on topic: I agree that it's unfortunate that it's getting harder to find MT cars (both with respect to dealer stocks an models where an MT is even offered). I disagree that there's no point in an MT on a simple commuter car. Plenty of advantages even when there's not much power or a sport tuned suspension!
There is no confusion.
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Old 07-23-2013, 02:05 AM   #53
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It's just a 2.0i, just get the cvt, it's a better match for the car anyway. It's only a commuter car. The CVT gets better fuel mileage.
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This. No point on a 5psd in a non performance commuter/Econ car.
Why should that make any difference? Maybe some people just prefer the 5 speed. Just because the car isn't very powerful doesn't mean that people wouldn't want to shift themselves.

When I was in high school my dad had an 87 Civic wagon with the 5 speed stick. Gutless and slow but I loved driving that car because the manual transmission made it fun. My car at the time was a 65 Ford Fairlane with the 289 V8 and a 3 speed automatic. Tons of power but the Civic was more fun to drive.
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Old 07-23-2013, 02:32 AM   #54
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The first GD STi had the non DCCD 6 speed. Go **** yourself.
Maybe you should have read the post I quoted, dumb ****.
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Old 07-23-2013, 03:07 AM   #55
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Maybe you should have read the post I quoted, dumb ****.
I did. I don't think you can see what I'm getting at though.
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Old 07-23-2013, 05:57 PM   #56
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I did. I don't think you can see what I'm getting at though.

The question was whether the newer Legacy 6spd was a version of the STI 6spd, and it isn't. My answer was based on that question.

I'm not debating Subaru built good solid 5spds in earlier STI's. I wish, as do many, that the US got all the earlier STI's and WRX's. A lot of your replies are based on what's easily available to you, yes we can get those parts but not quite as readily.
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Old 07-23-2013, 08:27 PM   #57
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Automagic because:

Left foot = brake
Right foot = gas
Either thigh = steering wheel
Left hand = coffee
Right hand = smart phone

Otherwise, having to actuate the clutch pedal and the shift lever will put one at a disadvantage over other drivers that are multi-tasking (see above).
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:51 AM   #58
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There is no confusion.
Sorry, I'd thought you were the person who posted that the 5 speeds were "a long way from a 50/50 split" since you'd remarked that the descriptions in the link were wrong in an earlier post. Looking back I see that was a different poster.
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:09 AM   #59
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The question was whether the newer Legacy 6spd was a version of the STI 6spd, and it isn't. My answer was based on that question.

I'm not debating Subaru built good solid 5spds in earlier STI's. I wish, as do many, that the US got all the earlier STI's and WRX's. A lot of your replies are based on what's easily available to you, yes we can get those parts but not quite as readily.
What I'm getting at is the 6 speed isn't just the 5 with an extra. It's the same casing as the DCCD equipped one. It has similar parts and isn't related at all to the 5. It's just as strong as the DCCD variant.
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What I'm getting at is the 6 speed isn't just the 5 with an extra. It's the same casing as the DCCD equipped one. It has similar parts and isn't related at all to the 5. It's just as strong as the DCCD variant.
You know more than me, I was repeating what I'd been told by a Subaru mechanic.
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:40 AM   #61
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You know more than me, I was repeating what I'd been told by a Subaru mechanic.
After doing a quick GIS...it appears I am mistaken. It is just a revamped 5.
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Old 07-24-2013, 09:44 AM   #62
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Since when has Manual transmissions become more expensive and harder to find! I hate automatics! No control!
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:51 PM   #63
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Since when has Manual transmissions become more expensive and harder to find! I hate automatics! No control!
At least for Subaru, the manuals are $1000 less than the auto... another reason I chose manual.
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Old 07-25-2013, 08:34 PM   #64
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i thought the same thing living in midwest. Its a bit sad. Oddly though, recently, while in new england area, i found everything on craigslist is a 5spd! fantastic! Where im from in southwest wisconsin, everything is automatic if you go to any used or even new dealers.
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Old 07-27-2013, 03:25 PM   #65
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Bought my 5-speed today! Found a good deal on a red, 2013 2.Oi Sport Premium today, and pulled the trigger. I get it Monday and am very excited. This will be my 4th Subaru and 3rd Impreza so I guess you could say I like 'em.

Thank you to everyone for your input and suggestions during my decision process.
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